Industry analyst Michael Pachter is confident Microsoft will launch their next-gen console before Sony does.
Why does he think so?
Acquisition of 5 studios. Confirmation of next gen console. I think there is enough reason here that Microsoft may be targeting to launch the next Xbox before the PS5 hits.
I'm not sure what new studios have to do with the next xbox, they just did they because they were getting killed by Sony and Nintendo's first party.
Not likely, plus it Patcher. He is wrong about 99% of things I'd doubt this is the 1% he is right.
If Pachter is right…And thats a HUGE if…Wouldn't that mean that Xbox would be giving the power back to PlayStation? I mean, I don't see how the next Xbox would launch before the PS5 & still be more powerful (since PlayStation would be able to see what exactly was in that Xbox & make their console stronger) (I think: Which ever console launches 1st will be the weaker of the 2 consoles)
@uptown The only way Xbox would launch first and still be most powerful for multiplats (which it seems they are commited to by saying they are the best place to play)is if they take a loss or a bigger loss than Sony is willing to take and have more hardware features ram etc and sell at a loss. Or if as they are hinting at multiple consoles we can see the one x as a base. Let’s say a one x2 that’s the new gen. And a much more costly one x 3 that will be priced higher and more capable . Or maybe they realized that mid gen upgrades are not ideal. But the success of one x shows that there is appetite for better graphics. Then as a result they can design their. Next system to be upgradeable. So that even if ps5 comes out later and is more powerful there’s an update path for Xbox consoles. It’s next gen and anything is on the table. Prior to this gen, mid gen upgrades wasn’t a thing. So who knows. Plus it seems that graphic / tech experts like the guys over at digital foundry were genuinely impressed with the one x and the team behind it. Apparently the design of the one x is a real benchmark and set a new standard for console hardware. They even pioneered new techniques in the one x. So maybe while Sony has some dream team of software devs in the likes of naughty dog. Perhaps ms has built a dream team of hardware guys. ..
The purchase of new studios means those games are a minimum of 3 years out. That means 2021. I don't see how that's beating Sony.
How is the timing (before ps5) related to the reasons you mention? You suggest 'studio acquisition- + 'confirmation of next gen console- = targeting before ps5 launch. That's doesn't make sense. Edut I do believe Ms will announce first because of Xbox X precedent showing Phil likes announcing early.
seems like XBox will be a bi-annual upgrade
This would be the most likely scenario. First to market is a clear advantage as well as power and graphical requirements. Key thing will be balancing power advantage with first to market. I expect the Xbox to come first and ps5 to come shortly after in order not to give Microsoft too much of an advantage with first to market.
According to the info Sony has provided including outlook of PlayStation profit over the next few years, the absolute latest we should see the PS5 is 2020. Now, in order for Microsoft to beat them they would have to launch next year... just two years after the X model. That doesn't seem like a good move. Micheal also stated that the Xbox One would sell a minimum of 90 million while bashing Nintendo pre Switch launch at the same time. How did that work out...
"gameseveryday" The acquisition of 6 (not 5) studios is the very reason they´ll not rush the release of the next Xbox. Microsoft will make sure they have every single and heavy hitter games ready before goin against the PS5.
@obscure They have no heavy hitters anymore so hopefully they are working on some.
Those games are at a minimum 3 years away.
When it comes to Microsoft acquiring their new studios, why does everybody assume the games for these studios are just now starting to be made? For all we know, they could have games that are almost completed
No sure why you got so many thumbs down. What you said is true. MS is gearing up for Next Gen. I don't care who launches first. I wont be a fanboy and I will make sure I own all major game systems like every other gaming generation. So I can play all games. Fanboys will be fanboys.
