Sony's Simon Pilgrim has been recently investing time in the "znver1" AMD first-generation Zen CPU support within LLVM. Simon has been a programmer for Sony for the past decade.
It has begun
For some people,yes.
Sony Interactive CEO president said it officially in an economic conference that PS4 is starting its final cycle ...PS5 is indeed on the horizon
PS5 will be announced at E3 2019, shown off at E3 2020, and released holiday 2020. I do not see them releasing it without the pro having a solid 3 years on the market, especially since the PS4 is still selling like a beast. This will also allow for a cheaper price point. Yes it had begun, but there is still a bit morw time before it gets here. In any case, Sony has given us a lot to look forward to.
Lets hope Sony goes all in with the ps5
Have they ever not gone all in on a console?
The Pro... Well to me that was not "All in" and more of, hey we made another PS4 but stacked the GPU and slightly overclocked the CPU and here ya go lol. Im not complaining since that is the PS4 I own, but I hope the PS5 is a 6-8tflop GPU, 8 core 3.0ghz+ and 16gb of RAM (8gb DDR4 and 8gb GDDR5)
Gutz That was smart by Sony they were able to release the pro a year early and capatilize on the market because of that ms can't release Xbox 2 alongside ps5 Xbox x just came out so the earliest we can see next Xbox is 2020 or more than likely 2021 while Ps5 may come in 2019and have the whole next generation market to itself If you don't think that's important look at Xbox 360. Being first in the market means publishers will ignore your install base which will be double compared to Xbox 2 by the time it comes out
@Sitdown: In terms of hardware I'd say that the PS4 was quite restrained when compared to release models of all previous PlayStations. If MS had not gimped the XB1 with Kinect and released a GPU on par with the PS4 then things might be different today. The Cell CPU is still better than the mobile CPU used in both the PS and XB.
@sitdown I’d say they have gimped consoles but that’s because it took 4 systems until we weren’t having consoles lacking RAM. @Amstrad MS wouldn’t have had a better console without Kinect. They were basing their future on the clouds
@ Amstrad The X1 was more on Par with PS4 before they unveiled it, Don't you remember how shocked everyone was when Sony announced 8gb of GDDR5? The original was supposed to be 4gb GDDR5 which is why it was a big deal when they changed it. X1 was originally supposed to use 8gb of DDR4 instead of DDR3 but they could not get there hands on the chip set to line up with production. its all russian roulette and I liked the idea of Kinect, even when it was for just using it for commands or me walking in the room saying Xbox on, or me using it as my Twitch cam. Sucks they disabled almost every feature and straight killed it on X by not even providing a port for it :/
$400 is the sweet spot, Lets not become overly ambitious and end up killing our dreams. We may end up with a super powerful console that they can't afford to sell at a mass market price.
Let's not forget. Sony went all in and then some on the PS3.
If your talking about hardware I hope they go all in at a price that can be afforded...
I read that in Shang Tsung's voice, lol.
Sony to MS: Your soul is mine.
Havent they had enough yall? Right now Xbox is the little npc guy you done dragged in teh roller coaster tycoon 1x1 square hole, and the NPC dug it for you!
Finally! We need better CPU's in these consoles, 4k and HDR is nice but man, I want 60 fps too and we can't get that without a decent CPU in most open world games
Shang Tsung? Is that you?
i generally have no clue about processors etc. but thats a gd thing.. right? for us i mean
Ryzen is leaps and bounds ahead of the Jaguar tech we have in the ps4. I can assure you of that.
This is great news.
Hellz yes it is.
Ryzen tech is what gaming PCs are using now.
Good but, not unexpected. It would have been a shocker if an APU for any console arriving in next few years was not based on AMD's Ryzen CPU
With a ryzen cpu open world games would run much better, higher fps all around as well, it's very good news.
It's good news. What's surprise though is, that it isn't Ryzen2. Ryzen2 is potentially available now, while Ryzen2 is a 2019 target (at least)
Nice, but there is no news. Everyone already knew that the new consoles would use Ryzen. What we do not know is which Ryzen generation will be used.
I believe it will be custom made. Probably with either Zen+ or Zen 2 tech.
No, everyone just felt it was a no brainer, it'd be stupid not to use this breakthrough. This news is just a step closer to confirmation
Probably a Zen 2 and Navi at 7nm, around 12-15TF for sure. $499. And if i had to bet, i'd say Xbox "next" and PS5 will have near IDENTICAL hardware like PS4/XBO. If Microsoft absorb $100 (they can, they are a rich company) and sell it for $399 we will have competition in next gen.
15TF? One can dream, i guess.
