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It Sure Doesn't Seem Like There's A Point To Microsoft Making Another Xbox

Paul Tassi - "Phil Spencer told Variety. “It’s why we look at expanding the audience with Xbox Adaptive Controller, or how we make sure games can be multi-generational with projects like backward compatibility. I care less that people play Minecraft on an Xbox One, but that people can play Minecraft no matter what console or device they have in front of them.”

Wait, what?

That’s describing the goal of any third party publisher, essentially, and if this is what Microsoft is concerned with, I don’t really understand why they’re staying in the hardware game at all. If they want to just bring their series to as many platforms as possible, that can be achieved without hardware of your own.

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SCW198271d ago

The point is to have a convenient pick up and play option if you aren’t into PC. And that’s a fine enough reason without exclusives.

Nyxus71d ago

But the PS4 does that + lots of great exclusives. No need to get an Xbox then.

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RainbowBrite71d ago

Xbox is... or better said was, a different flavor of gaming. The original xbox was amazing, and then the first couple of years of the 360. But I agree there's no point now.

SCW198271d ago

Agreed but its good to have options so the industry is always progressing.

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ71d ago

Already owned a Pro, I bought an X for a better performance gaming and 4k experience...

Goldby71d ago

@gutz,

Goos news both consoles can do that

xRacer74x71d ago

Not everyone likes the sony console. Their are little to no racing games seems like all Sony exclusivess are JRPG or another 3rd person clone. Not only that but their controller is no where near as nice as the Xbox Controller.

BiggerBoss71d ago

Why do we need a new Xbox console if the "Cloud" can make the Xbox One 4 times more powerful?

Master of Unlocking71d ago

We need Xbox and we need Microsoft just so Sony has competition. You have to be a rabid fanboy and/or be really immature to wish there were only one brand/corporation in any given business/industry. Competition is the best for us consumers.

Goldby71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

@Racer

GTsport
Need for speeds
TRack Mania
Dirt rally (also in VR)
Drive Club
F1
Crew
Project Cars
Trial
WRC
Assetto Corsa
Riptide GP
Ride
Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo
MX vs. ATV Supercross Encore
Nascar
Tour De France

please tell me how that is little to no racers.
or better yet

stop lying

No Way71d ago

Goldby - how exactly does both systems offer better performance?

Goldby71d ago

@noway

god of war can only eb played at 1080p 30fps on ps4. pro allows 60fps or 4k
and its pretty self explanatory for the one x

BadElf71d ago

But...but...the PS4 is a different console/company than Xbox and Nintendo. Things like this happen in the world. You know, opinions on what console to play games on?

XtaZ71d ago

Xbox is simply the superior console platform and experience so they will always have their place. Sony should just go third party because their console is literally just an extra annoying paywall to get through to be able to play some exclusives that would have run and looked better on other platforms.

BiggerBoss71d ago

The Xbox is what you go with if you want a game console with less games than the Ps4.

AngelicIceDiamond71d ago

Well that's too damn bad because its stickin around. Who cares what what ppl say here, there opinions don't and never will matter. Having Xbox around doesn't take away your gaming experience on PS so just ignore the console and move along.

PUBG71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

Personally, I haven't liked the exclusive games that Sony has had this generation, just not my cup of tea. Halo MCC, Halo 5, Gears 4, Quantum Break, Gears Remastered, Titanfall 1, PUBG, along with all of the exclusive backwards compatible titles have been more than enough for me.

I can't wait to get back into Battlefield 1943 within the next couple of weeks, after I finish playing through the Borderlands series with a friend. Xbox has tons of great games, including the classics, which no other console has available.

Sony was golden last generation, and I don't care what people say, their exclusive line-up has been way overblown this time around. If I actually thought that they were great games, I'd be soaking all of my time into the PS4, but everything that they have going on, pales in comparison to last gen by a long shot.

