Cris is back talking about the few good aspects of Final Fantasy VIII and XIII.
What was wrong with number 8? 13 had a good storyline but the gameplay was something that shouldn't have happened. Game was in development for ps2 then moved over to next gen if i remember correctly
I find it HILARIOUS they are making out FFVIII and FFXIII are like games on a similar level FFVIII was considered bad at the time just because it was nitpicked to death by mostly new fans who were p***** that it wasn't a direct sequel to FFVII...especially after that games "500 years later" ending. People wanted more and didn't realise each FF game told a different story in a brand new world with different characters and themes. So people nitpicked it to death and bigged up the flaws despite the fact each FF game has it's own flaws. Word still spreads today as it's been circling since before the internet was a big thing. FFVIII is actually a fantastic game and honestly in some ways is better then FFVII, sure it dosen't have the same impact but that along with FFIX did things better. FFXIII on the other hand is just a really bad FF game with legit reasons.
or...it's possible there were some legit reasons for disliking FF8? like the damned junction system and the story and setting were different from what players expect from a FF game. I don't hate FF8 but I can understand why some don't like it, they don't have to be butthurt FF7 fans.
Like I said there's issues with every FF game so nitpicking some and making a huge deal about them only to let others go right over you because you like that game more is a bit bias. Junction System - First it's really complicated and people moan on about that yet the next it's "the junction system can really be exploited to get you 9999 health and attack easy". So what is it Draw System - "I always, ALWAYS have to draw in battle"...you really don't because there's pink draw spots dotted around the map and later on during the game you can go to the Island of Heaven and Hell to mine magic draw points. I never once drew magic in battle and survived the game. Squall is an emo - For like the start of the game sure he's moody and down but it tells you why during the story and who can blame the guy. Considering he had some of the best main character development in a FF game you slowly see him change from a lonely, selfish jerk to a brave heroic leader who finally gets past his issues and lets the one he loves in. Cloud went all down and "emo" during FF7 when he was like "who am I" and did it a few times but no one said a thing. You go more into Squalls past then you do with most other characters. GF memory issues - I can understand this plot point but a few people did mention it and I'm sure when you equip you GF's at the start of the game in the class room and log into the computer it talks about how people go on about memory loss, pushing unnecessary information out Orphanage - Can't really defend this, it's one of those "WTF" Final Fantasy plot points but every game has them lets be honest. Cool idea, bad execution. Why not destroy Dr. Odine's Junction System for Ellone and ruin Ultimecia plan - It's one of those timey wimey things lets be honest, it is time travel after all. Paradoxes and the like who knows.
I didn't find the Junction system too bad, I mean I played it at the age of 13 and understood the system reasonably well and exploited it.
Nothing. 8 was actually considerably better than 7 and right up there with 9.
Like... That's your opinion man, and I'm happy you found a FF game you enjoyed so much, but like... Better than 7?... Well, it doesn't matter. FF9 was great. >:D
I agree. I enjoyed FF8 far more than 7. I think FF7 has the strong nostalgia effect giving people rose tented glasses when looking back at the title.
I don't know... As soon as I saw that little yellow bird in the black dude's afro, the game kind of lost me... it was something like the Falcien ruling over Cocoon, and the evil Cieth or something like that... And Snow was such a wussy
Final Fantasy XIIIs core story was good, but pacing and dialogue sucked
Cie,cie,cie,cie,cie+ big evil pope monster= good Storyline ?
I second this. VIII is actually my favorite, against all odds. XIII could've been great if the whole game was like chapter 11.
Nothing was wrong with 8. I never actually heard anyone say it was bad, just people that say it wasn't as good as VII, but even that is hotly debated. XIII I have to disagree with you on, as the combat was good, just not for most of the game. You had to fight the harder enemies to really get to the good stuff with it. The story was good, and it's only real shortcoming on that front was that it was poorly presented. I don't recall XIII being in development for PS2. XII came out kind of near the end of the PS2 gen. I think it was stripped of content for release, because once it became open, it just seemed barren. Many assume that was because they decided to release it on the 360 as well, and it was limited by the DVD media that it used. That's speculation though, and it's also just possible they just didn't complete the game....which isn't that uncommon, as FFXV feels much the same way.
