After replaying MGS 1-3 I hopped into MGS 4 for an exciting conclusion but was hit with the worst opening hours of the series so far. Overwritten, lacking tension, and struggling to modernize the series gameplay we would see refined in MGS V
The first two levels are the best part of MGS4 as well as the franchise
MGS4 is one of my top games of all time
I think it's my favorite opening of the series. Something about that Grimm dark war-torn setting that fits so perfectly with the music, and that Solid Snake is nearing his end just gets to me so much on an emotional level.
mGS4 tried to depict so many realistic elements of a real war that are not even visible to the eye of a casual uneducated gamer ...afer so many years i replay mGS4 and i mfinding myself speechless how well informed and dedicated Kojima was about military tactics ,strategies, life and routine htat included in the game ....the article is simple BS
MGS4 is the ultimate love letter to the franchise. It is a perfect 10 for veterans of the series,. It is not an entry point though. You need to be a MGS player but thankfully it he PS3 had a wiki app for MGS.
Remarkable title. A landmark achievement in storytelling. Best Metal Gear game I ever played and I played them all from launch. Also this was the game that unveiled the biggest reveal ever and one that was 20 years in the making. Nothing in the history of gaming possessed a bomb drop equal to discovering the truth related to you at the end of the game. It literally changed the nature of every Metal Gear game you played previously as well as the truth about almost every single mini and major boss battle encountered to that point. Do yourself a favor and just block a90skidmark because anyone unable to comprehend what MGS4 offers isn't a site which you should ever visit.
lol I was waiting for Morganfell tof comment! dat ending doe! I would say the only thing that stops Metal Gear Solid 4 from reaching absolute epicness would be Konami very much probably trying to stop Solid Snake from killing himself. The way the game was headed it was very clear that Kojima likely wanted to just have snakes character die to let the series move on on an extremely high note. So even with a special edition on Metal Gear Solid 4 I would very much buy a remaster in a heartbeat.
/metal-gear-solid-4s-first-hou rs-are-the-worst-of-the-franchi se Um. A. This is a very old game. B. You sir are wrong.
4 is the 2nd worst game. The main series is ranked like this 2 1 3 4 5
Ha ha. Actually Kojima had several ideas for the ending including the one that was eventually in the game. He had an idea for Otacon and Snake to turn themselves in but Kojima's own team voted him down on that one. He laughed about that in an interview. So no, it wasn't Konami. After all, Snake has very little time left in the MGS4 ending created by Kojima and Konami let that go through. Had they wanted to extend matters they would have had Naomi discover some way to reverse the aging. For me, Big Boss was the most tragic of characters in the series and since that ending I instantly liked and to this day prefer Richard Doyle's voice work. Spoilers. HUGE SPOILERS: https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Morgan fell - because of their numerous non-disclosure agreements was hideo Kojima ever even going to tell us if it was Konami that did it? I mean you're talking about they're all star character I just don't see them wanting to have that end by having the character kill himself as this sounds more so like a corporate move. Consider it is after all that Konami owns the intellectual property.
NecrumOddBoy the wiki is nice, but there is a catalogue in the game about the entire franchise, story and characters or was that in something else? I believe it was attached to a mgs game on the ps3. And the controls in MGS4 is really good, I find the earlier games a little cumbersome, but the gameplay in mgs4 is both deep and quite intuitive and easy to learn and get the basics and then a lot to learn fully to master the game, so much so I was a tiny bit letdown for MGS5 gameplay where you dont have the entire moveset and some other things that were present in 4, still really great gameplay in 5 though which introduced some new things in of itself. 4 is my favourite.
The 1st act, 2nd act, 3rd act, and 4th act were all epic to me. What really disappoint me is the 5th act. They really force with the cutscenes in the 5th act.
Facts bruh , I think the first act in general was the strongest. And at the start when you are in the battlefield and then the cowmechs appear that was intense!
I agree I mean at least this felt like a MGS game unlike MGSV which was just a boring open world, reptitive game with a lacking, forced in story
Not even close. Best part of MGS4 is crawling through that tunnel while your suit explodes.