I'd play Uncharted 4, Infamous: Second Sun, Killzone: Shadow Fall, and possibly God of War 4, even though it really isn't a GoW game in terms of gameplay, and then there's TLoU 2, which isn't out yet, but beyond that, there's nothing that interests me.

Not everyone likes what Sony is offering, and from someone who has been a big fan of Sony's products over the last 35 years, I can say without a doubt, that this gen Sony has relied on marketing more than ever, and it has worked. They've completely blown Microsoft and Nintendo out of the water this gen when it comes to marketing dollars, and people have bought into it, and so they spend their time on here defending their purchase, rather than playing these supposed 'loads' of games....

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DVAcme71d ago

And not only that, get a Bluetooth dongle and DS4Windows and the Dualshock 4 is an excellent wireless PC controller, too. If you have a PS4 and a PC, you're not missing anything. What does the XB1 have? Sea of Thieves, Forza, Gears? Cause Halo and State of Decay have been releasing on PC, and Crackdown is apparently never coming out. Meanwhile, the list of what you'd be missing without a PS4 is long as hell and still growing.

chrisoadamson70d ago (Edited 70d ago )

The Xbox is more powerful . Has a better controller and better online service . All third party games are better. Some reasons

pinkcrocodile7570d ago (Edited 70d ago )

I agree with @Reaprr. The idea that we let Sony loose as the sole high end console platform is frightening.

We need MS and Nintendo there to keep all platforms on their toes. Take EA Access being withheld from PS4 users as an example. Sony has PS Now so therefore they made the decision for all PS4 users to not allow a third party service to compete as it were, even though it's not a streaming service but a download service.

If MS disappeared from the gaming space there is little incentive for Sony to capitulate with other software providers.

While Sony is in the lead in this silly horsesh!t console war they seem to be going down the route of isolationism and that while great in the short term is a bad idea in the long term, especially when traditional consoles become a thing of the past (when ever that may be).

I at least would like Sony to hedge their bets in this regard.

jagermaster61970d ago

But does it do true 4k? No so that's a reason to own an Xbox.

Godmars29070d ago

@RainbowBrite:
Have to ask what was so amazing and different about Xbox as a gaming option when it entered the market?

The OG Xbox was about PC ports, trying to get what was popular on PS, getting extra content added if possible, copying/continuing some of what Sega did since they had picked up Sega people, but largely ignoring console strong genres like side-scrolling shooters and JRPGs. Made a big show with the 360 towards library diversity only to make it known as the 1st/3rd person shooter console.

They are in the exact position they are now because of failure to develop in-house creativity and diversity. Wanting/expecting that to come to them, being focused on the service and distribution and letting that effect everything they did.

Kribwalker70d ago

@Goldby

in that entire list of yours and not one of them is better the Forza Horizon 3, not even close.

Some people like the xbox controller better. Some people like the gears halo and forza. Some people don’t like JRPGs or Anime style or over the shoulder action games. There’s plenty of reasons for and against both consoles. But to make it easy, i buy them all and play them all 😉

DigitalRaptor70d ago (Edited 70d ago )

@ jagermaster619

"True 4k" is just a fake Microsoft marketing buzzword, but if you want an answer, yes it does.

In fact, PS4 Pro has more enhanced games than the Xbox One X does... by a LONG way.

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DarkVoyager71d ago

Couldn’t agree more. Just add State of Decay 2 to the list of underwhelming exclusives.

“Spencer himself has previously said he knows that Microsoft needs to step it up in terms of its exclusives, yet we have seen few signs of that happening. That might change at E3, but in the last few years Microsoft has cancelled a number of high-profile exclusives (Scalebound, Fable Legends, Phantom Dust), delayed others (Crackdown 3) and released hyped games that turn out to be underwhelming and undercooked (Sea of Thieves). So even if this is the new mantra for them going forward, it may be several years until we see any possible harvest of these seeds being planted now, like the upcoming Fable 4.“

SCW198271d ago

The Irony is you can't just make an amazing exclusive if you don't have the talent to be able to do that, that's what makes Sony's World Wide Studios such a power house .They were cultivated and formed during PS1 and PS2 generations so that when PS3 came around these studios could really flex what they have. (Naughty Dog has always been amazing since Crash.)

xX-oldboy-Xx71d ago

SCW1982 - The irony is MS studios has been around for a looong time.

