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From Porn to Nazis: Game Censoring Sucks

Censorship still happens in video games sometimes. It absolutely shouldn't. Especially when an entire country bans a game!

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Smokehouse130d ago

It’s self-censorship and that makes it worse. At least in America. They never used to cave to the religious right, they bend over and spread cheeks for the religious left.

Christopher130d ago

And yet Germany requires censoring Nazi symbols and Australia doesn't allow drug use in games unless they have negative side effects. But, yeah, the U.S. is the problem. The one that doesn't censor games like Postal or Hatred at all.

annoyedgamer130d ago (Edited 130d ago )

I don't think he was singling out the US. He is referencing the self censorship. It is one thing to say you live in a police state that can jail you like Germany and the UK so you have no other option than to protect yourself and your family from the state. It is quite another when you self censor by choice. I would argue that the latter is more dangerous in the long run than the former since the creator earnestly believes in his heart that censorship is necessary for the masses. Not to mention, creators in the US are shamed into censorship rather than legislated.

Smokehouse130d ago

Annoyedgamer is correct. The US doesn’t use law like Germany and Australia, it’s self censorship which is worse in my opinion.

Christopher130d ago (Edited 130d ago )

What you guys call self censorship most people call 'marketing to the mass market'.

Smokehouse130d ago

If that’s the case then they are ignorant because those views are nowhere near the “masses”.

annoyedgamer130d ago

SJWs do not represent the mass market as they claim. We both know that. If they did, the markets would be healthier than ever and it is not.

Microtransactions and dlc could have mass market appeals though and it shows by the enormous popularity.

Christopher130d ago

***SJWs do not represent the mass market as they claim. We both know that. If they did, the markets would be healthier than ever and it is not. ***

No one said they did, but most people don't want to deal with real-world religious persecution or the like in their games either. I mean, aren't gamers the ones who often say to keep politics out of their games? Those same gamers who run around shouting "SJWs are ruining gaming"?

gjxodnvb130d ago

Oh good grief, yet another article that just devolves into screaming SJW as an excuse to not discuss the actual issue.

Rachel_Alucard129d ago

The law about Germany is exaggerated, Germany does not require censoring of Swastikas as long as it's for art related media. Film, photography, and many others are considered as art in Germany, video games are not, however if anyone went to court over it they would win, but nobody wants to go down as the publisher who made swastikas allowed in Germany.

annoyedgamer129d ago

I never said I support politics in games. Why are you putting things in my mouth? And most activists these days want MORE political stances in games something I want creators to stay away from.

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gamer7804130d ago

I'm honestly not so sure its the "religious" ones that are causing it. I think its more from a general social justice perspective, from whichever side.

Smokehouse130d ago

Nah, it’s all faith based BS. Evangelicals and Utopians are no different.

annoyedgamer129d ago

The religious ones do aid from time to time but they had their day back on the 90s. The liberals back then protected us from any legislation they may have spearheaded. We don't have their help any more.

rainslacker129d ago (Edited 129d ago )

There is some faith based stuff. That used to be the main place it came from.

Now though, it comes from a lot of people who want attention, and seem to feel they are more important than they are, so they press their opinions on others, and lash out when others don't agree with them. They tend to be more adept at manipulating social media than the religious types are.

More on topic, companies have self-censored games for decades now. Back in the 80's, some stuff that was in Japanese games was censored just because the publishers felt it would cause too much of an uproar if they kept it included.

Truth be told, nowadays, we see more sex and potentially offensive material than we did more than 20 years ago. But some places around the world are still a bit more prudish about such things, and a lot of that has to do with the society that may exist in that country, with a healthy dose of public government dictating terms.

xtheblackparade129d ago

It must have economic appeal to self censor otherwise companies would never do such a thing. Alt left simply has that pull on past gen media right now. I kinda get it, people are afraid to lose their jobs and security in life if they walk out of line and that's the last thing you want if you have a family. But if this continues though, we are gonna lose a lot more.

Smokehouse129d ago

Not always true. Take Hollywood for instance, they know their garbage will tank. They make a few movies people actually want to see so they can fund the garbage no one wants to see. Look at sites like polygon and kotaku, do you think those sites would survive without some left wing hack parent company? No real business would alienate any of its customers but it’s not like that anymore, everyone is an activist.

