Xbox One vs Xbox 360 – VGChartz Gap Charts – February 2018 Update

February 2018 is the 52nd month of the Xbox One being on sale. In the latest month the gap grew in favor of the Xbox 360 by 195,823 units. In the last 12 months the Xbox 360 has grown its lead by 2.44 million units. The Xbox 360 currently leads by 2.33 million.

Both consoles launched in November. The Xbox 360 launched in November 2005, while the Xbox One launched in November 2013. The Xbox One has sold 36.57 million units, while its predecessor the Xbox 360 sold 38.90 million units.

[DarkVoyager]

“The Xbox One has sold 36.57 million units, while its predecessor the Xbox 360 sold 38.90 million units.“

“The Xbox 360 currently leads by 2.33 million.”

Wow at that drop off.
https://ibb.co/cHDQK7

Good job Phil. The downward trend will continue until they restructure and get the people currently running Xbox out. Also get a new team that can actually design a dashboard that isn’t trash.

[lxeasy]

Oh no if this is true they are in bigger trouble than I thought.

[WilliamSheridan]

I hate to say it, but 2 million is not a big deal at all. It's selling comparatively well to the 360. And the 360 was not a flop by any means. Can we move on now?

[Magnetar]

How are they in trouble? Last gen they also had people buying multiple consoles due to the rrod. Which everyone said inflateded their numbers.

[darthv72]

so when are people going to factor in the RRoD? That was all we heard last gen in comparisons between 360 and PS3 so why arent we hearing it this time between 360 and XBO????

[darthv72]

Well MS is not wrong. I mean they counted units sold at retail not units sent in for repairs. I'd guess and say only 50-60% of RRoD cases were sent in to be fixed for free while the rest of the people just went out and bought a replacement unit.

A sale is a sale regardless if it is a first time buyer or someone getting a replacement. But... taking into account the RRoD situation and looking at how the XBO is doing we can see the XBO is doing better than the 360 because there is no such issues to be found this gen like last. So every unit sold is a legit unit sold be it to a first timer or someone who just wanted to upgrade to an S or an X.

Just like on the PS3 and how there is a percentage who sold their fat to get the slim or replaced a defective unit with a new one (seeing as Sony didnt offer free repairs).

[rainslacker]

I'm pretty sure MS doesn't want to bring that up, why should we?

Also, MS never clarified if the repaired units were considered shipped, and they certainly never stated how many people brought new consoles to replace an existing console, so trying to bring it up seems rather counter productive as it's just a guessing game.

[Magnetar]

Not everyone that had the rrod sent theirs in for repair. A majority of console owners are unaware of things like this.

[UltraNova]

Darth,

I cant believe my eyes...so now rrod affected 360 sales? It took you 10+ years but you got there, even if its to defend the xb1...

[darthv72]

@ultra, why does that surprise you? Last gen, when people were calling out the numbers I was saying that a sale is still a sale but in reality we all know there were not 85+ million individuals with 360's. Just as there aren't 85+ million individuals with PS3's or even 150+ million individuals with PS2's.

Come on now... many have admitted to buying multiple units themselves so it should come as no surprise when we see other systems not meet or exceed the number of the former. I have 3 360's myself and 4 PS2's and it happens the reason I have them is because they are variants. And i like collecting variants. No different than a person buying a slim after having a fat unit. They are the same person but each system counts as a unit sold.

It didnt take 10 years, I always believed that but the thing is people wanted to call foul when it came to 360 vs PS3 so why would that change now that it is 360 vs XBO?

[UnHoly_One]

This is hilarious.

Using their own argument against them, only now it doesn't matter because it suits them better this way.

They even go so far as to accuse you of changing your opinion on it, all the while completely oblivious to themselves changing their own tune.

You couldn't script this kind of idiocy.

Well played Sony Fanboys, you made my day.

[Obscure_Observer]

@DarkVoyager

"Good job Phil. The downward trend will continue until they restructure and get the people currently running Xbox out."

Don´t get your hopes up. Phil just got promoted to VP and is now one of the 16 more powerfull men at Microsoft. Phil promoted Matt Booty and now Darrell Gallagher. That´s all of the restructure you´ll get from Phil Spencer for now.

Phil had to clean somebody´s mess before he could come up with his vision for Xbox. The Kinect is gone, tv tv tv, always online and DRM are gone.

