At this year’s Havencon, an LGBTQ-centric gaming convention, a Dragon Age panel revealed information about the series’ development, and the status of developer Bioware at the time of its acquisition by EA in 2007.
Bullshit. You also had Microsoft to support you back then... sounds like more EA fud....
Yeah... MS support: Rare.
??? The first Mass Effect was great. So was KOTOR.
Like they did lionhead?
Microsoft actually worked well with Rare.. Star Wars: Knights of Old Republic Jade Empire Mass Effect its said that Microsoft left Bioware alone and let them build those games the way they wanted... old school Microsoft was very developer friendly... and not always bothering them
Yeah,Microsoft did a really good job at bringing Rare from being one of the best studio in world during the n64 era to a C Tier developer that keep bumping out tech demos and a mediocre pirates game
Microsoft is notorious for having developers not want to work with them so something tells me it's not an accident that BioWare still held the Mass Effect intellectual property when Electronic Arts came knocking on their door ,you have to question why exactly wasn't Microsoft asking to buy BioWare? Or maybe they did and bioware's parent company said no or something. So I don't believe Microsoft was at arm's length because there are nice developer I believe it's because BioWare or the parent company refused a buyout from Microsoft as Microsoft only job at the time was simply to fund something they were making and not to control the property. For all we know the second Microsoft control the intellectual property Mass Effect probably would have been some sort of Halo clone. I think Mass Effect is only the way it is now because BioWare cap the intellectual property and it was not sold to Microsoft. Keep in mind that with the development team owning the property it also means that the Leverage is on their side it is Microsoft that has to beg for the game to appear on the 360... There was nothing Microsoft actually had that they could hold against BioWare so it looked like a lot of the negotiating was in their favor please don't try to make it sound as if Microsoft was this Sweet Angel those deals only happen that way because someone else owned the damn property. All you have to do is look at the rest of the games that Microsoft has published when they actually own the property.....
@edmix you mean mass effect 1 the best in the series (microsoft involvement) as oppose to mass effect 2/3/andromeda (without microsoft involvement) You are right Mass effect is what it is now without microsoft involvement, which is entries in the series not even worth the bargain bin price.
Regardless on what state Microsoft is in right now with studios, I’m pretty sure that if bioware pursued it, they would’ve been locked with them for the rest of that generation..
At the time MS was changing gears towards Kinect so they probably weren't fully committed to Mass Effect 2 yet. And they were funding Dragon Age on their own. Also, Dragon Age was a multi-platform title that would have deterred MS from taking Bioware onto their own payroll. It is quite conceivable that just as Mass Effect was launching and Dragon Age was at the peak of its development that they would have cash issues. It is not cheap to develop new IPs, especially a large RPG IP.
The headline should read, "Bioware Should Have Been Closed After EA Acquisition." They've been going downhill with every release, IMO. Sadly, I still want Anthem to be really freaking good but I don't expect too much from it at the moment.
Better EA than MS if you want to at least have your franchises live rather than fall into complete obscurity or never see the light of day. That’s the one positive thing EA has, even if they contaminate great games or would-be great games with shady practices they’ll at least get the damned game out in some form. MS is just where everyone goes to die off. The Florida of the video game industry.
But EA had the support of Microsoft behind it at the time
Probably would have been a better ending.
Better than ME3's ending for sure xD but seriously, the ME series as a whole was amazing. I'm not going to simply jump on the EA hate bandwagon for this one.
"At this year’s Havencon, an LGBTQ-centric gaming convention, a Dragon Age panel..." And this is one of the reasons Bioware stopped making good games.
They did bring in that expert gamer of what, 2 years, Sarkeesian to meet with the Bioware team on Anthem... Bad tidings ahead. Try asking real gamers what they want, instead of herding in people who want to spit in fan's faces. Same shit happened with Star Wars and look at the reception it's getting from movies, to games, to toys.
Either the idiot, downvoting trolls have created multiple accounts, we have an influx of dumb Sarkeesian followers, or all the sane people have gone to bed.
