NIS America talks about a deal made for SNK Heroines, Switch outselling their PS4 versions, Disgaea 5 Complete sales, and Sony not being "friendly with small publishers".
Before anyone complain about Nintendo making a deal to be the only one who do physical games from NISA in America, remember Sony have deals like this all the time, Monster hunter world, Shining Force Refrain and I cant remember the rest, but these 2 games they the only physical game you can buy in Japan, you cannot buy monster hunter for xbox, and this why you did not see Shining Force show up on Mediacreate this week for Nintendo Switch. because the developers are Only releasing to people in America and Europe who have a Switch, so only us can buy Shining Force. I forgot Sony did this with Dragon Quest also, so that is 3 games, this why no Nintendo 3ds version in America and Europe and why no PC version for a steam version in Japan for Dragon Quest. This is why SNK 40 year collection is an exclusive. I feel like Nintendo should not use Sony style that is their own style to combat other systems. If they had continue doing what they already do, I think those developers would break their deal with Sony, just like NISA did to work with Nintendo and release games at equal timing with everyone else. Now everyone have to prepare for a future where your favorite game either delay for a while until you get it for your favorite system, or you have to import from another country in order to get the physical copy. The only reason I think Nintendo doing this now, because of the big money they getting, fire emblem mobile in less than 12 months in 2017 made close to 300 million, then you have animal crossing mobile who made like 2 million in one or two days, then you have Switch selling at a profit. The money is piling up and up, Nintendo doing more commercial than any time before, so with all these funds from different things coming in, they move to Sony phase in making deals with companies. This company wont be the last company to break a deal with Sony to move to Nintendo. Namco look like they on bored already, they keep talking how good sales are, and how Dragonball Xenoverse outsell ps4 version in Japan even though it came out a year later I think Sega will be next once they see how much they can sell when they actually start trying to sell new games and not old
Could you provide some links to back up your claims about these publishing deals because I googled them and found nothing? Thanks.
use common sense Shining Force Refrain comes out for PS4, Xbox, and Switch, but only ps4 version went on sell in japan last week, which makes it Japan exclsuive, no switch release date, no xbox release date, while america or europe get the ps4, xbox and switch version day 1 https://www.resetera.com/th... Monster Hunter world.....do I need to say more or you really did not do research, it only came to other systems in America and Europe, with PC coming soon.......but no PC for Japan, and no Xbox for Japan https://gematsu.com/2017/06... from the article "In Japan, Monster Hunter: World is a PlayStation 4-exclusive title" everything else is easy look up, and put together, if one system gets physical and digital, while other system gets digital or get the game at a late time, its common sense a deal was in place sad you cannot figure it out, if you confuse, go on Resetera they have full discussions on these things respond to my original post so i can get notification I forgot to edit, I meant to put Capcom in my original post, not Sega I also want to say if you truly do not understand how deals are made then I cannot do nothing for you, I respect your thoughts that you see nothing because not many publishers are brave to speak out like NISA, but the common sense parts are right there in the open with all these exclusives, even crash banditcoot.......you can choose to ignore them if you want, its your choice
So you actually cannot prove anything you just posted but instead are just making assumptions. That is unfortunate, but not surprising.
http://www.gameinformer.com... Clearly you didn't read this. "When we started talking about Dragon Quest XI in the west, we wanted to really give the series a fresh start with western audiences" Okamoto told us. "We were able to make a lot of improvements and changes for the localization. Because of that, we felt like the best approach was to present the PlayStation 4 and Steam version of the game as the main one." Sony didn't pay them to keep it off of the 3DS in the West, but that isn't going to change your version of reality is it. As for Shining Force Refrain, that is a remaster of the PS3-only game that released in 2014. Right now, it is only available on the PS4 in Japan but you can get it on anything you want when it comes to the west. This is more likely a leftover from the original PS3 deal and not some nefarious plot by Sony to keep it off of the Switch like you claim. Monster Hunter World...really?! You think Sony paid Capcom to keep MH World off of XBox in Japan where it is sells maybe 200 consoles a week. It doesn't even occur to you that maybe Capcom didn't want to spend the money to publish and distribute a game on a platform that performs very poorly in a region? What about Monster Hunter XX - is Sony paying Capcom to keep them from localizing it for the Switch in the west? Or maybe Capcom just makes odd decisions based on their own situation and not because someone is paying them. After all, they are pretty up front when they do make publishing deals like with Dead Rising 3 and Street Fighter 5. I do want to ask you, since you seem to have the inside knowledge on these publishing deals, how much did Nintendo pay Capcom to keep Monster Hunter off of the Vita? Also, how much did Nintendo pay Capcom to keep MH4 off of the Wii U since they needed a game to sell the New 3DS (and MH4 is the only game to make use of its new features even after all these years)?