MS shareholders might have something to say about that. They're consoles have never been a bargain. Never.
And I'll still buy a ps5. No point in saving a hundred bucks with nothing great to play.
MS still has crappy first party offerings so Sony will win like every gen
Not going to be Navi. Stop with that. Navi isn't even being released to OEM's being used in card development until the end of this year. Which means $500+ cards where AMD wants to make a profit not the chump change they make off of APUs. Those cards GPU based cards won't even be out until Spring 2019. The pricing for an Navi APU will not be on target for 2020 $399 console. Just the GPU chip alone (no CPU) would be closer to the price of a console in 2019. A $399 console needs the APU (the CPU+GPU) to be around $140. And scaling for the power and heat requirements of the Navi APU will not begin until mid-2019. Those usually start very low (just look at Vega APUs which are now making the way to APU and started scaling but only at 1.75TFLO for a $160 APU with a 6TFLOPS expected later this year and processing power scaled up late 2019 early 2020). Sony will be working with something that will be ready for sure if they plan on having something in 2020. The Vega which also going to be 7nm and can handle 11TFLOPS of the rumored PS5 specs and as mentioned is in the process of scaling up capabilities of that chipset and should be quite ready mid-2020 for large-scale production and would definitely allow the APU price point to hit $140 by that time. Of course, this does not mean whatever Sony does for a GPU cannot have tech from Navi (the already use tech from Navi in the Pro GPU). It just won't be a true Navi chip Absorb? You think Sony absorbs their profit and Microsoft doesn't. Microsoft was more expensive in 2013 because they went with that Kinect 2 (which added $100). By breakdown estimates at the time they both companies made about $20-30 off each console. It they both bring out the same hardware based APU at the same time both will be around $399. If Sony brings it out a year, which is possible (because of the different mid-gen releases) then we are talking a different game on power, not MSRP. Or if Microsoft decided to up their game and still go $499 and release at the same time will be not because they are not willing to make less money but because they are upping the ante in power ($100 extra in any console can mean a lot of extras on a tight console budget). I know it is not popular but, I wish Sony would make the PS5 $499. It would allow them to increase the power and put more into storage.
Cmv38 "And I'll still buy a ps5. No point in saving a hundred bucks with nothing great to play." You will save much more than just a hundred bucks if you don't have to buy all those great sony exclusives.🤣
Not without software. Current situation shows everyone that. Even if the x was cheaper it wouldn't matter. Not with god of war, spiderman, last of us 2 etc etc
Omg.. Another article... I'm betting it's only gonna get worse as the years go on. I bet by next year we'll see a next gen article 3 times a day.
Well make a note In Your calendar and stay clear of them
And I bet you'll be there to comment on each one wondering why these articles keep popping up
Same thing happened with Project Scrapio, its par for the course, its all part of gaming. People are excited to hear about the next big thing.
Yeah, but realisticly, it's probably 2 years away at the moment, I do not want to see n4g cluttered with these articles for so long.
People still believe it's that far out, huh? If this is Ryzen based, there is even a chance it'll release this year. Now, I think it won't. Sony will repeat the PS4 launch with a real in February and release for the holidays 2019. First generation will probably be moderately faster, don't thing 2019 or even 2018 will surpass 10Tf but a Pro after 3 years will. This most likely will have multiple iteration factored in from the start.
How is it getting "worse". It's always fun times before a new console releases.
Its safe to say that the PS5 will be the worlds most powerful console maybe 2-3xs the power of the PS4/PRO they'll deliver on the power of the console and their exclusives combined they can very well win the console war once again.
I dunno. MS learnt a big lesson this gen. I think the hardware, at least, will not be underpowered compared to Sony's offering. They have shown they can make excellent t hardware with the X
Microsoft didn't learn any lesson they released the Xbox One then people hyped the Xbox One S because it does limited 4k and has a 4k blu ray player nobody really cares about it. Xbox One X hasn't shown me anything that makes me want one Microsoft has 0 good games State of Decay 2 isn't good Sea of Thieves isn't good I seen games on PS4PRO that look amazing. I think Microsoft is going to end up just like SEGA sure they have more money than Sony and Nintendo but Sony and Nintendo are dominating Microsoft with their hardware and franchise sales. The Xbox One X isn't excellent hardware people compared it to top of the line PCs it does checkerboarding just like the PS4PRO Xbox fans were on Sony because PS4PRO does it but now that Xbox One X does it it's fine that's insane.
"MS learnt a big lesson this gen.". 😂😂🤣 Apparently, not. Neither their users.