I loved 8, 13 was eh.
FFVIII was different, but a great game. FFXIII however was trying to copy FFX's success and failed hard
Bingo. I just got bored with 13. A FF game and I got bored with it. That never happened before.
FF13 held your hand for FAR too long. It was like they expected it to be every players's first RPG. They're were still basic features locked to you halfway through the game. Simple shit. If they would have let you go by say Chapter 2 or 3 it would have gone a long way towards making the game better. It also would've made battles less of a chore. Also, a simple strafing system would have done wonders for the combat. They wanted to make it an action/turn based system but didn't go far enough. You couldn't control your character at all while waiting to attack. The odd thing is, your character moves on their own[drifting left or drifting right]. Often times, they would drift directly into the enemies attack[when they were targeting someone else]. Would have been much easier to allow you to choose the direction they character drifted when it wasn't your time to attack. Would have added some actual "Action" to the action/turn based fighting system.
You got that right.
8 was my favorite one xD
my favourite too
Not my favorite but I enjoyed it immensely. Better than 7.
8 was great.
I’ve always heard the story of VIII was great but I dropped off quickly due to gameplay elements. Lack of standard progression and guardian spamming led to dull battles :(
The greatest thing about FF8 is that you can approach it any way you choose, and all options are equally viable. Guardian spamming was YOUR choice. Don't blame the game for your bad decisions.
Turn that passion into a compelling argument about why the game rules. It’s more effective than attempts at putting someone’s opinion down ;)
Everything about your reply makes absolutely no sense. It was a compelling argument, supported by a solid example. And I was critiquing your gameplay choices, not your opinion.
Why are you lumping VIII in with XIII? There's a huge difference in gameplay quality. VIII is a classic, XIII is a failed experiment in casualisation for newer generations.
I enjoyed FF13's battles they were fun, the graphics were amazing and some of the characters were likeable. It's not the best in the series by a long shot but it's not a bad game at all.
ff13 was good i liked it. ff8 was wonderful, my favourite too
Thought 13 had a convoluted story-line. It was super linear, The upgrade system was too straightforward. The only noteworthy part about the game is being on Gran Pulse, at least there it felt like a final fantasy game.
Actually 8 was stellar and 13 was actually pretty good. I enjoyed the natural evolution of turned based combat with Paradigm shifts, the graphics and soundtrack, Lightning (don’t care what people say) was a great character. The story could have been better but looking back it actually feels like a Final Fantasy whereas FF15 strays way too far.
Also FF13 gets slammed for all the corridor sections but I think people have a short term memory. FF7-FF10 (especially 10) had a lot of corridor sections that were pretty linear (an overused term in RPGs) but those sections helped drive the story forward. Being completely wide open isn’t always a great thing. Sometimes it can weaken a story. Also I’ll bring up Paradigm shifting again because people always talk about how much they enjoy turned based combat. PS was a great battle system for causuals and got really deep for the hardcore tactical fans. Unfortunately with the push for more real time active battle systems by square the chances of us going back to systems like that are slim.
The paradigm system is why I actually felt the FFXIII battle system was pretty good. It added in a bit of quick reaction to the turn based nature of combat. It came at the cost of more traditional turn based combat where you actually had time to pick stuff that would be most effective, and I think SE should have tuned it more so you didn't just hit x for the suggested action, or spam attacks or magic. Learning what to do to stagger and then switching for powerful attacks from enemies was how the battle system was designed, and I think that's why it got so much heat, because people wanted more turn traditional turn based. I think they improved on the action nature of the ATB system with FFXV, but it lacked some of the depth that the paradigm system offered. I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but that's just how I felt about it. I accept that I'm probably in a minority in my feelings for the battle system....but I'm also in the minority who can give the game credit as decent enough when you stopped looking at it as a Final Fantasy game.
