Kyle Bradford at GameSpew writes: A trip down memory lane coerced me to buy an original Xbox 360 for its blades dashboard. But its inability to play my digital games got me worrying about the future.
This is common knowledge. If one were to use a flash drive with their profile and digital games on it and plug it into a different system (like what this person did with the hdd) it would not contain the license files and therefore treat each game as if it were a trial. Unless the person were to sign into their live account and then it does an online verification to let those games be played, but on the original system they were initially installed to can work offline because the license file exists there. Another thing to note, if the profile that purchased the game exists on the same system as yours, you can play those digital games without having to own them yourself. It's because the license file and profile that purchased them are there to validate the game even in offline mode. I got my buddy's 360 slim when he moved and he had bought the full game of outrun online arcade (now delisted) and I am the new owner of the system so my profile is first and i've done a license transfer from my old system to this one and now al of his games are my games (so long as i dont delete his profile). He had some good ones like gauntlet and ikaruga and radiant silvergun.
It's the same principal as setting a "family" on your consoles. My buddy and I share games because my xbox is listed as his primary and his xbox is listed as my primary. So now whenever one of us downloads a new a game, it automatically shows up on the others xbox and gives them rights to play it. Did the same with my PS4. It's pretty fetch.
@indyman77 Sorry but no! the point of the article was that the guy could not play his digitals purchase on his old 360 because he wanted to keep the blade Interface and so he didn't connect to the Internet.
@indyman77 - you are wrong. Try reading the article again. @Petebloodyonion basically summed up the actual point of the article. You can play digital Xbox 360 games as long as the games match the latest update of the system. He wanted to NOT update his latest bought system.
I like how indyman comes on here and screams completely false insanity, and has a 2 to 1 upvote ratio. So there will be some people that don't read the article, and just read the first few comments, and they will probably believe that moron.
sorry indy, but you are totally wrong. It isnt even really about the OS level for the games or the servers. Its about two things. Profile and license. If you have the profile and license on the system then you can play the games just fine offline. If you decide to use your profile and games on another system, and did not do a license transfer, then the games will be seen as trials. If you go online with that system, it will verify their purchase against your profile and they will be playable for as long as you are connected online. the servers for the games can be shut down and the games delisted but that does not stop them from being playable if you have the license to play or the means to validate it online. this writer just wanted to use an older blade system but chances are if he moved the hdd back to his original it all becomes unlocked again... like magic. i forgot to point out that the games purchased are tied to two things. the profile as well as the console ID (which is why when you trade up consoles you should always do a license transfer through xbl). So a profile can validate a game purchased so long as you are online where as a system can validate a purchase if the console ID matches the digital license it was issued. Which is how I am able to still play outrun online arcade. Because this system has both the console ID to match the digital license as well as my buddy's profile (just inactive). If I were ever to try and move the games to another console then I would lose those games that he purchased because doing a license transfer only applies to the profile you specify. and i dont have his sign on info anymore since he canceled his xbl membership.
You can also change your home console a number of times per year. If you replace a dead Xbox with a new one, going through this process online will have everything working the way you're used to again. I've had to do that twice so far, with the 360. Edit: "Digital games don’t work without digital services, ya dummy!" Yes, they will, on your home console. You need digital service to download digital games (no, duh) but not to play them on the system designated as your home console. If you want to play your digital games on someone else's console, then you need online authentication, by logging into your account.
You typed all that just too say sign in or out
Yea this has been the case its not something that changed over night. Some people are so paranoid. Just set yourselves consoled to your home console if you're ever going to be offline and you won't have to worry about it.
funny thing is, he brought it on himself by moving the hdd to a different system. It isnt about the blades or the servers, its about matching the console ID with the digital license. Moving the hdd to another system, and not doing a license transfer, results in the games looking like trials. Move the drive back to the original and voila... they work again.
Yeah but a good amount of my 360 games are becoming BC!
This is what I love about current Backward. If MS keeps supporting more and more even BC for Original/360/Xbox one at next gen - then nothing to worry about anymore " other than missing a chance to buy a game before it is done from the store. If Sony Just listen 'n bring at least all of PS1/PS2 store ready titles
Yeah I have decent amount of classic games. I don't mind overcome the fact that PS3 is impossible to emulate in PS3 due to the complexity of its structure, but no reason to don't support PSN except this trophy rule crap which can be altered easily by CEO and such decision makers.