@Prettygoodgamer "They have no heavy hitters anymore so hopefully they are working on some." Really? Let´s see... if a middle tier level Xbox One game as SoD2 that is also avaliable on PC and Game Pass has managed to make to the top on May´s NPD charts over GOD and Detroit, one can only wonder what Halo Infinite, Gears 5 or Playground´s new Fable can achieve. And please, try to not come up with lame excuses in case Forza Horizon 4 turn out to be a huge hit this October. ;)
@obscure None of those are heavy hitters, heavy hitters sell consoles, Xbox isn't making any gains by releasing those games, sorry but you're wrong but keep on wishing I guess.
@Srhalo It's obviously related. Personally, I am not expecting all of those 5 studios to launch their games on Xbox One. Some of them must be working on next-gen games. However, this is a mere assumption from me.
It is an assumption. Whatever game they make on the xbox one will also be on their new system as well as new games
"MS intends to launch next Xbox before ps5" If MS do, I smell another RROD about to happen. Whenever MS rush things it always goes bonkers. 360 said hello.
Retroman stop living in the past. See...anyway why would that be the case. Does the X have issues that are being kept super secret? Chips are designed in software and run virtual code. It prevents issues like rrod and bottlenecks. Go with Elsa, my child. Let it go.
Um..no! U sound like a Sony fan boy that doesnt want xbox to get the drop on Sony. The red ring will not be repeated MS learned from that. Last thing I remember is that rrod system beat the ps3 to a pulp last gen in sales ,games, the most preferred console, online and etc I guess u Sony fans forgot that. The yellow ring of death says hello
Funny how fanboy crap is still going on within this site. The consoles launched in 2013, please take the childish nonsense back there.
Chips are deisbed in software and run virtual code. It prevents issues like trod and bottleneck... What chips are you talking about, MS Vickie or Ruffles, cuz I k ow for sure Lays doesn't stop rrod @smoking guns Yellow light* And 360 didn't destroy ps3 except for its first year as there was no ps3. From the day the ps3 was released it was closing the gap meaning it was selling more. Just over 1 million more in Less time
RROD was caused because MS didn't try to fix a known issue before they launched the 360. They had their hands tied by NVidia with the OGXbox, which is why they released a year earlier. MS didn't rush the 360 market to try and beat Sony into the next gen, but because they were about to have a year where they wouldn't have any new consoles being made to send to market at all. That would have been a complete disaster for them. If MS could have gone another year or two with the OGXbox, they certainly would have. There is no reason that MS has to rush their next console to market before Sony. Even if they want to, they will have enough time to build, test, and design the console. It's expected they'll keep a similar architecture, so the whole process of making a new console is much more streamlined than it was just a couple generations ago.
@uptownsoul If the Xbox comes out a year before PS5....Sony cant just "tweek" something to make it better. It takes years to make the system. The Xbox 360 came out a year before PS3....it didnt mean the 360 was "better" or "more powerful"
thats funny because thats exactly what they did with the ps4. originally was 4gb then got changed to 8gb at last second soooo
@jukins haha so funny!
Didn't MS just tweak the X1S to make some improvents. Didn't they even tweak the OGX1 before release to give it a bit more power? It is possible to tweak certain aspects of the system to improve it, and a year is actually a decent amount of time to get more out of the system. So long as they haven't sourced parts yet, they can do what they need to. But as it stands, there probably won't be any need to tweak. Sony, and even MS, are just going to play their hand and likely stand buy it. Very minor tweaks is about all we'll see, and they'd probably do those regardless of the competition, and many would likely happen without our knowledge.
The success the 360 had against the PS3?
Well, I think it is the gamescon announcement had hardware listed as well.. perhaps Microsoft is planning on phasing out the Xbox one and instead of saying Xbox one x exclusive, they want to bridge that console as the entry level to give more room for their developers. I mean, Microsoft is obviously not scared to throw out consoles and the Xbox one/ one s are slowing them down.
They have outed the console. No sh*t, Pachter.