Lol, comparing 8 and 13 is like comparing apples to baseball bats. They have absolutely nothing in common with each other. I wasn't even aware that some people don't like 8 but if that is the case it's probably just because it came right after 7 which was the best in the series and one of the best of all time. Of course the next game would have a lot to live up to and for me it wasn't as good as 7 but it's still easily one of my favorites and probably in my top 10 all time. 13 was better than 12 but there aren't really any FF's after X that I would consider "great".
Only thing wrong with VIII, was a moderately bad "junction system", and a slightly over-emo main protagonist. Aside from that, VIII was stellar. XIII is just trash on multiple levels. I don't wanna get started, or I'd be here all day.
By moderately bad I presume you mean incredibly in-depth and amazing.
putting those two titles under the same headline should be a crime. 8 was glorious.. 13 was hot garbage.
Somebody said 8 was bad? 8 is probably one of my favorite ps1 memories. I loved that modern futuristic world with fantasy elements. Teen Angst and some School life. I loved gaming the systems and man Triple Triad is THE best in game card game EVA. Gwent is cool but man did I live Triple Triad. Not to mention with Card Refine the card game brought real benefits in the regular game. Refine a few Alexander’s (after winning him back from the card club on Ragnarok) into Hero Drinks. Take Hero Drinks and make Holy War. Take Holy Wars cast Aura on everybody and smash Ultimecia and any other boss. Great Game.
Final Fantasy 8 is amazing, 13 is meh Why the hell would anyone even group these together. Final Fantasy 8 is a damn classic.
8 was the best. Best card game, best main character development, beat dance scene, great music, best weapon/gunblade. Watching all those kids who played FF7 as their first JRPG whine brought joy to my soul.
It really did have a lot going for it, I can’t remember as many memorable things in FVII. FFVIIII had... The opening The dance scene The Garden Battle The OST which sounded unique Some of the best weapons Characters felt like actual teenagers The ending was beautiful The best mini game (Cards) First game for a theme song (Eyes on me)
FFVIII is a fantastic game and one of the best FF games. On the other hand FFXIII sucks.
Gotta love self validating headlines. 13 was one of my favorites but at the very least better than 15
Who said 8 was bad? Lol 13 was trash tho.
8 was good. 13 was very disappointing, but it wasn't terrible if you take it on it's own merits.
No. FF8 was not all bad.
Unfortunately its key issue, namely dyscognitive narrative, has been an ongoing issue since the very first FF. Was forgivable then because of 8 bit presentation, but became a problem the more "realistic" or cinematic the series became. Till FF13 where it's negatively effected all aspects of game design. Same with FF15. The only exemption to that was FF9 which offered solid, properly defined, foundations for world setting and plot.
Why you are putting 8 in 13 position?!!! We could argue if 8 is in a position to compete with 6 7 9 10. but 13 is hardly better than FF Type0 and FFXIV 1.0 I mean XIII is in position of FFII just a bad product with lost potentials, thats why the sequels didn't sell good because FFXIII was so bad to consider it again. FFXIII 2007 trailer was amazing but SE lately have this altituide of making thing so medicore comparing to the trailers XV 2013 and FFXIII 2007 are great example.
I don't get why people think 10 was so great. That being said, I've never been able to get past the awful f*cking voice acting, so I've never been able to play it long enough to truly experience the game.
How dare you lump 8 in with 13. I mean at least 8 felt like a Final Fantasy and I don’t care what anyone says it’s a damn fantastic entry into the series... now 13, while playable is ultimately forgettable and if it never existed I wouldn’t feel like there’s a loss.
