Arbitration clause in end-user license agreement protects developer RSI from refund claims in court
Why would you pay $4,500 for a video game... he learned a valuable lesson. RSI is running a huge con job.
Actually no there is a game you can play right now that is updated all the time with over 100 developers. I know this game gets a lot of flake but anyone who actually does some research will realize what they are trying to do is on a scale never done before It would be a con if you couldn't play the game and enjoy it
A game with 100 developers is nothing special. The only thing RSI is doing that's unique is running a perpetual beta with extremely overpriced backer items that prey on people.
More than 500 atm.
yeah a perfect business model, I hope that other devs won't copy their development model. I can imagine how carefree RSI's employees are in their offices, living the life, no deadlines , constant stream of money from backers, no pressure on making a design mistake because they'll just say that "the game is still in development, current build does not represent the final build". they don't even have to worry about sales and with the money they have they can even stop the development right now and claim that this is the final game.
People don't want to bother looking into the game. They just look at the money it costs and what the beta has in it. They don't see all the tech demos and the weekly streams and daily updates that the company provides as proof of concept. They have already said that this is a very long process to deliver what they want to do. They didn't have prior assets and materials to work with. It's not a studio prepared for a 3 or 4 year game, and they are pushing for more detail and intricate mechanics than a standard 4 year title. Study the game, watch a couple weekly updates, and watch the live demos. They are working on so many things on a very high level of quality. They just aren't fully realized and in the beta yet. It's probably why they decided to develop Squadron 42 alongside SC.
TBH you can rant on about why these people do these things, but these type of games target the most vulnerable of people or perhaps people with social issues. The person who paid has some sort of sickness, so it is clear SC has a system of manipulative backer bait.
Actually the guy who this article is about has some sort of disability and can't play twitch shooters. He liked whatever the original space simulator these guys did. Still that much money is crazy. It sounds pay to win. Buy the strongest ship and never die.
While I do agree that Star Citizen appears to be a con job I can understand an investment (probably a bad choice of a word here) if you the investor would get a share of the profits from the general sale of the game. Of course before investing in anything it would pay to do your homework first. Unfortunately, some people don't check, but to be fair even what could be considered a solid investment if the managers of said investment are corrupt or just flippant with the money then people (and it is usually the small investor) lose money.
It's not an investment at all. It's preordering a game with no guarantee of delivery or chance of getting your money back. If call it a gamble, because at least with investment, you do have potential to get more than you put in in return. No matter how big this game.may be, the going price for aaa games is about $60
I like how everyone saying he shouldn't have given that much in the first place and saying he must be crazy or sick.... What's funny to me is I feel the same way about anyone paying $60 for one video game and paying to play onlune..... Main reason why I switched over to pc gaming so much better in everyway and yet cheaper in the long run and total year to year cost.
You're right, that is damn funny when you put it like that/s Get over yourself
Why on earth would you part with $4500 for a game that is still in development?
The money was going towards the development of the game as it was announced back in 2013. The guy was suing because he claims it has since morphed into something that he would be unable to play.
You guys have to remember money value is different to everybody. $4500 could be nothing to some. Some might look at some buying games for $60 as crazy. Besides its his money to spend. Who are you to judge.
if it was nothing to him, he wouldn't be suing
PT Barnum was right, sucker born everyday
Ridiculous, a lot more worthwhile places to donate money than for a video game
That could be saud about a lot of things right. Look at these celebrities buying 200k watches I mean a $10 watch can tell you time or better yet you have a phone
At that price tag it's not a watch anymore, it's called a Time Piece mind you.
Most people would call those celebrities stupid too...
So sell every game you've ever paid for and give your money to charity instead.
Lol saw this coming a mile away
They had another article a few days ago that explained things more clearly: " As for CIG, who sent a representative of their interests, they were able to successfully argue that the arbitration clause present in the current TOS should be applied to transactions that occurred before it existed, despite the very first sentence of the Star Citizen TOS stating otherwise. “These Terms of Service (TOS) do not affect any transactions made before its effective date. All prior transactions are governed by the TOS in effect on the date of such transactions .” This in effect means that Firefly212 lost their case. It was dismissed by the judge and sent to arbitration as demanded by the current version of the Star Citizen TOS. Considering that the current TOS effectively removes all rights to refunds it’s probably safe to say that Firefly212 won’t be getting their money back." So there was a chance he could have gotten his money back, though the judge ruled in favor of CIG even with the TOS stating: “These Terms of Service (TOS) do not affect any transactions made before its effective date. All prior transactions are governed by the TOS in effect on the date of such transactions.” Not all judges or politicians care about people over big corporations.
Ya ridiculous they cancapply it retroactively
That's an error in law by the trial court, which means it would get overturned on appeal (by a competent appellate court). But who's going to pay for the appeals process over $4500?