@big- there's no reason to begin name-calling I don't get why people have this obsession with wanting everyone to agree with them so much to the point of claiming multiple accounts must exist because everybody doesn't agree with them I mean you have to understand that is 100% believable that not everybody agrees with your statements. Multiple people don't agree with my statements as well but that's okay they're allowed to disagree with me there's no need to try to call people idiots or claim they must be making fake Accounts at some sort of disbelief that multiple people don't agree with you a question it's even more strange to assume that your opinion is 100% some sort of gospel that should be agreed upon lol I don't get mad when people don't agree with me because I completely 100% understand and respect that somebody has the ability to disagree with me. Some people agree and some people disagree that's life.... So please consider this it is 100% feasible that a large amount of people can disagree with a statement that I make ... They are not idiots, they are not fake accounts, most likely it is just feasible that we just disagree with each other and that's completely fine it's what being a grown-up is all about , you can't just get so angry because someone doesn't see everything your way it just shows your immaturity.
Sarkeesian did a tour of the office from what I understand, nothing more or less. If Bioware did bring her in to actually offer some advice on the game, then they are stupid and deserve whatever happens to them. From what I hear (few friends work their), the Bioware offices have become a place where politics now thrives. Instead of people making games, it is a place where certain people are in the office to push social agendas and the other people generally roll their eyes but STFU about it because if they say anything they will be escorted out of the office soon after. Of course, maybe I heard wrong, who knows anymore. This is why their games are starting to suck maybe? Mass Effect Andromeda and the last Dragon Age were nothing to write home about.
I used to borderline hate Anita until I realized that it's a form of groupthink brainwashing to hate people based on their opinion. I just think It is a waste of time. And, I would be demanded if I ever let myself feel like I have to have the same opinion as everyone else. She can thin in what she wants. Screw it. I don't have to believe her. I'm not afraid of her and I hope the people she meets feel the same as me.
@Eonjay It is not brainwashing. Anita Sarkeesian lied about being a gamer of many years. She robbed her crowdfunded coffers and delivered nothing. She has constantly berated men in the industry and in general from uninformed opinions. She has tried to bully developers into making games that match her political mindset, instead of taking up education in game development and making her own games. This is all fact. There is no brainwashing here... Just dislike for a woman that is vile, manipulative and on the wrong side of feminism. Feminism is not a system to control what men do, but to create equal ground... Which I am all for. She is detestable enough to make sensible people dislike her without peer pressure to do so. The same goes with the rest of the clowns that try and hijack established mediums for their own agendas.
Nah. Sarkeesian is bad, but people in 2018 hearing "gay" and making a fuss about it is getting a bit boring already.
What? Attending LGBTQ-centric gaming conventions should raise some kind of alarm of a game's quality? I'd implore you to be *very* cautious of what you're insinuating--in no way regarding moderation history just account history/decency.
Only an idiot would have access to the information that lead to Andromeda's downfall and arrive to the conclusion that 'it's the gays' fault.
No but when you twist in the wind in every direction because you want to 'include' everyone or not offend anyone it's no longer a work of art. It's SJW bullshit that no one wants a part off.
Your fear of inclusion is insane. Should gay people only want to play a game with gay characters and not straight people included. That is insane. Thats freaking insane. Who even thinks about if something is too inclusive? Maybe its because I live in a city like 85% of Americans and we are used to seeing 'other people' everywhere and we don't freak out like someone is tying to 'replace us'. Of course there are nuts out there but the moment you hear 'gay' and start freaking out... you have a problem with people who aren't you and that weird and unhealthy.
Didn't Dragon Age have a courtship system featuring characters on the LGBTQ spectrum? Isn't it possible LGBTQ fans of the franchise want to talk with people involved with the game to discuss the implementation of the characters and maybe hear what the team will be doing in the future with those type of characters or ask general questions about the franchise? You know--like fans? I mean if the team is including those sorts of characters wouldn't it be nice to get them right? Especially if Bioware's shown the same respect for non-LGBTQ characters. Anywho I'm pretty sure Bioware is making poor games now because a lot of their best talent left with the founders around the end of Mass Effect 3--not because they hold open conversations with LGBTQ fans.