Sony entered the console space after a Nintendo backstab. Now, Sony went on to compete and humble a giant in many ways.

Your point about Sony Worldwide studios is 100% correct, my point is - the blueprint was laid out for MS.

Invest in talent, create a positive culture within your 1st parties - let them free to create.

What does MS do? Buy Halo exclusivity from Apple, jump in bed with Epic for GoW. Huge game comes along - Minecraft - spends 2 BILLION to acquire all assets and IP ownership. Next big game comes along - PUBG - buys exclusivity for its console.

They always look for the easy way, they are - arrogant, lazy, pig headed, dishonest and all round terrible company with some sleazy and greasy people in positions they shouldn't be.

kneon71d ago

@xX-oldboy-Xx

Sure, but does Microsoft have the patience to let studios mature into something that can compete with the likes of Naughty Dog? It would take many years and several game releases, and some studios just won't pan out.

Saigon71d ago

@kneon,

No, and I believe that is his point. At one point I remember when MS first entered the console industry I thought they would have some great games and developers because of their actions with PC. But, none of the studios they owned ever transitioned from PC to console or multiplatform. They were either one or the other and those studios paid a serious price for not making that transition.

I see what Forbes is trying to say. MS has so many assets in Cloud Computing, why are they still in the console business where they could switch over to a PaaS process.

morganfell71d ago

@DarkVoyager,

And that really is the issue. Talk...talk...talk...but no action. It doesn't matter because the same people that fall down on their knees in praise every time Phil promises something will do so again on Sunday. Then after a couple of years the disappointment will sink in (it takes that long for some people to realize the truth) but by then more promises will be made and the praise will be reignited. They just never learn.

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trooper_71d ago

Only a delusional person would think exclusives isn't a justifiable reason to own a console aside from multiplats.

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trooper_71d ago

And they would be delusional as well.

Plenty of people want to see what the console they buy can do aside from multiplats.

SCW198271d ago

I think you misunderstood my comment. I wasn’t saying exclusives aren’t important. They are extremely important but there are reasons to have a console aside from them.

chiefJohn11771d ago (Edited 71d ago )

I can tell you, not everyone buys for exclusives or even play exclusives. I know COUNTLESS ps gamer that don't own a single exclusive and if you were to ask them "you have bloodborne?" or "you plan to buy Death stranding?" They'd have 0 clue what you're talking about. Madden CoD and 2k lol that all the gaming talk I hear from them. Oh and now fortnite, that game has taken over.

BiggerBoss71d ago

@reaprr

What OTHER reason do you want a console for?

If you JUST want the BEST version of multiplat games, then PC is the obvious way to go.

PS4 is the way to go if you want incredible exclusives and good multiplats.

Xbox is the way to go if you want crappy exclusives and middle-tier multiplats.

trooper_70d ago

@SCW: True but for most people, they always ask about the games before buying a console. I wanted XB1 for Killer Instinct but I wasn't going to buy a system for literally one game I liked. So I went with the PS4 because it had more games and stronger exclusives.

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Prince_TFK71d ago

The world, and the entire gaming industry, are big enough to accommodate more than just one console. Even if people don’t like a particular console, that doesn’t mean it should die. There is always a market for that particular console.

These people here are very entitled, if its not for them, then it should just die. If only one console exist in the world, how would it be good for the industry?

Wotbot71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

Agree

Look how arrogant Sony where with the PS3, with out the 360 you would have still been paying a crazy amount for it, and all the lies that went with it.

snkiworld71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

Without Games?

SCW198271d ago

@xracerx

How old are you to be so misinformed?