Arbitration doesn't mean he still can't sue if he doesn't agree to the outcome.of the arbitration. It's a lot of work for an individual though, and he would like lose more trying to sue than he would gain back. Still....If he can spend 4500 on a video game that has no actual value since it's a digital game, then he may have enough money to pursue it on principal. Thinks like that are nice, because forced binding arbitration in TOS are BS.
Imagine if he had just spent that money at a strip club
Well, good point. The end result would kind of be the same. You blew $4500 and still get to go home with nothing in hand. Except, you've maybe got some very expensive memories! lol
For 4,500 you would have got some awesome sex at least.
They funded that much? Dude... Just dude.. Aint no project is worth you funding that much even if it was half life 3
This is just another reason why I don't back early-access titles. The only 2 I have ever contributed to were Wasteland 2 and Pillars of Eternity several years ago now. The scope of what RSI is attempting to achieve is unbelievable (if they can pull it off), but so far all they've released are glorified tech demo modules. Sadly, as others have stated, they've suckered the masses into their black hole, so to speak, where there is no financial recourse from dissatisfaction or otherwise. It's almost as if RSI knew development would take an untold number of years and withheld that information from their backers - this is evidenced through their repeated delays and oft-missed deadlines. Ultimately what can be gleaned here is that a game of this scope and scale requires tight resource and production management and most importantly, a transparent development pipeline. RSI has attempted to appear transparent through production updates, yet skeptical backers are still not convinced they will ever see a finished product. And on the subject of resource and production management, RSI's ability to manage a project of this scope has proven more than tricky (to put it lightly). So, whether you believe RSI is scamming its backers or not, the decision to invest money into an early access product, and to click "Accept" on the EULA agreement, is entirely your decision and right as a consumer; just as it is your right to express your opinion when the development process and the time frame is not to your liking. But before you back a project like Star Citizen, it is also incumbent upon you as a consumer to read the legalese. This guy apparently did not...
The problem I've seen with development is that they keep working on these new features before they even finish their core game. They keep asking for more money to produce these features, and people keep backing stretch goals because they sound cool, but there is no game.yet to release. Saying the game has a huge scope doesn't mean that they should just be adding to it before they prove they can provide the original scope their initial backers paid for.
There was another dude who was trying to get $25,000 back last year. I don't think he did. If you're willing to spend that much money on an obvious scam, then you deserve to lose it.
Explain to me how Star Citizen is an obvious scam? No, first tell me what a scam is. Last I checked a scam doesn't employ 400+ people that produce and develop game assets and technologies like we see every week in their videos or can play in the released Alpha. Or is that all a scam too? Actually, can you tell me what "ignorant" means before defining "scam"?
I love the disagree's without a single response. Really proves my point quite nicely. Keep it up!
Almost feel bad for the guy, he was excited to play this game now he can't he claims. He lost quite a lot of money, but in the end it's nobody else's fault but your own.
I've bought a couple ships, but not any of the thousand dollar ones. I've backed kickstarter games before and I know these take years to make. An MMO like Star Citizen will take even longer. I don't understand how you could back at the thousand dollar level, and not be patient enough to see it through. It's still in alpha, but it looks good for an alpha. I can't wait for it to enter beta and we can explore all the star systems. So far I've only run around the starting city, so it will be fun when they have the galaxy map fleshed out.
stupidity will cost you. we all know it. lets move on!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like the game but I just have to feel sorry for the people who feel compulsively obligated to purchase unnecessary items. The game is not even complete.
$4500 wow some people are stupid I wonder how he explained to his wife he dumped $4500 into something that is not even finished.
$4500? A fool and his money have just been parted.
coulda bought so many hookers and tater tots with that money you fool
Hookers and tater tots lol
What with this websites inane and obtuse hate for this game? It's IN DEVELOPMENT...ya know...like ALL game are at one point. The current release, the thing you can play that you can't with other games as they're being developed, is in ALPHA. 3.0 brought major changes and they've been on track with all updates in queue thus far and are making great strides and sticking to their word. Get over it. This game is working out, they do have the resources to make it, and that's what they've BEEN doing. I love how everyone screams "CON!" or "SCAM!"...yeah go tell that to the 400+ people working on it and all the developer updates and videos that come out WEEKLY showing all the progress and development being made. Do you people not realize that scams don't operate this way? The point of a scam is to make money and not make a product...paying 400+ people to work on a game we can play as it's being developed isn't how scams work... It's funny, those that support and follow the game know what they're talking about...the people that are negative towards it have LITERALLY ZERO examples of what makes it "bad". They just spout the same BS constantly without ever providing anything that shows it's BS. It's so lazy.
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