With the S and X out in the wild, now Xbox One is all about Phil Spencer vision. And will be that way for the forseable future.

[DarkVoyager]

@Obscure_Observer

“Phil had to clean somebody´s mess before he could come up with his vision for Xbox. The Kinect is gone, tv tv tv, always online and DRM are gone.”

Somebody else’s mess? As if Phil’s done any better.

I didn’t see a lack of exclusives, studios being closed, games being cancelled, and behind over 30 million in sales when Mattrick was in charge.

[Obscure_Observer]

@DarkVoyager

"I didn’t see a lack of exclusives, studios being closed, games being cancelled, and behind over 30 million in sales when Mattrick was in charge."

Yeah, you can blame Phil for that. But i rather have Phil as Xbox Boss over Mattrick any day.

Facts speaks by itself. We got Phil promoted to VP while Mattrick is nowhere to be found in gaming industry.

Like i said; Xbox One is all about Phil Spencer vision. And will be that way for the forseable future. Embrace it or leave it. Is that simple. ;)

[rainslacker]

Cleaning up someone elses mess which was pretty much cleaned up before Mattrick left. They removed all the things that people didn't like under Mattricks reign. The only mess to clean up was in terms of reputation.

Since Spencer took over, they have however, released almost all the games that started under Mattrick, outside the couple they cancelled. Since Spencer took over, I am hard pressed to think of any major AAA title that started under his reign outside the yearly Forza. But I guess we'll hear about those closer to release if you want to believe they aren't announcing stuff too early because that's what everyone wanted....even though no one really cares about that either way.

The only mess Spencer had to clean up was the terrible PR that tarnished MS reputation. It shouldn't have had any impact on MS actual game output. So, the only logical explanations are that Phil is doing a terrible job, or MS did not allow him to do anything with their own first party studios for 3-4 years.

While I really wouldn't want Mattrick back because of his apparent vision, I'm questioning now if that vision was his, or one passed down from MS itself. And it makes me wonder if Phil is just as ineffectual in producing more high profile games because MS just doesn't care anymore. All I can say is that at least under Mattrick, he was getting meaningful games produced. Given that SoT and CD3(with it's cloud tech), Ryse, SSoD, QB, Recore, Ori, etc, all started under him, I'd rather have him back doing that than Spencer with his lackluster 1st/2nd party output which shows almost no signs of improvement in the near future beyond vague promises which are impossible to take seriously since all he can do is make promises.

Phil got promoted because he's doing something that MS wants. Something in MS vision. Given that MS vision for Xbox is to become a service, and not a game producer, I'd say that Spencer is probably worse than Mattrick if all the customer wants is a game console with meaningful 1st/2nd party support.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"Cleaning up someone elses mess which was pretty much cleaned up before Mattrick left. They removed all the things that people didn't like under Mattricks reign. The only mess to clean up was in terms of reputation."

They don´t removed the Kinect and the home entertainment system essence was still there. The damage was done! Xbox One was pretty much DEAD!

Phil Spencer was promoted as Head of Xbox on March 31 2014. On May 5 of the same year, Bill Gates goes public supporting Microsoft to selling off its Xbox division! That pretty much CONFIRMS that, to Microsoft, despite Phil Spencer took over the helm of Xbox Boss for less than 2 months, Xbox division for the higher ups were pretty much DEAD!

So yeah, Nadella and Spencer pretty much SAVED the Xbox and Microsoft gaming division as we know it today!

"Phil got promoted because he's doing something that MS wants. Something in MS vision. Given that MS vision for Xbox is to become a service, and not a game producer, I'd say that Spencer is probably worse than Mattrick if all the customer wants is a game console with meaningful 1st/2nd party support."

"Phil got promoted because he's doing something that MS wants."

Isn´t that obvious? Microsoft is a bussiness first and foremost. All Phil Spencer did was manage to CONVINCE Microsoft that to invest in gaming is worth it!

Play Anywhere - Success
Removal of Kinect - Success
Consistent Support and Updates - Success
Windows 10 Store and Apps compatibility between platforms - Success
Allowing third party services like EA Access - Success
Backwards compatibility - Success
Crossplay - Success
Game Preview (Early Access) - Success
Game Pass - Success
Xbox One S - Success
Xbox One X - Success

All those achievements are part the "something" which helped Phil Spencer made it to to the top!

