DF: "We've seen some reports suggesting a PlayStation 5 due this year! It's not going to happen, but realistically just when can we see the 6x to 8x leap in power that typically defines a new console generation? And when will Microsoft follow suit?"
Well, it should be powerfull enough to run native 4k with 60fps. Or else what's the point?
FreeSync is the brand name for an adaptive synchronization technology for LCD displays that support a dynamic refresh rate aimed at reducing screen tearing. FreeSync was developed by AMD and released in 2015 ps5 will support FreeSync just buy a tv with FreeSync and you wont have to worry what fps a game is running at
Needs to be on console not tv.
I don't care about power. As long as they continue to deliver fresh and new, exciting games, that's all that matters. 4k @60 is just icing. I think the current sales of consoles especially the Switch already prove it's the games and creativity that matter.
FreeSync is already supported.
Better AI, better environment simulation, bigger scenarios, more choices in any actions, more characters on screen, etc, etc ... The resolution is not the most important but I'm sure the PS4 will run games on native 4K resolution. 60fps depends on the developers, it is their choice.
Exactly.... I personally think there is to much focus on 4k and not enough focus on "EVERYTHING" else. If next gen is about 4k then expect it to be no different from this gen other then better resolution. That will not entice me to jump into the next gen.
Have my 1up.
I bet a lot of games will still use checkerboard rendering simply due to the quality it offers for how efficient it is. I'd rather developers put those resources into building more complex, more beautiful and interactive worlds. As far as framerate is concerned Sony really must include support for variable refresh rate displays. This would be a huge win. We won't have to be locked into the 30fps or 60fps either-or paradigm, since any framerate between those values will remain smooth and stutter free. As long as developers make sure their games run north of 30fps at all times I'll be happy.
I think it's gonna be 2021
Anything lower than 4K 60fps will not be tolerated, anything higher isn't possible within console price range
4k sure, but 60fps? 30 or 60 fps will always be a developer choice more so than resolution. Not every game will be actual 4K but 95% probably will. less frames and or resolution means more stuff on screen snd thats what some developers will choose when making a game for something with static hardware like a console. If you are waiting for native 60fps for all games youll be waiting forever. Some games will be 60 and some 30. Thats how it has always been, and that wont change anytime soon Im afraid.
lmao high end PCs now can barely run 4k at 60fps and you want a 400-500$ console to do that ?
I doubt 4k/60fps will be a given on every PS5 game. Sure, it will be powerful enough to run current level graphics at 4k/60fps, but as usual devs will want to push for better core visuals. And I'm all for that. Sony should release two PS5 versions right at launch. A base PS5 for games at 4k (checkerboard or otherwise) at 30fps and a PS5 Pro for games at 60fps/native 4k with enhanced visuals. If it isn't economically or technologically feasible to release a PS5 Pro at launch then releasing it a few years later will still be a good idea. Hopefully it will also play PS4 games with improved visuals and framerate. Compatibility with PS3, PS2 and PS1 games would also be amazing.
Everyone talks about resolution and FPS... ever since these two consoles first came out but let’s talk about graphics, I want to see better lighting, shadows, physics, foliage... things that will take games to another level both visually and gameplay wise. Resolution/FPS isn’t everything
Now you are having a narrow view. Of course. And all that. We are looking at 10+TF and a new CPU core miles above what we have today. Getting to 4k @ 60fps today doesn't really need that much power (heck, mostly the X can deliver that). All thats needed would be more bandwidth. That next tech is not only about bandwidth, though.
So, you would choose 4K/60fps over new AI, gameplay stile and bigger environments... Weird. I don't want PS5 to be a XBX like. I want It be better, with better games.
Ha ha ha. You people have just so no idea, that's not even funny. Gamers without ideas. Interesting...I am tired of debating this.
I disagree that 6TFLOPs is enough for 4K60, I have an overclocked 1080Ti and 4K60 on the max is not always feasible at twice the power of the Xbox One X. I certainly hope next-gen games don't look like 8th gen games running at 4K, otherwise what's the point?
I mean there will be a definite diminishing rate of returns as we progress in terms of graphic fidelity, i for one would like just two things to make that “next gen” leap and that’s the option for stable 60fps on any freaking game and perhaps not facing the same AI we’ve basically been playing against for well over a decade.
@makoD well stated, AI behavior/simulation is where I would like to see the next generation leap. Farcry 5 being the most recent culprit of “dumb” enemy AI, or at least behavior limitations that have been around for past two gens. I’m not picking on Farcry as many many games have very easy to memorize behavior. The best or at least the most unpredictable enemny was the Alien in Alien Isolation.
@MakoD yep its definitely is up to a developer and the design. I’ve never been a big proponent of “more power = better gaming or next gen” stuff. It will be a diminishing rate of returns in terms of this gen to the next especially if the focus is solely based upon graphic fidelity. Fundamentaly I haven’t played a game this gen that couldn’t have been played last gen... I guess this “old fart” is just hoping for something new/innovative.