Until they turn those servers off two. When they turn off xbox one servers you will have the same problem you have with the ORIGINAL xbox servers...and the xbox 360 servers.
and that happens over time, keeping the game on disc or cartridge doesnt ensure they will work 15 years later either, some times people need to get with the times
Bolimekurac So what will stop you from playing say, horizon Zero Dawn 50 years in the future from a disc? I'm just curious. How about gears, yooka laylee etc. The consoles still exist even then. You have absolutely no reason to not be able to use a disc in the future unless its a online title
Okay and your physical games work until they break. What is your point? Both have pitfalls. Neither is a perfect solution.
teflon, all 3 of my xbox ones og disc drive do not work anymore, my ps4 og disc drive doesnt work anymore, so thats what will stop me from playing the games you mentioned 50 years from now and by then i bet the discs wont be good either. get with the times
@Gho5t okay so your TV works until it breaks what is your point? See what I did there? YOUR TALKING ABOUT A PHYSICAL thing. My Genesis still works!!!!!
when they turn the servers off the only thing you really lose is access to that portion of the game that relies on those servers. I can still play any og xbox game on my og xbox so long as it does not require xbl to play (since xbl servers are turned off for og). so if the day comes for 360 servers to be shut down then a game like titanfall will no longer function because that is an online only game for the 360. although it prob sold better on the xbox one so people will be able to play that one still until the day those servers go offline. My point is nothing lasts forever but this write is going about it all wrong in his piece. His issue is his own and is easily rectified by moving the hdd back to his original 360 that he used to purchase the games. Then everything matches up and the games are playable again, even offline.
It is pretty sweet. Dante's Inferno just added... If Microsoft keeps up the promise of forward and backward compatibility, I'll likely always own a Xbox console just to play my old games and to be invest in any future games. It's hard not to argue with the idea that all XBO games and many previous games will always be playable.
If you stick with physical, these issues wouldn't happen.
That's not really an option for the majority of games on xbla (or even the ps store). There are those few that were give compilation treatment like the capcom digital collection on 360 as well as konami classics vol 1 and 2 but for the most part, if the game was a digital release chances are it may not end up ever getting a physical one.
Yeah.. Good luck buying a copy of Shadow Complex on Disc!
As long as those games did not require a day one patch to cover a game breaking bug that is.
What about the many games that didn't get a release in physical form and the games that have DLC?
oh so every 20 year old game system and cartridge and disc is working perfectly? get with the times
Um...Yeah. They actually do. I have beat up SNES/N64, even 32X cartridges and PSX disks scratched to hell that work damn well...And I am far from the only person.
You say this like physical media doesnt present its own issues or problems. http://www.mandatory.com/cu...
So what happens as the media disc player on your console dies? What happens when the media gets too old and doesn't work (DVD lifespans are short). Or the discs can get damaged. What happens when they update the OS and the game breaks because it did not get an update? There are many ways games stop working. In the past 10 years I have lost 7 Blu-ray/DVD discs to physical issues. In the same timeframe I have only lost two digital games to digital issues.
DVD lifespans are short? "What happens when they update the OS and the game breaks because it did not get an update?" Funny enough, most games released prior to the 7th generation of consoles were more often than not, released in an actually finished state. Most can be played start to finish, no massive patches, no chunks of the game being chopped off and resold as DLC. They were an actually completed and finished, and fully working product.
Do you know what else won't last forever? Everything.
Does...Does that mean I'm....not going to last forever?!?
No, you're good.
what a relief.
Pretty much every game will be worthless if the servers that has the updated versions goes offline, now-a-day there's nearly no games that launch without major bugs or glitches, even frame rate problems and stuff. That's why I don't get all this physical version nonsenses...
My god that was the most drawn out article I've ever read. Before you judge me, read it. Or try to.
This is why i try to get most of my Switch games physical, i don't mind the smaller games being digital. Because once the online service shuts down, and for consoles it will at some point, you can't re-download them again
but whos to gaurentee that the switch itself or even the cartridges will work in 15 years
Give it a rest dude
That was my complaint day-one of the "glorious digital future".
I think most people don't really think that far ahead. The chance a lot of these games are available in 20 years is pretty slim if you ask me. Even with BC, and what not. It may not matter to them in 20 years, but eventually, these digital purchases are going to catch up to them. Hopefully later, but ask anyone that brought a game on GFWL, and you'll find people who have already faced this issue. On top of that, not every game that is removed, can continue to be downloaded. I can't get my copy of R-Types on PS3 anymore. It was one of the first digital purchases I made because I love R-Type so much. Keeping it backed up isn't always an option either. That works on PC most of the time, but if you lose your hard drive from something like GFWL, then you can't get a legal copy anymore. On console, it's impossible to just copy over the file and have it work.
I think digital purchases for online multiplayer games is a perfect setup. Most MP games last only so long until a sequel or next best thing comes out and the majority shift to that. I still prefer physical media bc I have a backlog from great sales and I will get to those games when I get to them. My other problem is that my favorite genre is RPGs and they are each a time investment.
Longer we go away from a gen, the closer we get to it becoming retro, there is no point in them stopping the support of older games, they still sell, they can give em away, they take relatively little space, what would be the reason? MP Servers are a different story. requires hardware/VSs, teams, maintenance, etc I've re-downloaded PS3 and 360 stuff I bought in 2006, no problem.
Not only that lol the Securom used on those games were actively blocked by Windows 10,so it wouldn't even run. I must say that Microsoft did make the game's more secure from ever running LMAO..