He's ignoring all the rumors about PS5, like the fact that dev kits have already been set to developers and the fact that Sony has already been making code updates to Ryzen. As well as the rumors that Navi was designed for PS5 and that it's already started production. And the whole idea that they are going to push out a new console so close to X seems outrageous. By 2020 the X will have only sold around 8 million units. The upgrade will be fairly small for them and the monetary investments will have been huge. Personally, I think Microsoft is largely just bluffing and trying to maintain their user base by saying they are making new console before Sony announces their console which will be out first. That's the same thing they did with the x when they announced it almost 2 years early just to talk about it before the Pro. Either way I don't think it really matters, I think PlayStation will continue it's success into next gen unless Sony themselves do something to damage themselves. PlayStation has international and third party support Microsoft will never have.
Not saying PS5 won't arrive at the same time or even before but, most of those rumors are ridiculous to begin with. Started prodcution? Cross Navi off the list then. It hasn't even been released to OEM testing for a full on GPU level die (not until end of this year). So, an APU level integration is a long way off - not 2019 for sure. So either production has started for something they have guaranteed knowledge of how it will look and two years is to far off for that to happen and a waste (investment waste) or it will not be Navi. I will take the former and expect 2020 Navi styled APU. Ryzen changes. Both, companies make changes to the CPU end of the APU. Nothing new and that is done in various tests throughout the development stage. Sometimes like all processes those changes stick; sometimes they change the changes. That as rumor is like the rumor that boiling water is hot. No duh!!! The X is no different then the Pro. There is no difference in 2019 for PS5 or even 2020. Three years of use for the device seems about right for a mid-gen update. Or does Sony get to skate on the issue if their console arrives in 2019. Most buyers like myself, willing to spend $499 on console like the X have a higher rate of disposable income else $249 for the S would have been a choice or keeping are current Xbox base units. We knew that the X device would have a follow up in 3 or so years. So yeah 2020 will be fine with me. I haven't seen any outcry of X owners disappointed about 2020. I have seen PS fanboys trying to make an argument about X being too soon. Not X fans though. Same goes for Pro owners. I rarely see Pro owners worry about 2020 or even 2019. Why? Because they went in knowing it was a mid-gen device. I would replace both my Pro and X without a second thought if they arrived in 2019 or 2020. "The upgrade will be fairly small for them" You have a crystal ball? You have seen the X2? If the X2 is similar to the rumored PS5 11 TFLOPS is that really a small jump? What about the Phil's interested in equalizing the CPU power. Would that be a small jump? Monetary investment? How is that any different then the Sony's Pro invesment. We don't know what the investment cost for either was. We don't know what they will take from that investment. Maybe the learned more about construction (see how much smaller the X with that power is compared to the Pro). Maybe the learned about how integration DirectX onto silicon and can advance that in the next console. Both these companies layout future plans of the consoles long before they are even worked on. Sometimes they adjust those plans by changes in the current system or changes in technology in other areas.
I saw a rumor that Sony isn't going with an apu this time and are targeting a discreet GPU instead
The rumor is Sony got Navi locked for PS5 in 2020 but I believe its also coming to Xbox and therefore.both will launch in the same year (maybe months apart though) If I'm wrong and it's actually locked for Sony then they won't launch at the same time. Does that make sense? There are also 3 different Navi GPU being made the highest being for pc so there's that too :/
The xbox1x is smaller because the chips are manufactured on 16nm vs xbox1 at 28nm. This isn't done by microsoft, it's done by whoever makes the chips for AMD, TSMC or Global Foundries. The power upgrade in new consoles is going to depend on how good AMD next gen hardware is, just like the xbox one x power is from newer AMD gpus than the ps4 has
Well written and well said dude.