You say they pretty upfront about their deals but your response is assuming also well maybe dragon quest 11 part not, but no one knew until today Sony had a deal for this SNK game here to be an exclusive NISA speaking out is how we found out about it, so everything that you wrote can be assuming also because if they have a deal in place the developers would say what the deal in place tell them to say........if SNK heroine was still a ps4 exclusive and NISA president did not say anything, i bet you would of assume its because Sony is the best system and they wanted to be on the best system right ???? And switch owners just port beggers because they want games that developers choose to make only for Sony I'm fine either way I'm on Team SwitchPS4 From my original post "Now everyone have to prepare for a future where your favorite game either delay for a while until you get it for your favorite system, or you have to import from another country in order to get the physical copy."
Again, your bias is causing you to see words that are not even there. Nowhere in the article does it say anything about the deal between SNK and Sony was for an exclusive. The term "exclusive" was brought up specifically when Nintendo entered the picture. - "Hey Mr. Yamashita, is it possible to cancel our contact on PS4? Nintendo wants to work on this title on an exclusive basis!" We have no way to know what kind of deal existed before. It could of been like most of the deals that Sony has with game studios and publishers. Sony has a deal with Ubisoft for Far Cry 5 but that deal doesn't mean that it is exclusive - just one centered around advertising. The same thing with Assassin's Creed Origins and XBox. Would you say that Nintendo has a deal in place with Level 5 to keep Professor Layton off of competing consoles since it only came to Nintendo? Or is it just that Level 5 is a small developer who prefers to just focus on a single platform due to budget constraints and chooses the platform that makes the most sense to them?
@Gemmol Common sense? Like how it would lose money for Capcom to even print the lowest print runs for Xbox in Japan? Even Warner Bros didn't even release games for Xbox in Japan and they have their own distribution channels and publishing facilities. Warner Bros canceled their release of Batman Arkham Knight which was fully dubbed in Japanese in Japan at the same time Ubisoft cancelled their release of The Crew in Japan. Thats 2 huge publishers pulling major releases on Xbox One in Japan! If two huge companies even pulled releases then how the heck would a small publisher manage when they don't even have their own distribution or publishing facilities?! https://www.google.ca/amp/w... The majority of the exclusivity for PS4 is for this very reason. Xbox does NOT have the volume to even make small print runs even worth it for companies as big as Warner Bros. or Ubisoft. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.c... http://www.4gamer.net/games... Look at how bad Psycho Pass did in Japan on Xbox one it launched at number 12 and ONLY sold 4,593 units in ALL of Japan. The previous games were Xbox 360 exclusive and did relatively well. Then the Xbox One version which was ONLY on Xbox One as an exclusive completely bombed to the point Mages quit Xbox exclusivity and has now started porting ALL their Xbox exclusives to Vita and PS4. Want more proof?! NIS America localised the Psycho Pass game on PS4 and Vita only and didn't even release a digital only or small print run on Xbox One even though the initial game was XBox One exclusive! No Xbox version in the U.S. from NIS America. https://www.google.ca/amp/s... Here's a quote from the article. " In order to make up for the poor Japanese sales of the former Xbox One exclusive Chaos;Child 5pb. opted to release the game on PlayStation platforms. Looks like with Psycho-Pass, that was heavily co-marketed with Microsoft, they’re choosing a different route, tackling a much larger market, at least for now." So yeah these small publishers only survive by either releasing to ONLY the market that will get sales or ALL platforms if they can afford it. They don't release on Xbox because they simply lose money doing that.