SCW198271d ago

@xtaz

Thanks for making me laugh extremely hard. With that logic the only thing that should exist because of performance is PC.

hulk_bash198771d ago (Edited 71d ago )

In all seriousness Microsoft has their fanbase and they are what keeps the Xbox brand alive. They just need to invest in more first party studios. Thay have the hardware part down in spades. It's the software they need to focus on. Hopefully we see that at E3 and moving forward.

Realms71d ago

That's great but MS has given gamers who haven't bought into there marketing zero reasons a side from more pixels to want an xbox one x. I understand preference nostalgia even fondness for a particular brand, but it's getting harder and harder to justify owning an xbox one only over a PS4 or Switch. Even the most powerful argument goes out the window when you have the xbox one still on the market kind of hypocritical when it also delivers in most cases the worst experience in terms of performance.

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rainslacker70d ago

Ms got me interested in the brand early when Spencer took over. I brought my first x box, after a couple of generations of being indifferent or too wrapped up in other consoles. There was a very positive vibe for the brand at the time, and I thought Spencer would do well because I've always figured him to be more inclined to deliver games, than worry about pr speak.

Less than 6 months later, they announced going multi plat with qb, cancelled scalebound, and stopped showing new games, all with the excuse that they would wait closer to release. Now, a couple years later, I'm still waiting to see those promising titles we were promised.

It's not the first console ihe ever been disappointed in, but it's certainly the biggest disappointment, mainly because there is no real reason it should be going like this. The reason it is going like this is because it's ms, and I should have remembered that before buying the console, because I've known how ms operates long before they got into yhthe console business.

SuperSonic9170d ago

PS4 already have the bigger competitor than Xbox: PC and Mobile gaming

tontontam070d ago

Oh I thought idiot people like you are extinct, where I'm from everyone knows that owning a gaming pc is as convenient as owning consoles. so they base their choices on what games they want to play. and it turns out that those who bought consoles chose consoles because of the exclusives games.

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cbuc112571d ago

100% agree on all points here.

BiggerBoss71d ago

Unless Microsoft were lying, then the power of the Cloud will make the Xbox One 4x more powerful.

So CLEARLY, there's no reason to upgrade unless Microsoft were lying.

The_Jackel71d ago

which from their records, im guessing they were lying like normal

chrisx71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

xbox is basically a 3rd party console now

Sgt_Slaughter71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

My One S has essentially become the console I buy a game for if it's significantly cheaper (more than $10 or so) and doesn't have a PS4 Pro upgrade patch. Everything else is PS4/Switch.

Cueil71d ago

why don't you own an X then?

BiggerBoss71d ago

@cueil
Why WOULD he buy an Xbox One X? Just to play the same games at a slightly higher resolution?

jent71d ago

@BiggerBoss Couldn't you have said the same thing about the decision to purchase a PS4 over an Xbox One in 2013? It may be different today given the few really amazing exclusives in the last couple of years on PS4, but it didn't start that way.

chobit_A5HL3Y70d ago

i only use my xb1 to watch youtube now. the games pass is a good feature but i didn’t continue it after the 14 day trial expired. halo is terrible now, but i have to say that i still enjoy gears horde mode. i got subnautica, which is a good game, but not a system seller. you knew ms was doomed when they let scalebound go.

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Unspoken71d ago

Yep, the PS4 no longer holds the title for the best place to play 3rd party titles. It lost the title quite a while ago.

rainslacker70d ago

A while ago being less than a year now?

crazyCoconuts71d ago

"To me that feels more like a marketing tactic for someone who is very far behind its competition rather than a coherent vision for the future."
I think that's what's really going on. You can't take Phil Spinster too seriously. Minecraft has a different history, but MS isn't stupid - they're not going to release Forza on PlayStation.

Nodoze71d ago

At this point....why not release Forza on the Playstation? I am being serious. The game would probably sell at least a few hundred thousand copies (maybe more). Perhaps the competition would spur Polyphony to speed things up (slowest developer EVER).

ILostMyMind71d ago

Because, as has been said before, this is all just pr of those who can not beat the competitor.