Nonsense. Partnerships with Microsoft and LucasArts would have been their great push Bioware forgets who they were.
Except you don't know the inner workings of their Studio like they do. We have seen lots of great Studios that have made good games get close down look at Clover .
Or Irrational Games :(
Bioware aren't who they were... That's the point. All the big creative names have left, probably so the can create, instead of being stifled by suits and misandrists.
@Vark- I don't understand? How come is it that you guys seemingly can't even make any point without trying to attack other Gamers because they share different opinions? This person is getting disagrees because not everybody agrees with them... That's okay... Those people don't need to think that Mass Effect Andromeda is better than Knights of the Old Republic for all you know they simply disagree that all the creative talent is completely gone. So I don't see any reason to make some point to try to guess what the disagrees might be about by literally making up a point that's not really being made...ie they must like Mass Effect Andromeda up more than Kotor buddy, that doesn't mean you're going to get a bunch of likes... You're literally trying to desperately Force the narrative to strawman the argument that anyone disagree with this individual must think Mass Effect Andromeda is better than Knights of the Old Republic. Last time I checked this person's comment is not saying Knights of the Old Republic is better than Mass Effect Andromeda. I'm not sure why you guys can't understand that somebody could still like Knights of the Old Republic better than Mass Effect Andromeda and still not agree with this individual...
Edmix... You can't disagree with a fact. That's the problem. If there is fact behind your comment and people disagree, it's because they are either trolling, or will not educate themselves to the factual information provided. Opinions must be based around a fact, you can't just make up your own fantasy narrative and run with it.
These clowns ruined Mass Effect. Sorry, anything you say after that is pure bullspit, and not to be listened to much less believed.
I find most of what was said extremely hard to believe. I'm fairly certain they could have found publishers with out selling themselves to EA. If smaller companies like Obsidian can hang around and even obtain the ability to self publish then Bioware could have too. And nothing will ever make me believe the developmental changes like adding multiplayer and MT's to single player focused games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect weren't imposed by EA who flat out bragged that every game they published had multiplayer and MT's.
So they lost money on the first Mass Effect? I actually can believe that but still man. Why EA out of all publishers? There are examples of big indie studios that stay independent (Insomniac, CD Projekt Red, Obsidian)
Because Electronic Arts is willing to spend over 800 million to buy that team along with a pandemic. Some studios are able to successfully stay independent some others may not be able to if the project calls for a huge amount of funds it's probably why Mass Effect was even being funded by Microsoft in the first place the team just could not go 100% independent they needed a partner. Situations like that vary
Well they really haven't put a decent game out since.
Even if that’s true, if you’re gonna go and make Mass Effecf Amdromeda as a result maybe it’s time the studio closes.
LGBTQ centric gaming convention.....lmao
Would have still been a better ending than Mass Effect 3.
Well, now it can be closed thanks to the EA acquisition. The only difference is Bioware lived on long enough to have its name tarnished by the king of studio-killers before they inevitably axe it off. Such a huge improvement. /s
Seeing as none of the decent, original Bioware team members are left... Bullshit. You're just corporate yes men, and doing some arse-licking in case Anthem is a pile of microtrasaction wasted dung. Good luck.
Super cool. And after EA bought them they systematically destroyed the studio by turning them into a SHIT diversity team and hired skin color, not skilled trade. Lets be honest, they all played Andromeda. Even the studios not working on it, just for play testing. They ALL had a chance to go to twitter to warn millions of people. They didn't. They chose money over honor. Would have been a much more graceful death if they had to close down due to financial problems. Would have had self respect in the light of their eyes before the dark.
Drop EA relation and join Sony. Problem solved.
Trust me it will be closed with EA ask viseral or bullfrog or black box or dreamworks interactive or well you get the point
Most from that original bioware left so who's talking this positive EA PR talk
Lol, they are preparing for the inevitable.