These are some good links i respect your post, i didn't even know about the Xbox game but then again i only have switch and ps4 so i hardly be in Xbox news section
@Gemmol SNK Heroines enters on the Switch which is starved for fighting games. Go ahead name me a major release of a 2D fighting game in the last year? They released the 3D arena mash up game ARMS maybe is all. You know why you're having trouble naming one? Because their were ZERO. Unless you count re releases of KOF, AoF and WH You know how crowded PS4 is for fighting games?! The last year and a half alone PS4 has had these fighting games show up: Guilty Gear Revelator 2 Tekken 7 SFV Arcade Edition Injustice 2 Marvel Vs Capcom Infinite Marvel Versus Capcom 3 Ultimate rerelease King or Fighters XIV PSN releases of King Of Fighters 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 2000, 98 Dream Match, KOF 97 Global Match Garou Mark of the Wolf Art of Fighting Anthology The Last Blade 2 World Heroes 1 and 2 Jet Fatal Fury Battle Archives and Real Bout Samurai Showdown I and VI Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late PS4 Dragon Ball Fighterz Then lets see which ones are coming and have major updates for the start of 2018 (new character updates) alone https://www.google.ca/amp/s... New Soul Calibur 6 Street Fighter Anthology Naruto Shinobi Strikers SFV Arcade Edition SF Anthology Dragon Ball Fighterz Dissidia Final Fantasy NT Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late[st] Seven Deadly Sins Knights of Britannia Blazblue Crosstag Battle Fighting EX Layer My Hero Academia Firepro Wrestling World Blade Stranger Fantasy Strike SNK Heroines Then add in major character releases for DBZ Fighterz, DBZ Xenoverse 2, KOF XIV, Injustice 2 etc. Notice almost all those 2018 games are NOT on the Switch. Its pretty crowded by much bigger fighting games on PS4 so releasing in between all that isn't a good strategy.
From the article 'A lot of PS4 titles are coming up, so the market is very competitive. ' Yep.
USFII came out in 2017. Not arguing anything just adding. Also Blazeblue Crosstag My Hero Adamedia Blade Strangers are coming to Switch
Switch have mostly everything from the first list you wrote, they all came same day for switch and ps4, except guilty gear, Tekken, injustice, street fighter , mVc3 and king of fighters........you forget they both have xenoverse2, SNK heroines, my hero academy, Naruto shinobi strikers, and whatever else, i cant go thru the full list I am not saying you wrong, it is common sense if a system is out for more time it would have more games, but now that you show me this list and i seen these names pop up for Switch, it makes me realize its not too far behind despite just coming out a year ago, lot of porting in a year I agree ps4 is crowded but not for these games, it js more crowded when you put those games to sell around the big sellers, like spiderman, call of duty, Detroit and etc
Street Fighter 30th Naruto Shinobi Strikers Blazblue Crosstag Battle My Hero Academia Blade Stranger Fantasy Strike SNK Heroines These games are on Switch
@DJK1NG_Gaming and Segata I know they are on the Switch. My point was if there are 7 or 8 on Switch versus 16 on PS4, 20 if you include older games still receiving updates this year. That's a huge disparity either way you put it.
It's not that big, i didn't even fully check the second list but switch have half or a little over half of your first list, all those king of fighters came same day as switch...... Okay just check second list, the gap bigger on second list But you should know all updates xenoverse gets goes to all systems, same as every other game that switch and ps4 get...........its not Wii U or Wii, things are same day now
Bottom line NIS America has a better chance getting some more sales from the deal with Nintendo. PSN allows for sales for the game as well without directly competing with that huge list of fighting games on PS4. Now that its not being released on disc on PS4 means I might just wait for a sale to get it. I pretty much buy all the fighting games so its not like I won't have games to preoccupy me till then. Although I keep buying all the King of Fighters. Lol. Bought the collection on PS2, PSP, bought it on the Vita, started buying them again on the Switch and PS4 recently too. Can't wait for Smash Bros on the Switch and Soul Calibur 6 on PS4, Brolly shows up in DBZ Fighterz too. The PS4 and Switch are just spoiling me with so many fighting games! Can't wait. Now if only Capcom would just rerelease Powerstone, SNK vs Capcom 2, Darkstalkers and Rival Schools......
“We’re starting to do more on Nintendo Switch. SNK Heroines is not the only one. They support us in a good way. Compared to that, Sony is not friendly with small publishers like us. They just care about big Japanese companies." Curious what else they got planned. Been enjoying Disgaea 5 a lot. Interesting little bit about how unfriendly Sony is to small publishers. Wonder if other small Japanese companies feel that way.
i am curious too
My assumption is that the 'unfriendliness' means not giving the smaller games some marketing to help them get more exposure than they would've otherwise received. I was a little pissed when Sony hardly marketed Gravity Rush 2 at all (in the west, that is) and that is a 1st party title.
Yeah that was a great game for playstation, i felt they should of did the same too
After they lied about and ruined the Rhapsody DS port I'll never buy another NISA product again.