Zerobalance71d ago

If you want to play Forza get an Xbox or buy a gaming PC. Simple! Maybe you will understand what MS is going for choice.

PhoenixUp71d ago

Does anybody still think that Microsoft would invest billions of dollars into cultivating a hardware brand just to later bow out?

-Foxtrot71d ago

Well I mean they could always use the brand to slowly transition into something else...try and keep as many of their audience as they can. It kind of feels all this gen has been for to be honest and why we haven't had many new investments with first party studios and exclusives...because they don't plan to stay where they are too long so they see it as a waste, just hold off until next gen as much as they can. But you know, speculation, speculation.

gamerzero71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

It wouldn't be the first thing Micrsoft spent billions on only to cancel. Zune Pocket PC XP Tablets Windows Phone Nokia only cost them 8 billion ect.

Xbox could easily be next.

The reality is Microsoft would be more profitable selling there services on other devices, the only thing keeping them tied to hardware is pride at this point.

blackblades71d ago

Maybe so, if their next couple of consoles goes the the same route as xbo did with sells then they might just go the software only route like sega.

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GrubsterBeater71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

@j-blaze

People like you will never get it, apparently...

MS makes a ton of money. This is true. Then you have a subsidiary of MS called XBox....

Just because MS makes a ton of money, that doesn't equate to XBox making a ton of money. If XBox diesnt make MS a nice return on the investment, then MS may not want to continue funneling money into a failing venture. Not only that, but it's fairly obvious that XBox is not doing well, or they would be taking more risks by developing more new IPs or anything new that is in any way a risk. If they WERE making a ton at XBox, then the investors would be mire inclined to agree to forking over more money to XBox' s new IPs, etc.

XBox does NOT equal MS, and MS money does NOT equal XBox money.

I still don't understand how delusional fanboys like you STILL can't seem to grasp of fathom this concept yet, even after having been told this many, many times on N4G and most likely elsewhere.

We get it, MS is a very rich company, but if XBox keeps sucking so bad like they are currently or worse, then you may see XBox disappear from the hardware space at best, and disappear completely at worst.

ImGumbyDammit71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

@GrubsterBeater "People like you will never get it, apparently... " Oh, please tell us oh wise one. What an arrogant putz. First. Xbox made around a billion in profit for Microsft last year. Sure, not cloud money or Office mulah. But, it is a growing biz. A profit is still a profit and anything around a billion is a lot of money (even for a company that pulls in more profits yearly then the market cap of Sony). Satya wants more of that 100+ billion and growing gaming industry and Xbox is one of the easiest ways to get it. And it also allows them to sell their Azure Gaming tech to developers. A win-win for Microsoft and Satya. Comparatively, Nintendo only made $1.34 billion in profits companywide for the first year of the "widely successful" Switch. And gaming for Sony only made a profit $1.64 billion for the company. So, yeah relative to the size Microsoft, Xbox & gaming can seem like chump change. But compared to others like Nintendo's whole company profit (3DS, Switch, and all their other products and divisions) and Sony who has twice the sales of consoles to depend on the Xbox is doing just as well if not better on the revenue end of things with half the PS4 console population to lean on.

Second, Satya likes gaming. Myerson the former boss of everything Windows (including gaming at Microsoft) did not value it, Allways putting the desktop OS ahead of everything. Satya fired him a few months ago. Then promoted Phil to VP and put him in the 12 person group that determines future direction within the whole company. Now Phil Spencer reports directly to the CEO. They also moved Xbox/Gaming to their own separate division away from Windows. Increased their budge quite a bit. Phil and Xbox no longer have to fight Windows group and other VPs to get only scraps left over.

So, maybe it is you who should take off that PS4 fanboy rose colored glasses you are wearing.

chiefJohn11771d ago (Edited 71d ago )

The fact you're missing is Xbox is profitable unlike those. You don't have to finish 1st to make money. Xbox would've been shut down otherwise. MS rakes in over 2 billion off gold subs alone. This is why they're focused on active users