Razzer129d ago

Self-censorship? You mean when a company makes decisions about what kind of content they are going to put in their game? Ok....and what is the problem? Look.....most of these game companies are not in the business to create controversy or take up a cause. They are in the business of selling games. That simple.

Smokehouse129d ago

If you remove content you otherwise would have used because “you don’t want to start a controversy” then that is self-censorship sure. They avoid a puddle that’s playing as a storm.

Razzer129d ago

As is their right. Absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Smokehouse129d ago

It’s their right to what? Submit to the outrage groups and remove their content? You are implying that removing content is creative freedom. They don’t have to though is my point, not by law. They cave to these tiny pockets of loudmouths lol. It’s their right though, sure.

Razzer129d ago

"It’s their right though, sure. "

End of discussion

Averyashimself129d ago

Why do people like you think that just because someone has the right to do something, that they shouldn't be demonized for things people don't want them to do? No one is arguing that it is not their right to censor their own content. We are just saying that they shouldn't pander to a loud minority. They should be able to do whatever they want, but business speaking, they're not going to because you have a small percentage of the population in almost full control of journalism, schooling, film, etc. helping them to believe that they should self censor.

Razzer129d ago

Oh so if we demonize them then we are pressuring them to put in content they would rather remove. But didn’t you just say they shouldn’t pander to a loud minority? You are just replacing one loud minority with another and pretending it is different.

Smokehouse128d ago

“End of discussion”.
Ok... i’ll let you think you proved something

Razzer128d ago

lol.....I didn't "prove" anything and I feel no need to. We all acknowledge their right to control the content of their games regardless of what group is yapping in their ear. Good enough for me.

Smokehouse128d ago

good because you didn’t lol. Saying it’s their right to self-censor is a moot point. That’s why it’s called self-censoring..... it doesn’t change anything I said.

Razzer128d ago (Edited 128d ago )

And those rights make you whining about self-censorship a moot point as well. So you've said....pretty much nothing worth much at all. But keep posting like you too have "proved something".

Smokehouse128d ago

Who’s whining? I’m speaking on article topic.... Are you special? “They have a right to remove their content!” You are backwards lmao.

Razzer128d ago

You're just thick-headed. Of course you are whining. And no, you are not on topic. The article is about censorship....real censorship. You are whining about publishers or devs making their own choices about the content of their game. Hell....you claim that is worse than government censorship which is just an idiotic position to take. You've got your own politics in mind with all this shit which makes you EXACTLY one of these " tiny pockets of loudmouths" that you bitch about.

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annoyedgamer130d ago

Activists: This is offensive and must be censored! Hate speech is not free speech!
Creators: Yes masters we will comply!
Fans: Why did this happen?
Activists: Freedom of speech!

gjxodnvb130d ago (Edited 130d ago )

So you want games that support hate speech on home consoles?

But let's be realistic here, if EA made a game where Nazi wanna be's ram cars into protestors it wouldn't sell. EA doesn't make that game because "SJW's" are telling them not too, they don't make that game because no one would buy it. (Ya know because of the fact that no rational person wants a game like that)

And freedom of speech gets infringed on by both sides. When people try to stop Naughty Dog (or any company) from putting women or homosexuals or minorities in their games and you cry SJW and tell them they shouldn't be able to do that your infringing upon their freedom of speech and expression just as much as anyone else.

Really it's the same old hypocrisy of freedom of speech as long as you say what I want to hear.

annoyedgamer129d ago

Nazis huh. See my other comments. Not wasting my time with you since you are already citing real world events in an attempt to smear me as a Neo Nazi.

briannah95129d ago

The things you say on the site paint your personality not what people say about you.

Averyashimself129d ago

How many times do people have to explain to you fools that no one is saying that they don't have the right to put whatever content that they want in their games. No one is arguing that. The people that are complaining about "Naughty Dog putting women or homosexuals or minorities in their games and crying sjw," are only complaining because these companies have a track record of just pandering to loud crybabies on the internet. If they wanted to just innocently put homosexuals or minorities as very much featured characters in their games, then so be it. I have no problem with them innocently doing these things because they think it would better the story or fit better. But we all know due to many track records, especially recently, that these companies are only doing this to say, "LOOK AT US. WERE NOT HOMOPHOBIC, SEXIST, OR RACIST!!!"

parris129d ago

You don't actually care about freedom of speech in the least. You just use that as a cloak to hide the fact that everything you say is based on pushing your political agenda.