"But is AMD really the best fit as Sony's technology partner for a new machines?" Given the PS4's architecture, of course. Why reinvent the wheel? "While system architect Mark Cerny told us that Sony favours the traditional console generation model - opening the door to a clean break for a new machine with a dramatically different hardware make-up . . ." One doesn't imply the other. You can have a generational leap without abandoning a great architecture, or leaving behind an entire library of good games. x86 is well-known to both hardware and software professionals, yielding the most efficient, cost-effective path to development of both. " . . . the ability to combine Ryzen x86 CPU architecture and Radeon graphics into a single chip (and to license both key components from a single vendor) has great advantages in terms of economy, ease of development and cross-platform compatibility." There you go. You get it.
Have you met SONY they always rebuilt wheels in the past!
Well, an intel combo would still be compatible with the PS4. No uma indeed, but one could build an i7/Navi base platform
Finally a good CPU as such as the Ryzen . 16 threads = 16 cores. Actaully, its 8 actual cores and 8 vitraul core housed in to one processor. Vitural cores has improved a lot to the point of having an actaul core. In the past vitual core weren't equal to actual cores and did not run as fast as actual cores, but now it does. I'm glad.
Considering it will still be the mobile version of the CPU it won't be that much of a leap especially since the PS5 will most likely target $399. I suspect we will see the same amount of cores in the PS5 with a CPU similar to the AMD Ryzen 3 2300U. A good CPU but nothing like it's Desktop counterparts, it's just better than the Jaguar, not a lot better.
Mobile CPU will never be as fast as a desktop CPU due to the higher voltage desktop CPU requires. But one thing that is for sure, the CPU that is going to be inside the PS5 will be a lot better than the Jaguar CPU the PS4 has under the hood. Plus, keep in mind that the 7nm processor the PS5 will have will most likely be clocked higher per core than the 16nm finfet CPU cores PS4 uses. So yeah, the predicted PS5 CPU/GPU won't be on the level of a desktop CPU/GPU but it will/should perform much closer to the desktop counterparts than it did this Gen.
Zen CPU's are all exactly the same architecture (gen 2 has some improvements over gen 1). The only difference is how many cores/threads are enabled per cluster. All Zen chips have 2 clusters, 3 is 4 cores 2 per cluster 5 is 6c/12t 3c per cluster 7 is 8c/16t 4c per cluster U/G have dedicated graphics U is optimized for power efficiency. It's unlikely they will use the laptop variant it's not cheaper per core and since the device has a fixed power supply there is no need for power savings.
I'm not trying to be rude, but Ryzen 7 has 8 cores and 16 threads. A thread is not the same as a core. A core with two threads can run two tasks in parallel at essentially 50% each. The real benefit is that if you have a task that uses less than full power you can efficiently use the second thread to do something else thus optimizing the total workload.
Technically there are the same. Look it up. Ok, the only reason they claim 8 because there are actual cores and should be advertises as such because it would be considered false advertisement. Back in the days, virtual cores did not mean much to anyone because it was slow. virtual cores Has greatly improved over the years and now VC runs just as good as an actual cores. This bring the cost down by half(or close to it).
This was a limitation of the first hyperthreaded cores. These hw thread are indeed twice as many threads per core. Pipeline efficiency basically runs them in parallel
Guys having two treads does not increase the calculations of a CPU. I own a R7 and I do video editing, and I can assure you having 16 threads does not significantly lower render time over just using the basic 8 cores. 8 cores and 16 threads is not IN ANY WAY the same as having 16 cores.
What this news seems to say its that Sony is preparing BC for the PS5.
No reason why the ps5 won't have BC for ps4.
Psp2 confirmed. PS5 to have 64tflopZ
I think MS is going to release around the same time even when the X is only 2 yrs old. Kinda curious what "secret sous" will there be.
well ms is known for screwing their customers so....
How are they screwnig me? I own both the Pro and X. I feel my money on the X has been a much better investment. And since both were designed (according to both Sony and Microsoft not fanboys trying to up each other) for the more affluent gamer then spending another $399-$499 a few years later really doesn't screw me over because I have the money (like most people buying these consoles over their base). Now if Microsoft transitions the X down to a base unit (remember no more generations) than it will replace my Xbox One base unit in my other room and play next-gen games while the nex-gen takes on the living room. And if Sony can somehow do the same with the less powerful Pro and make it run next-gen games at the low end then I will do the same with that box and move it to my study as well. But, if you bought a premium console expecting it to the only thing from either company in 3 years time then you probably shouldn't have bought a mig-gen console.
It's very unlikely that MS will release yet another console anytime soon.
Yes no rush I want ps5 to be a significant leap, more than happy with ps4 anyway thanks. When ps5 comes I'll be there don't worry about that.