Yeah, not sure how to process that claim. Though, it does seems possible EA might be the reason Bioware does get closed down. I'm pressed to consider the possibility Andromeda would have had been a good game if EA hadn't been lurking over Bioware's shoulder whispering sour everythings the whole time.
I think given how long it took them to finish the game, ea probably gave them the time required to complete it. I actually think ea wanted the game to be good. There was nothing in the game that wasn't in prior me titles, so the mp aspect likely wouldn't have been an issue since I don't think there were any sp micro transactions. I just think the team making it was making a game well out of the scope of their abilities. The game play was solid enough, but it had a bland open world which is typical of many games made by people without much experience. The story wasn't that interesting outside the main story line, and seemed rather childish in social interactions....which isn't out of the norm for bioware. I just think that the team wasn't good enough to finish the game, and eventually ea just had to shop it. Outside that, the game wasn't the worst game ever like some people seem to say it is. Not amazing like other me games, but dw c nt enough.
The studio will be closed with EA acquisition if Anthem flops I am sure Bioware will end up like Visceral and Bullfrog. EA has a habit of buying studios then closing the doors.
I loved Andromeda.... shoot me;)
I enjoyed it too. Combat was better than the other games, just the variety in that combat was limited comparatively. Rpg elements were quite deep l, but mostly pointless after a while. Some nice changes to the originals set upgrade path with profiles though. Main story was about as good as the first, which basically had the same structure. Side story stuff was mostly bad though...except for a few of the squadmate story lines. Game Wasn't without it's issues, but some people act like its the worst game ever made.
Yeah I definitely had issues with it but as a mass effect game it was good as any imo. People act as if 3 was a bad game and don’t even mention that 2 has a lot of problems lol
Feel like if I was in front of a loaded gun you fuckers would pull the trigger
I believe this, but I also know EA has poisoned a lot of I.Ps
Hasn't April 1 passed yet?
i would have rather them faded away than slowly but surely ruin all the credibility they have as a dev :/ not to mention con me out of my 60 for mass effect because i allowed my feelings talk me into buying what is easily one of the worst games released this gen
If BioWare was in financial trouble given the games they had released up to that point? Well, then they deserved to be shut down. You have Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, MDK 2, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire and Mass Effect. How do those names not make you enough money to keep your head above water?
All you could say the same thing about Clover with Okami viewtiful Joe 1 and 2 etc. It happens games cost a lot of money and they need to be able to make a positive return to stay in business over the years I've been some really really great developers that I went out of business because they just can't make ends meet it doesn't mean they're not great games it just means financially they're unable to keep it together. Trust Me BioWare was not looking to get bought out because they were doing great financially
Perhaps that would’ve been for the best considering where Bioware is now.
"EA has a hands-off approach to the studio’s development" Haha, that's a good one.
EA will close them down eventually
If adding romantic relationships costs up to 1 million per route and they added a bunch of routes then they earned their bankruptcy. Even crazier is if they choose lgbtq as additional routes as the potential for additional sales due to that feature would never be financially efficient. Creating games must be a profitable business and any dev that is not doing that needs to work harder and quit screwing around on the clock, or make better design decisions in order to make money. Gamers buy the game for core gameplay not having 15 romantic routes.
If it really cost one moon, they should maybe scale it back some. The relationship angle is cool and all, but the path for it is so childish. Andromeda was like watching a Disney show for middle school kids, and the eventual reward for the end if it is a 1-2 minute cut scene that the characters are about to have sex. After that, just a few lines here or there about it. Seems like a huge waste, when just a few characters to pursue could actually provide a much deeper relationship story arc. Heck, half the romance options in andeomeda didnt even make sense to the characters in quiestion.
BS my friend Microsoft would sure love you.....then you guys can becoming a Rare 2.0
If you ask my opinion its the other way around. Your studio is going to close because of the acquisition by EA. Especially when you invite anita sarkeesian to be involved in your upcoming game.