I personally think that MS stating that there is work on a new Gen of XB consoles, was just to get the news out there, Developers have already confirmed that they have Games coming exclusively to Next Gen. Also, Sony's own Shawn Layden confirmed that a Next Generation PS is in Development but it will be some time before they can announce, the fact that PS4 first party software support/ releases will continue till 2021, and the fact that Sony and AMD are currently doing console specific updates to Ryzen and that the exclusive use of Navi CPUs for a Next Generation PS all says that it's not just MS who's gearing up for the next generation. Given the fact that both companies will dragging from a pool of technology that will be readily available gives us insight into the fact that they're targetting both the high end and are on the same launch frame. My guess, and a sure one at that is late 2019/ early2020 will be the year of console announcements. With a Fall 2020 release date. Because 1 Sony won't let MS launch a console before them to kick start a generation again, and 2 Sony can't get complacent given their success this generation. Given that both these consoles will be high end the first to announce and show forth the fruits of the labor, dominates the conversation, and will likely be the market leader... It's also why, the PS4 Pro even tho weaker than the XBO still sells better as the Defacto mid gen console!
Spencer mentioned that he confirmed work on a new xbox due to rumurs that the X will be their last console and rumours they might exit the console market. He wanted to confirm their long term commitment to Xbox.
I agreed with everything u said until u got to the last paragraph, the pro isn't selling more than the x its the other way around. The base ps4 is selling more though however.
That's why the Pro sells better huh? It doesn't matter when Sony pulls the trigger. Their console will sell better world wide. I shouldn't have to list the reasons why.
U sound delusional, Microsoft has the money to bully Sony and devs like they did last gen. The best playstation 3 without Japan even with their worldwide sales in other countries now that's impressive and something Sony probably was ashamed about. Even a large number of Sony fans bought a 360 last gen (though they'll never admit it) and sales showed that. Microsoft damaged themselves this gen that's what cost them. If they use the same strategy as 360 and with the right man in charge, funding and games they will beat Sony again. Only difference between the two companies Sony has been consistent since the ps1 days where has MS dropped the ball withers xbone. U think they cant learn from their mistake like Sony did with the ps3? We'll see. O wouldn't worry about the next box just keep playing your ps4 in anticipation for the 5
The only mistake Sony made with the PS3 was the initial price. It sold better every year and eventually over took the 360. That's with counting red ring repeat buyers. So they have never beaten Sony and never will. Quality wins.
PS5 is coming in 2019 according mw4 job listings.
I'm feeling 2020 with a possible 2021 for the next xbox. it's okay if they offset their schedules like before.
I hope so, Even though MS will leave this gen with the Stronger Hardware, I feel like they jumped the gun in 2013. Every viable leak resource stated PS4 would use 4gb of GDDR5 and even in the concept blueprints. MS went with slower DDR3 but 8gb and when Sony revealed 8gb of GDDR5, that put the whole MS camp in shock. I think MS learned not to jump the gun again on Hardware. MS has always wanted to be the "Powerhouse" even if their 1st party line up is lacking, I hope they wait and see what Sony does first this time around so they can get back to being a worthy competitor again
GUTz, MS was hardly the reason why Sony went with 8gb... The PS4 was initially only going to use 4GB because at the time, 8GB stacks weren't available in bulk, Orbis toolkits were in circulation and Devs were reporting that yields is good for memory bandwidth, but would severely cripple the console in years past launch! Randy Pitchford of Gearbox litterally Called Mark Cerny and told him that if the PS4 DOESNT SHIP with 8gb, it will be dead and plateau in 2 years tops. This was about November 2012, by December that year, they found a solution with stacking the Memory modules in 2s, on the motherboard, and ran internal tests with First party studios, which was why when Mark Cerny was proud to announce that "PS4 Kits are now shipping with 8GBs instead of the aforementioned 4" ...
PS5 is coming in 2021 according to the head of Sony Interactive
no, what he said was they would continue to support PS4 through to 2021. Everyone knows Sony always has an overlap of new platform with existing platform so expect it to either be the end of 2019 or 2020 at the latest. Ps4 will continue to get support for at least the first year of the PS5 on the market like they have done with all their previous platforms.