And If you have to choose.
Not just graphics, but more interactive and simulated elements. I'm talking about things that typically require CPU power. Hopefully next gen brings a huge increase in CPU power. This is where several games were limited on current gen, not so much the GPU. You can always lower the graphics a bit, but the entire game has to be designed around the CPU limitations. Resolution and FPS are important. FPS atleast. 60 fps is on another level for many types of games. The difference is more than people expect.
Or how about we just talk about gameplay?
I care far more about frame rate than graphics or resolution. Some of the best games I've played this generation don't push any boundaries of power.
seems that they believe the target is 7nm zen cpu with roughly 12TF navi gpu. hmm hope that gpu would be enough for a big increase in graphical quality. i kind of hope that next gen will target a checkerboard 4k for most game instead of native in order to save up processing power.
I know almost nothing up cpu's and such but its really cool to see from when I was young and the Xbox 360 came out, fast forward to today, and hearing about the "nm" sizing of chips and how like every couple of years it was getting thinner and thinner and thinner and now we are at 7nm from like 90nm or whatever it was
So will the PS5 pro have more TF?? 🤔
I hope they'll wait until 2020.
Why? To give MS enough time to release another X box? That would be stupid.
@Ju The X is the most powerful console and still, MS 1st party studio can't make a game on the level of Gow; which is the PS4. So Sony really doesn't have to worry about MS since MS has a lot of catching up to do.
Not necessarily. Look what happened this gen. PS4 and Xbox One on a nearly level playing field in the beginning and PS4 DESTROYED the Xbox One for the most part. It could happen again. Competition is good but the key thing to remember is that it doesn't matter who has the better console on paper, it's who can back up their console with the best feature set and market the reasons WHY we should buy their PS5 over the Xbox Next and vice versa. Seems logicial that 2020 would be that release window for new consoles. I can't really see 2019 except for MAYBE Sony biting first since PS4 Pro came out in 2016 so that's a healthy 3 year gap
@UnholyLight Not necessarily. Look what happened this gen. PS4 and Xbox One on a nearly level playing field in the beginning and PS4 DESTROYED the Xbox One for the most part. It could happen again. Competition is good but the key thing to remember is that it doesn't matter who has the better console on paper. My point exactly, it doesn't matter who has the better console on paper. cause hardware power is one thing but having the talent to back up that power is another thing.
lol XB doesn't really matter anymore, it's just a mini PC with Win 10. MS can launch one every year. You can buy a XBX2 now If you want. Sony doesn't need and shouldn't worry about that. Sony just needs to do what they have been doing all these years.
Sony’s mistake regarding 360 had little to do with it launching first; it was a whole shit salad for PS3 where the pricing was awful, Sony assumed the PS3 would automatically be a top seller without strong third party support, and they didn’t Beta Test the damn cell processor, leaving even their first party studios mostly in the dark. Point is, PS3 may have been an excellent console, especially in its later years, but it had a lot more working against it at launch than just the 360. Sony pretty much just needs to avoid the PS3 mistakes, and make PS5 backwards compatible with all PS4 titles, as well forwards compatible with most PS4 titles, and they’re pretty much golden to dominate next gen as well. In that regard, they can pretty much take as long as they need to perfect the next gen hardware so that it will launch both strong and at a good price point.
Ms just released xbox one x. I doubt they are in a hurry to release another new console
I hope they wait until 2021. PS4 is in full trottle I want to enjoy it more.
We ain't getting any younger so no mo waiting that long.
I'm going to buy one just a year after the release date, so hopefully it will be in 2020.
I hope they wait as long as they have to for the right tech and games to be there
4k with 60fps sounds good in all. But I also would like for everything to move in the background/foreground. I want to see more tree blowing in the wind, more destructible environments, more dark shadows and lighting, the works running on next-gen consoles.
I can totally agree with this. Honestly, I'd say that's more important to me than 60 frames. The little things that immerse you way more.
One reason I wish all TVs were true 120hz. We could play with 40fps played perfectly(40x3=120) which is enough for that HFR feeling, not too sterile and superimposed either, and leaving plenty of room for other effects like graphics and immersive elements. 40fps would be so perfect.
40fps does indeed feel pretty smooth. But if the PS5 supports variable refresh rates we won't need to worry about having 120Hz displays, since everything above 30fps will be smooth and responsive and free of screen tearing and stutter. Below 30fps starts to feel stuttery and too blurry even on a variable refresh rate monitor.
What I want to see are those things everyone dreamed of as a kid, just true fully detailed environments and graphics. Games that can handle those levels of detail but also have that detail across the entire broad spectrum of say a massive open world map or in the online component...the little things if you will. For example I want to see a new Battlefield using that tech that really immerses you and is finally near photo realistic, and when you blow something up or kill someone the parts from the vehicle or the bodies remain where they were shot for example. Just little details like that would make it so much more surreal. PSVR 2.0 delivering on that extra immersion level and giving me a reason to have a super strong PS5 with a high end VR headset would be a dream come true.
everyone has their own preferences but for me, games like God of War, Spider Man, Far Cry 5, Origins, Uncharted or Horizon are looking more then enough, i would like locked 60fps, better physics and interaction with the world, and in most games better looking NPC and more realistic interactions in combat, just more details.