Your more of an activist than anyone on this site.

annoyedgamer129d ago

What agenda is that? Trying to get games to go back to the way they were pre ~2013? How are games like Need For Speed Underground 2 and Uncharted 1 - 3 pushing a political narrative? Or are you so far of the deep end that something normal people want to play is "Nazi propaganda"?

briannah95129d ago

Oh don't pretend your not trying to push a right wing agenda. You literally pretended to be black to justify your right wing position on wellfare. And then you pretended to be Asian to justify your right wing position on equality. Then you lied and tried to say your mixed race which we all know is a lie. Why don't you tell us how white Christian males are the most oppressed group and go boycott Far Cry some more.

You are in literally every single article on the site that has even minor social implications shouting SJW. What you say in articles like this has very little to do with gaming and everything to do with pushing your political agenda.

Cobra951129d ago (Edited 129d ago )

There must be something else in play here to explain all those downvotes. What you're saying is mostly true. There is a concerted effort from the left in the West to suppress any speech that challenges their narrative. It's not just America. It's actually worse in Western Europe and Britain.

gjxodnvb129d ago

Because certain people try to act like only one side is guilty when the reality is both sides try to stop the other side from expressing themselves.

You say the left tries to censor the rights speech but when the right is screaming SJW and trying to censor games from having minorities or homosexuals they are trying to suppress the lefts speech.

The thing that's probably at play is that people realize the hypocrisy of what he is saying.

annoyedgamer129d ago (Edited 129d ago )

They called me a Nazi so yea Im not sure whats going on here. I was saying this above with sexual content in mind not Nazi simulators or homosexuals.

Think Need For Speed Underground 2 vs Forza Horizon 3.

The guy below basically glossed over what I said and then blamed me for promoting Neo Nazis. So either he didnt read what I said or is trying to steer the discussion onto his political turf.

briannah95129d ago

"I was saying this above with sexual content in mind not Nazi simulators or homosexuals."

Activists: This is offensive and must be censored! Hate speech is not free speech!
Creators: Yes masters we will comply!
Fans: Why did this happen?
Activists: Freedom of speech!

That is exactly what you said, you were talking about hate speech in an article about gaming. It's not a stretch to read what your saying as a claim that hate speech was being censored in gaming and that you find that a problem. The implication of your statement is that you think more hate speech should be in games.

Averyashimself129d ago

As long as they control the media, they have at least a basic control over people's minds. Go ahead and disagree with this statement and prove me right about your concerted efforts :)

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Christopher129d ago

So, from what I can tell, you are fine with sexism, misogyny, hate speech, etc. in games as long as it's based on just creator desires, but as soon as someone complains about it, it's "keep your politics out of my games"?

Sounds like your politics are already in games, you just don't want the politics of others in there.

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DivineAssault 130d ago

Let the ratings do their jobs. I was never a fan of censorship. Porn all over the internet, sex in films, etc but in a game its the end of the world.

Fist4achin130d ago

It is ridiculous that porn is everywhere. I remember growing up, that one porno mag was like gold. Although I don't care for putting sex in games just to put it there. I'd rather it be a part of the story or furthering it in some way.

jakiah66130d ago

The problem is that what is being called porn in games isn't (at least not on the consoles there are actual PC porn games but that's not really the issue here)

Two people kissing, girls in bikinis or underwear, or an off color joke about sex isn't pornography.

I find most of the censorship to just be focused on culture. You have a game from Japan that has no actual nudity no actual sex and it's banned yet a game like the Witcher or Far Cry or Mass Effect which have actual sex and nudity are just fine. That has nothing to do with any kind of morality it's just censoring because of where the game is made.

Kokyu129d ago

@jakiah66

The Japanese thing is sometimes the females are suggestively under age like 14 to 10 and that is a little too close to pedo stuff for the States and other places. Ive played a lot of Japanese games where the females are obviously not underage but are overly busty and thry get through just fine.

annoyedgamer129d ago

Whats considered porn now was considered a slightly racy pic back then.

Razzer129d ago

“Whats considered porn now was considered a slightly racy pic back then.”

lol....other way around dude

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