I don't even understand what this individuals talking about when they say lack of detail I would argue Metal Gear Solid 4 continues the series tradition of ridiculous detail everywhere.
The whole damn game is amazing.
"war has changed"
Dunno about that, but the first section was pretty tense. IMO, one of the best ways to do a tutorial there is, because you could still die. When you hear those Gekkos and they show up and start stalking you, it was a showcase for what MGS was all about. I think it was my favorite MGS game because it was so well executed, and didn't have a lot of oddities to the game play mechanics which could break the immersion like the other games. While I never thought the older games were bad in any way, I felt MGS4 really put it all together perfectly. MGS5 had better game play, but it was lacking in execution at times, and the story wasn't all that great, otherwise it would have been my favorite.
You mean an opening that includes Old Snake's unbelievably, well-crafted monologue for MGS4? Okay, mate. LOL.
After a decade after that monologue, just replace “war” with “Konami” in that speech and it becomes even more relevant
Dude yes!! Lol
Ikr. I feel like I just stepped out of a time machine with this article.
Really ? MGS4 is my personal favorite.
For me it's basically a tie between MGS 3 and 4. (Although I would say 4 should absolutely be played on hard mode for a better experience) Both are pretty different games in terms of pacing, environment, general gameplay, story... 3 has the best standalone story but 4 managed to take an entire complex series and give it an actual fitting ending that fully explained many mysteries. (Something that's rare these days, just look at series like Lost which just kept piling mysteries to BS their viewers to keep watching for answers) 3 was slower paced, 4 had more OMG moments, but both worked well given their tone. 3 had more interesting boss characters but 4 had improved gameplay mechanics. Honestly, it's down to the wire for me. Both are incredible, as are MGS 1 and 2. Peace Walker was great too. I didn't care at all for Phantom Pain... Perfect name for it as it still hurts to this day, lol.
Mine too. Though I realise it's subjective MGS4 is easily my favourite entry in the series. The perfect game for a PS4 remaster too as technical limitations(2 installations, frequent loading) were it's main flaw and can now be remedied.
So far? Well, whatever, but the tiresome, scripted hospital sequence at the start of V is easily the worst of the lot. I had to force myself to play through that.
I was thinking the same thing! MGSV as a whole was a big disappointment but the opening hour was by far the worst part. I was honestly cringing at how bad it was. After Ground Zeroes managed such a heart-rending climax I was baffled with how badly MGSV carried on from that. When Boss pretends to be dead by OBVIOUSLY BREATHING AND FLUTTERING HIS EYELIDS AND DOING NOTHING TO GET AWAY so the guards who were mercilessly shooting corpses stand there and DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING dear God, it's such a joke. Also the bit where Boss is in the middle of a bunch of people in a corridor and is not only the only survivor, but gets out without a scratch. Even Michael Bay could've done better.
Worst? Lol, it was one of the only engaging parts in the game storywise.
Maybe, but that's not saying much.
I didn't mind it the first time. The 2nd time though....that was too much. They could have had the story reveal without having to replay the whole damn thing. If you were somewhat perceptive at the beginning, you already would have known that story reveal anyways.
MGS 4 > MGS V. No doubt about it.
mgs 4 i remember paying $110 for that game. loved it and i still think some nest graphics ever, it was beyond its time.
Are you serious?
I remember commenting on this game waaaaayyy back. I didn't care for it but I was taken back by the feeling of immersion. The only other games that gave me that feeling were Socom because of the sound and uncharted 1 with views... and sea of thieves
Couldn't disagree more. I think they are some of the best because it offers the stealth gameplay that I love and its stealth mechanics are the best in the franchise alongside MGS5. It's later in the game that the game starts disappointing me when I'm asked to follow a guy, when I'm asked to shoot some guys from a bike and when I'm asked to avoid those stupid robot spiders in shadow moses. If the game kept offering me the franchise's classic gameplay that I love, it would probably my second favorite after MGS3.