PS! Pro and Xbox One X are still new consoles; and with current sales why would playstation announce a new console anytime soon.
For native 4K, with a generational leap in raw graphics, plus a significant advancement in physics, AI, etc.? Holiday 2020 at the earliest, but holiday 2021 would be a better choice.
2021 would never happen. An 8-year console cycle with reports of devs already having dev kits right now? Porkchop, Why would dev's have a dev kit 3 years early?
Maybe because high quality games take 3-5 years to make?
A) You're assuming those rumors are factual. We don't know if they are yet. B) The question asked is when *can* they provide a generational leap in power. This isn't about when they actually *will*.
@cheifjohn yes, games do have long development cycles, but often times games are in development well before the developers get dev kits. You can probably bet that sony's first party knows way ahead of time what the specs for the next console are going to look like and will often develop a game with those specs in mind until they receive a devkit. @Porkchop could the rumors not be real? Sure. But the fact is the rumors line up with the data we have. The data that says an 8 year console cycle is unlikely. Combine with the rumors that say dev kits have already been handed out and it just makes sense. As for a generational leap in power a console with 2x the ram 2x the cpu clock speed and 2xvram of the ps4 would be considered a generational leap and is definitely possible before 2020
Next year. Those Ps-Pro owners got robbed.
😂😂😂 28514; My eyes and tv beg to differ. Can you tell me what looks better on my tv over horizon zero dawn on the pro? I would say, along with any professional analysis site, it will be god of war...
Not at all. I bought a Pro on launch day, and I’m okay with PS5 coming out whenever it does. Pro has still allowed me to enjoy the amazing PS4 exclusives in their best possible settings, games that make Xbox titles look like something out of the PS2 era.
lol you're mistaken my friend. I bought a pro knowing full well that ps5 is likely around the corner. I'd be alright with a new iteration every year if that meant I got to play my sony exclusives at the highest possible settings.
Yeah, as long as it's backwards compatible I wouldn't mind having the option to be able to buy a new Playstation every year or two in order to play my games at their best. It might even get me to drop PC gaming and do all my gaming on Playstation.
I'm cool with it and I have a pro who say's you have to jump right into the next gen if anything because you have a pro it might even be even wise to wait a year or two until Sony get's cooking with exclusives for the PS5.
Sony has been doing it pretty well for a while now. There focus has been on games. They ask the devs what they need to make the games they want to make and try to find a solution that works for everyone in terms of price and power. Then they get 10-12 big exclusives a year with 2-3 of them being serious game of the year contenders. It is about the games not about the power. Just look at Nintendo. They essentially have 2 generation old hardware but they are making awesome games and seeing big returns.
no sooner than 2020 cuz PS4 is killing it right now. 4k 60 fps capability AND PS4 BC is a must with how good the games have been and carrying them over to a new console would be nice. MS may not even bother if they continue to get smoked and not show any effort to make good new IP’s instead continuing to go the ridiculous GAAS route Phil has them going.
We will never have 60fps as a standard on any console ever... As the processing power goes up with each generation, so does the game engine's increase in the amount power needed to render on these next gen cpu/gpu. 30fps at max graphical level will always be the standard on consoles. If you want current gen gfx at 60fps standard go to PC.
I agree, at the beginning of the gen the PS4 and Xbox One had a lot of 60fps games because games were still being developed around the limitations of the PS3/360 and then ported to the newer consoles. Nothing stopped them from curtailing their graphical ambitions and making games run at 60fps other than their own desire to push the envelope further in terms of visuals. We could get a 20TFLOP console and it'd still have a ton of 30fps games because studios would rather make a game look photo realistic than have it run at 60fps.
I'd love if more N4G users are rational like you two.
Wont really matter what the ps5 does atp... its going to continue to dominate if the 1st partys keep churning at the highest quality... 4k 60 with psvr baked in will basically be the nos that propells the console to ridiculous heights. I also think it will be dope af if the controller seperates and doubles as psvr remotes like in some of the leaks. E3 2019 would my best guess for the reveal with a fall release at 399-499... The only games that might not launch until then will be got and death stranding... which they might just make ps5 launch exclusive games by pulling a nintendo.
Exactly resolution and FPS aren't everything, as long as Sony can still deliver the Stellar titles they produce then you know PS5 will be a success.
I think we have to realize there is a difference between console generations and "game generations". Many of these comments are talking about things they want games to do. Sure, more power might allow for some new things but it means little to nothing for AI and story options. As far as that goes do we even know what we want? Is good VR the real next step? We already went from 2d to 3d to advanced physics and lighting. Can physics, AI, or lighting be improved enough to warrant "next gen"? Anyway, next gen is just mathematical in terms of computing power at this point I suppose.