@eidolon Sometimes it's out of the publishers control. There is often licensing of game content that can cause things to get removed once that license expires. Luckily more publishers are moving away from that, but it still exists.
the day i couldnt get my cartridges to work on my snes without blowing into them, the day i couldnt get my ps1 or ps2 or ps3 or xbox og or xbox 360 to read a disc becuase the disc was scratched or the reader didnt work was the day i was praying for a digital future even in the snes days
You were even too lazy to blow in a cartridge?,go to sleep man lol.
A physical problem with a game system, and even carts in some cases, can be overcome with what is usually a simple fix and a few dollars. A digital game collection removed from the servers is lost forever, at least on consoles. If your x box breaks, you wouldn't be able to play those digital games either way, so the point you keep trying to make in all these comments is relevant to both forms of distribution.
rainslacker is my dvd drive dies i can still play digitial and im telling you dvd drives die, there is no reason not to go digital as i can see these corps keeping the games alive longer then dvd and dvd drives can. ms is doing that now with bc as well
He doesn't want to go online because he would have to update his dashboard (system). He would lose the blades. For someone that has 3 xbox360 for so long one would think that he learned a thing or two. Every physical copy has dashboard software update on the disc. So you pop in GOW3 and dashboard is updated in order to play the game. I don't get this guy. What does he want? For all I understand digital games are not his problem.
I don't know if this is something he is after but i am curious if there are any achievements that do not work on newer dashboards. Meaning you can only unlock them on the older blade dash OS.
There is no such a thing. There are old achivements like they all have the same icon...but all achivements work with new dashboard. Really? I cannot believe how stupid this article is.
When I go back to the 360 the Dashboard looks abandon. It's like a long party took place but eventually it came to end. Similar to Studio 54. Very few ads and it looks baron and run down. It feels like tumbleweeds are gonna cross my screen. I feel like someone returning to their childhood home. All those memories and now it's all gone.
No game is going to last forever considering nothing ships complete anymore. Once the patches are not available, game broken.
If you are an achievement or trophy hunter then the loss of taking the system (or game) online can be even more detrimental because many achievements/trophies are no longer obtainable. you can still play the games offline.
Well games in general now change they won't be the same in 10 years no matter what version you have unless you buy the disc and don't have your console online. E. G gta 4 had 60 plus songs removed from the radio stations recently when it turned 10
On PC digital is past, present and future as we don't have generations like on consoles. You think you've got it good on consoles well the PC has it much better and has had backwards compatibility for decades. This is why digital is the future on PC as it is more widely accepted and advanced.
How is it better that you can't sell your used games?
We get super cheap games on sale and the money goes to the devs instead of just to shady game stores of which we have a pretty horrid one in the UK. It's a lot less hassle than getting a fair price on a used game. Also there are some stores on PC that are being developed that will utilise blockchain to enable PC Gamers to sell used digital game licenses https://www.robotcache.com/
Money goes to devs and not the shady game stores? Except for that 20-25% that steam takes from the sale price. The 50% or so that any publisher or investor would get. Then all the money that has to be recouped from development cost before a dev sees a dime? But of course you get them cheap, so you're not even.paying full price. Then say how game.stores are shady because you can't get your games cheap there I guess.
@Rainslacker How is that any different to any other store? I'm talking about used games where all of the money goes to GAME or a store with a similar reputation. Devs wouldn't choose to put their games on sale if they didn't think it would make them a lot of money and I've seen graphs of revenue for certain games on Steam and sales cause big spikes as you would expect. GAME (our biggest game store) doesn't have a great reputation. On top of all the scummy practices that you can expect from every game store like pushing customers to buy used instead of new etc you have them going into administration 2+ times now? https://www.eurogamer.net/a... There was also talk of price fixing a while ago (illegal in the EU) by refusing to stock games unless the digital price was higher or the same. Which of course you can't do without setting up a pricing cartel. I'm not really sure what point you are trying to argue, Devs getting no money for their work is better than a smaller amount of profit (hopefully made up for by a big rise in volume of sales)?
"digital is past" Last time I checked, digital PC games haven't even been the dominant format for more than a decade or so. I get what your point was trying to be but that logic doesn't work.
This article just made me miss the blade interface it was so much better than the boxes we got after it. It was clean and had minimal advertising in comparison to the end of the generation which was 90% Mountain dew and doritios ads on the home screen
Thank Geoff Keighly for that one LOL
oh god more people crying about digital games, its the future get used to it the day i couldnt get my cartridges to work on my snes without blowing into them, the day i couldnt get my ps1 or ps2 or ps3 or xbox og or xbox 360 to read a disc becuase the disc was scratched or the reader didnt work was the day i was praying for a digital future even in the snes days , instead we have people crying about going digital and holding everyone back becuase they have nostalgia, i hate people in general but the nostalgic ones are the worst
I have zero scratches on my disc. You need to take better care of your shit. There are too many downsides to digital that it's not worth it. Digital vs. physical is not about nostalgia.
Your consoles will break eventually though and then the physical is just as worthless as the digital. Nothing lasts forever, stop trying to.