The fact that Phil Spencer is quiet about new first party games doesn´t mean its not comming or Phil is lying playing coy about it. I belive great bigger AAA games announcements are comming this E3. You don´t belive him? Good! Move on! Phil Spencer is here for the long route.

[r2oB]

@ observer

How are you gauging success? Most of what you listed hasn't translated into boosting console and software sales (at least not by any substantial amount). And most importantly, it hasn't translated into boosting games out put. Their reputation has benefited greatly, I'll give you that, but then I can't play their reputation on my Xbox One. So again, how are you measuring success? Just curious.

[welly300]

Dont laugh but i enjoyed kinect that with a vr unit would have been great. I agree it should never have been bundled at the start.

[FallenAngel1984]

@ Darth

Even with RRoD PS3 still sold at a faster rate with aligned launches.

XO on the other hand is falling further and further behind 360 in the same timespan.

Idk how you could even compare these situations.

[MasterCornholio]

Didn't Kinect help sell a lot of Xbox 360s? That could explain why the Xbox 360 is ahead at around the same time.

[DarkVoyager]

“Didn't Kinect help sell a lot of Xbox 360s? That could explain why the Xbox 360 is ahead at around the same time.“

Kinect hadn’t even gone on sale yet during the time frame in the comparison.

[Godmars290]

Only here they are, well into the tail end of the XB1's cycle. Nothing is going to "turn around" until the next console.

[AmstradAmiga]

Agreed. A company is only as good as its current gen console. MS has a lot of takeaways they can learn from so let's see if they can.

I will also be interested to see what Sony does next gen with VR.

[StormSnooper]

But we knew that. Xbox only makes hard hitting exclusives during the first half of each generation. It’s how they do it. I think they are already gearing up for next generation Xbox at this point.

[Godmars290]

@StormSnooper:

"Xbox only makes hard hitting exclusives during the first half of each generation."

What?

No, really: What?

Seriously, really and honestly need you to think on this, what hard hitting exclusives have MS actually - directly - made? Outside of Halo - a project started before Xbox - Forza - maybe they actually did that, but then, ITS A RACING GAME - or Gears, a recently bought 3rd party IP.

MS's key issue is a seeming inability to produce IPs. Mishandling ones they've bought. So, what exclusives have they actually made?

[DrumBeat]

Agreed on that dashboard. PS4's is much more intuitive. Everything you need is there without the need to page over. Everything's just faster and easier.

[MorpheusX]

@DarkVoyager

I agree.

Some people want to give Phil Spencer credit, for what I'm not sure, imo Phil Spencer doesn't operate independentally, I imagine he answers to MS hire ups.

[PhoenixUp]

Even with Xbox One X out the gap continues to increase.

In fact during Xbox 360’s fifth year it got a slim model and Kinect, so the gap will dramatically increase even further

[Obscure_Observer]

@PhoenixUp

Do you have the numbers to back up your claims? Since the X´s out Xbox One has seen consistent sales numbers.

From NPD:
https://i0.wp.com/www.thexb...

From Microsoft:
https://www.dualshockers.co...

[PhoenixUp]

Do I have numbers? Are you incapable of reading this very article?

It makes it that much sadder that Xbox One sales are up YOY and yet overall sales are still falling further behind its predecessor which didn’t even have a slimline model release yet at this point in its lifecycle.

[Obscure_Observer]

@PhoenixUp

"It makes it that much sadder that Xbox One sales are up YOY and yet overall sales are still falling further behind its predecessor which didn’t even have a slimline model release yet at this point in its lifecycle."

Well, because of Mattrick Xbox as division was supposed to be dead or sold by now if wasn´t for Satya Nadella and Phil Spencer.

Last month Xbox One was the second best selling console in US only behind PS4. Sea of Thieves was supposed to flop because it´s avaliable on PC, Game Pass and at the top of it some retailers simply boycott its retail copies. Happens that i just checked UK´s Top 10 Charts and Retail Sea of Thieves is still there on 6th spot. PUBG is 5th. So much for a digital future for Xbox.

Besides 2 millions difference is not that much. Xbox One could overtake the 360 in a year from now or so. It will really depend on how well Phil Spencer will manage bussines as VP from now on and what Microsoft has in store for Xbox One this E3.