@Darthv72 He said they would focus on PS4 until 2021 then "crouch down and prepare to leap into the future" in the lead up to March 2021. That cannot possibly mean anything other than a PS5 announcement in 2021
It was the press getting carried away about PS5 while he was talking about Sony as a whole and more specifically about money. We all know a new launch doesn't make any money so you see the benefit only later
@darthv72, They said they wouldn't focus on major hardware until 2021, that pretty much confirms the earliest release date. Ryzen 3rd gen and Navi don't come out any earlier than 2019, 2019 as a release date is absolutely impossible.
you guys are confusing things. Their use of the term focus implies that is what they will be directing their attention to in full. That does not mean they will stop one and THEN start the other. They have NEVER done that in the nearly 25 years of systems. They ALWAYS do an overlap with the first year or so supporting both previous and new platforms. 2021 will be the year they stop supporting the PS4 with new titles and "focus" their attention on the PS5, which will have launched by 2020. Making that their main "focus" going forward, no more looking back at the Ps4 to split their time and efforts. It is what they did with PS1-PS2, PS2-PS3 and PS3-PS4. They always have an overlap before they finally decide to stop one and focus on the other.
in your dreams
Not a chance in hell, remember the Sony reports, no earlier than 2020 or 2021.
2020 will be the launch of the PS5 and by 2021 support for new titles (from Sony and its subsidiaries) for PS4 will halt making the PS5 their primary focus.
True, but I feel bad for the folks who invested in an Xbox One S
Or those like me who wated $500 on the OG X1. I would much rather have the X right now.
There's a huge trade off in time there, 4 whole years ... Never understood the rant against buying launch consoles. Wait til the end of the gen to purchase them and the next one starts...
I just bought the S from Amazon because it's not a huge hit, and I won't feel like I've wasted 500 on a console I'll barely play. And b4 anyone asks I bought it because I'm use to owning all the consoles. I had the OG xbox one but sold it
Why? Do you feel sorry for people who bout a 360 slim as well? People who waited to get an S will likely wait to get the 'S' version of the next generation system as well.
Aww You feel bad for others how thoughtful.. I feel bad for people that invested in the PlayStation 1, og Xbox and a Super Nintendo.. I mean why do these console makers keep moving forward? I also feel bad for all those people that bought a car this year know damn well that next year will be a new model. Now that I think of it... should we really be buying anything it’s only going to be so drepressing with everyone feeling so so bad.
I'm getting an X this year and whatever comes next in 2 years. I won't be missing anything since every game that comes out for the Nextbox will be playable on an X. Not sure about an S but X will definitely still be supported.
I don’t think that’s smart. They need the most powerful console in the market. Launch alongside ps5 and have clear messaging and maybe they can regain a lot of that 360 market share
You say that as if Sony didn't have the marketshare with PS2. PS4 just took back what they lost with PS3 which was even with 360 despite releasing a year later. If you're talking specifically about US then you have a point.
Chances are, MS is going to be somewhat aware of what Sony is going to have in their console. At least to some degree. Maybe not exact specs, but enough to make a comparable console. Industry trade secrets aren't always secret, and MS has people that can research, so they can make their console to be what they feel is necessary to compete. MS won't know what all Sony may focus on to compete on their side though, which is where it can become a gamble to try and one up the competition. It's usually better to make your own way, and have a clear vision for how you want the future to progress. MS didn't seem to have that ready when they announced the X1, or if they did, they certainly had no idea how to get people on board.
Is it plausible that Navi 10 and 14 are being made for Sony and Ms? Possibly two models each or one is releasing a few months before the other company? Genuine questions, I don't really know what I'm talking about here Navi 10 seems to be early 2020 release.
Keeping the price point in mind, it should be pretty easy to make a reasonable guess on what specs they'll probably use, we know Sony is unlikely to go over the magic figure of $399 like they did with the ps3. I think MS had a clear vision at the start but got a slap in the face when there was a massive uproar about how anti-consumer they were during the reveal of the xone (hencet the backtracking), I think they're chasing a service model moreso than anything now which has them heading in a completely different direction to Sony and Nintendo.