Final Fantasy VIII was trash and literally the worse mainline title imo. I hate nothing more than these 2 things that completely ruined that game for me. The Junction system being a spammable joke, and active mode not even being active. I like effort in a battle system, in that it's like they didn't even look it over. It is just a complete disaster and battles become pointless. Only reason to battle in 8 to me is the amazing battle theme that's one of the best main battle themes in FF. Now FFXIII is actually one of my favourite Final Fantasy's for the same reason. Final Fantasy's battle system is a progression of the time based system presented in IV and used until IX. It was amazing and I always played in active mode. It was always something going on in battle and even battles that basically feel impossible can usually be done if done right. To be honest, I don't know if wait mode is different at all in FFXIII but the games battles were always active and required fast reactions etc. The linear early game was mostly fine imo for the simple fact of what's going on. It was a shame when they got to towns that they couldn't stop and you get a traditional town sequence, but it made sense the way they did it. I understand the story and it was perfectly fine. Not the best FF story, but Lightning has become one of my favs. Definitely has issues, but people who make the issues to be alot worse than a broken essential system to the game are missing a point. IMO FFIX is the best hands down, but FFXIII has one of the best battle systems and being in pulse is just a fresh gaming feel
Likes 13, dislikes 8. Opinion null.
Owns every single mainline FF but 11 which I don't consider counting though I have 14 I own all 3 Dissidia's I hate FFT so I own none I own Type 0 I own kingsglaive and advent owned crisis core own crystal chronicles own FFX-2 FFXIII-2, and Lightning Returns Own World of FF on both PS4 and Vita Have downloads of FF1-X-2 on Vita Own physical PS1 disc of FFIX , PC rerelease download, PS4 download, PS1 classic, same amount of copies of VII apart from pc download I Own Physical PS1 of VIII, and the PS1 classic own FF explorers have that trashy side scrolling one for FFXV On FFX as a PS2 title, PS Vita, PS4 and the same versions of FFX-2 of course Own all kingdom hearts (mentioned only because FF characters are involved in the series to an extent) Do I need to keep going. I think someone who bought this much FF has a valid point. Unlike someone who can't understand that not everyone is okay with a broken game that doesn't have a properly functioning active mode. But can like a game that has a alot of linearity but you can actually use a properly made battle system.
Most of its bad, the games artists did most of the leg work, I don't know wtf went on with those that were in charge of the games level and character design though A pretty hallways with some of the most dullest, lifeless and infuriating game characters I've ever came a cross in a videogame The poster child of graphics taking priority over everything else in a videogame's development
Why are you lumping FF8/13 together? Everyone knows FF8 is a great game, I've never heard someone say it sucked personally, or at least I can't recall ever hearing it atm. And yes, FF13 was horrible. A giant diversity agenda invisible hallway that started a trend of REAL games starting to play more like mobile games that more or less played them self to cater to a wider audience while watering the experience. Not to mention it's 3 full priced games just to tell 1 typical Final Fantasy story. Aka 200+ dollars for what we would have gotten for 60-70 bucks with any traditional, "much better", FF game.
Wait since when is FFVIII considered bad? If anything it's one of the best one's.
8 was my first and also my favourite after 7 and they are very close
Wat? FF8 is a masterpiece. How dare they compare it to 13.
I enjoyed 8 alot and 13 ok at times
VIII was not that good, and XIII was not that bad.
13 is clearly bad, 8 is not even bad where the hell did you even get that idea from? 7,8 and 9 are all the best ff tittles.
VIII was never a bad game. It's probably my favourite of the series. The summons were awesome, the soundtrack was really good, the world was full of cool places to see, the plot was interesting, and I really enjoyed the combat. It had its issues, but they didn't affect my enjoyment at all.
Final Fantasy 8 is a masterpiece. Hopefully that gets a PS4 rerelease.
8 was mint. 13.. meh,but 13-2 was great.
XIII was a good game. It even got good review scores. I've played all of the FF games (exception being XV) and XIII was a fine entry to me. Final Fantasy XIII was like Metal Gear Solid V in that it was a great game, but for some reason it got a bandwagon of haters saying it wasn't a good game.
I really love Final Fantasy VIII and i wish they remaster it for PS4 but XIII i didn't like it at all.