Wow, they called Sony out! NIS games doing really well on Switch and SNK seems to do well on Nintendo is really cool. NIS lifeblood is games more suitable for portable systems and with VITA pretty much dead Switch filled in that gap.
This makes me wonder on why Witch and the Hundred Knights 2 is not one the switch yet?
Probably in development before Switch was released.
Holy...... WHOA! I always thought they pushed their games to Switch because its like the closest alternative to Vita. Didn't think they were falling out with Sony. Can't he get in trouble for leaking this?
Sony not caring for the Vita is probably why. I mean afterall a lot of smaller Japanese publishers, developers and indie devs folk to the Vita for that very reason but since Sony doesn't give them any attention they had to go elsewhere or face it with the PS4 with their games being overshadowed.
It almost sounds like a conspiracy. NISA see Vita slowing and offer Nintendo their games practically knowing Vita owners have nowhere else to go in exchange for Nintendo supporting their sales and advertising.
Remember PS4 first 2 years and Sony showed off indie and small Japanese games at E3 and PSX? Now last couple years not at all.
Everyones's talking about big Japanese companies' relationship with Sony and Nintendo, and yet no one talks about Microsoft. Didn't the Xbox 360 also had third party exclusives like Vesperia and Ace Combat 6? Really want to know how was their relation with them compared to Sony and Nintendo.
I've noticed this with Sony as well. If they had just an inkling of faith in Demon's Souls and From Software back then, I have a feeling From would've been bought out by Sony. They're not really good at gauging a game's success, especially from small developers.
You got a point there. While I still don't think Sony are complete douchebags (if they are then why does Death Stranding exist?), I have to agree that when it comes to obscure japanese titles like Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars and Demon's Souls, they just don't seem to hold that much faith with them. In fact, a lot of their big titles they are marketing are literally western titles. Not one have I seen was a japanese game....well, sure there was Shadow of the Colossus but I digress.
Which was why Sony went back to work with From Software and coproduced Bloodborne. Which did amazing sales.
I wonder why SNK fighters have such low poly character models.. Budget problems? Idk i guess if its fun it wont matter but still.. Fighting games usually look a lot better
Wonder how would Playstation Sites like Playstation Lifestyle and Push Square react to this? Would they feel betrayed or will they just put this aside and still keep getting excited for NISA's upcoming titles despite the current situtation? Honestly, is kinda strange for they to say this right now after all those providing tons of games for the Playstation, especially since the PS2 with Disgaea. Heck, if memory serves right, before PS All Stars was released, NISA was interested on seeing Disgaea characters in the game. So either Sony kinda shifted their focus to much bigger companies this generation (especially after the success of Horizon and MH World) or it was most likely them abandoning the Vita.
Well PushSquare has an article up http://www.pushsquare.com/n... It mostly like them abandoning the Vita. Because NIS America or NIS didn't want to drop the Vita but since Sony isn't supporting it and isn't coming out with a new one. Smaller Japanese Publishers are going to Switch. Which is why a lot of the series that hasn't been on Nintendo platform or smaller publishers are moving over. Honestly. Sony pretty much is killing themselves in Japan by treating the Vita like that. Having a portable system in Japan is a must.
Vita did well in Japan but it is 6 years old. We all knew Vita's fate was sealed the moment Switch was announced. As mentioned Vita is 6 years old it was about time anyway. Only reason 3DS is still kicking is Pokemon.
There isn't anything to feel betrayed about. They are still releasing games on PS4 so unless they stop its good. I think its just unusual to hear fallings out from Sony's camp. We've heard this is common with Nintendo and Microsoft but very rarely happens with Sony. If NISA feels this way then there may be others as well.
It doesn't happen with Nintendo. What happens with Nintendo is not broken relationship with Japanese publishers or publishers in general outside EA of course. It's more so Nintendo not talking to them and building a relationship with them before launch or getting all the engines, tools and allowing them to grow on their platform. Perfect example is Bethesda. They said back in 2013 on why Skyrim or any of their games aren't on Wii U was because Nintendo didn't talk to them before launch. Nintendo fixed that with the Switch now Bethesda alongside Ubisoft are Nintendo main western support. Microsoft is the one that actually burning bridges more often with devs and now trying to get back with Japanese publishers. This isn't the first time it happened with Sony. Level-5 also went through this which is why after PS2 then went majority DS/3DS and now Switch because they weren't able to create their own IP under Sony but since they moved to DS they created them and Nintendo help push them in the west.
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