[PhoenixUp]

You’re comparing XO’s performance with its last year’s performance. This article isn’t even talking about that. It’s about directly comparing 360 and XO sales in the same timeframe

2.33 million is a huge difference. Let’s not forget that XO started selling way faster than 360 when it first launched, yet it started to lose steam and fall behind it. No way can this be damage controlled.

The fact that even with a slim model and premium model the XO is selling slower than its predecessor which didn’t have a boost from a slim model yet shows this trend isn’t changing. It’s futile to think it could.

[FallenAngel1984]

At this rate Xbox One would be lucky to sell as well as the NES.

[DivineAssault]

How did Phil get promoted? Now this other guy who makes timed exclusive deals comes in.. I see nothing but greed from that company.. When their games are more diverse ill consider buying again..

[Bathyj]

He wasn't Don Mattrick. That was his big selling point.

For all the crap Don got, he was the guy who made Xbox a profitable entity for the first time since it launched. People forget that. It was billions in the hole before him. Phil has done nothing but not be Don Mattrick and congratulate Sony on everything they're getting right. What a great guy.

They also blame Don for everything that was wrong with Xbox cos he ran it all but claim Phil is just a mouth piece and has no real power. I though that was Major Nelson. How many powerless mouth pieces does this company have?

[DivineAssault]

agreed..

[rainslacker]

Because MS has a vision for the Xbox brand. They want to integrate it into the Windows brand, use it to accelerate the Live ecosystem, and promote the Windows Store, which is integral to how MS wants to succeed with Windows, because they see Google and Apple making bucketloads of money off that, instead of trying to make money off the OS sales, which have been waning for MS.

MS is promoting this through services, with Xbox itself becoming yet another service. The Xbox console itself is just becoming an outlet to that service. it'll still be a game console, but I think it's already apparent the kind of support that MS will continue giving it. Likely the same staple franchises until they stop selling, and GaaS, with very little high profile AAA production beyond that.

Spencer is on board with that, and inexplicably, he's managed to fool his customer base into believing that everything they're doing is great, when to anyone who really steps back and looks at it can see that the Xbox brand is changing beyond what they have come to know thus far.

Since Spencer has managed to do that, MS sees him as a productive member to try and steer that ship, thus gave him a promotion.

It has nothing to do with if the customer base will like where the Xbox brand ends up(which is going to be more like Windows except in a closed off environment which will be akin to Apple's way of doing things across the board).

Its a long road though. It'll be small steps with some big moves here or there. The small steps will go unnoticed by most, and eventually people will look back and wonder what the hell happened, and I'd imagine if streaming becomes more popular in 10-20 years, the Xbox console itself may not even be a thing anymore....if MS can manage to hold their place in the market for that long. One new big competitor in the market could actually do more damage to MS for the long term than Sony or Nintendo, because they'd likely take marketshare away from MS more than Sony or Nintendo would.

[StormSnooper]

Wow your comment blew my mind. I agree completely. Ufortunate for console gaming.

[Deeeeznuuuts]

Okay sales from Microsoft but not good news really, they really need to up their game

[Atticus_finch]

I wish we had the real numbers for Xbox1, I get the feeling they have sold alot less.

[jwillj2k4]

Xbox will forever be in a league of its own. Clearly only competing with itself in the inevitable race to zero.

[ILostMyMind]

Congratulations to Microsoft! They managed to sell as many XBO as they sold X360 in the same period ... how, i have no idea but i know it's US people's fault.

[trooper_]

That's...not a good sign.

[Wotbot]

Good install base, better than anyone would have thought with almost keeping up with the 360.

[Hedstrom]

A console should sell more than its predecessor since there are more people who can buy the console. Unless you have of course failed with youre console.

[FyBy]

Thats not bad at all. Yes, PS4 leads by a huge number, but in absolute numbers XO sells well.

[Alucard_420]

Man!!!! Obscure_Observer has spoken enough in the comments to make 5 articles. Still defends MS like he is part of the US army. Will defend too the very end no matter what the cause.

[Claudinho69]

360 needed way more replacements

[Max-Zorin]

Throw the whole Xbox division away. Don was a asshole, but at least he didn't cancel games, close studios left and right, and kiss Sony's ass.