Agreed so hard! I think the entire game is meh and boring. Never understood the hype. First 3 games were dope but after that nah
Makes me think you’re lying about the first 3 games, you never played them did you?. MEtal Gear 4 is the conclusion to the other 3 games you played. Any fan of the first 3 automatically would love 4
I don't agree with this individual but I also don't think the individuals lying Metal Gear Solid 4 is Amazing Story wise but gameplay wise I would actually agree it's one of the weakest because it's sort of feels confused. New beginning to as your playing as snake just doing normal infiltration but even then you're sort of limited and it doesn't really feel like the earlier Metal Gear Solid games. Based on the previews I actually thought most of the game was going to be like the first two Acts, then you're thrown into this really bad stealth mission, then you return to Shadow Moses fighting robots and then going forward it's nothing but lots of crazy firefights. Keep in mind it's not a bad game it's still an absolutely amazing game but lots of parts of Metal Gear Solid 4 move away from the classics stealth concept so much so that I actually put Metal Gear Solid 5 above Metal Gear Solid 4 simply based on stealth elements in the actual game actually really being just about Stealth. So I put Metal Gear Solid 4 on a having the way better story clearly But Metal Gear Solid 5 having the superior gameplay which one you think about it is going to have to Trump the entire game if you understand you're playing a game as opposed to just watching it I felt Metal Gear Solid 4 cutscenes were just way way way too long and this is coming from a metal gear solid fan that felt like the vast majority of the game sitting down and watching it. So I don't necessarily agree with the author I actually like the first two acts in Metal Gear Solid 4 a lot in regards to Gameplay element. but I also don't completely agree with your post that anyone who's a fan of 3 is automatically go to love 4 , that is completely incorrect as Metal Gear Solid 3 is easily one of my favorite games of all time and I actually hold Metal Gear Solid 4 as my least favorite of the Metal Gear Solid series But that's just me personally so understand what I'm saying is simply please do not stay at someone's automatically going to like another game as I actually find it completely disrespectful to begin trying to speak for an entire community of Gamers as I myself can only speak for myself personally. for ME it's MGS3 MGS2 MGS1 MGSV MGPW MGS4. So I'm not saying you need to agree with this individual but please do not say this person is lying just because they have a different view than you I mean I'm not saying you're lying and I have a different opinion about the Metal Gear Solid series. So I don't feel really think any of us are lying I simply just think we all have different opinions. Keep in mind I might feel that Metal Gear Solid 4 is my least favorite Metal Gear Solid game but it's in my top 5 favorite PlayStation 3 games ever made. So I enjoy the things you do in Metal Gear Solid much more than simply just the story alone, I really miss a lot of cool stealth infiltration stuff in the other Metal Gear Solid games that's a bit absent in 4.
4 was a disappointment compared to 3.
I don’t really care if you think I played the first 3 or not. I still think they are way better than 4. I really do think 4 was a little messy and a bit boring. I never played 5 because I was down on it after 4. For me I like 3 then 2 then 1.
I strongly disagree with this opinion lol
What a crappy opinion this man has...
Mgs4 ps4 remaster when?
Lol just no. MGS4 kicked ass. And MGS4 opening hours are mind boggling good. Completely different tone than any other Metal Gear game to date. Old Snake is epic. Kojima's Metal Gear series is one of, if not the greatest damn series of all time. And MGS4 is a masterpiece.
Absolutely I would argue the first opening acts and sequencing in Metal Gear Solid 4 is some of the best in the series all the metal gear solid openings have always been really amazing. Ironically I like the first two acts in Metal Gear Solid 4 gameplay wise better than most of the game. For the most part I simply wanted to do stealth things around humans.
Good thing this is just an "opinion" piece as it's a poor one.
I still think 4 is the best of the franchise.
who is this morron
"I recently completed MGS 2 and 3 for the first time" ...well this explains a lot
Lol What?! MGS4's opening war was revolutionary for the series. You mean to tell me the building in the background that crumbles mid gameplay and causes a dust storm through the alley you are fighting a war through "is lacking tension, and struggling to modernize the series gameplay we would see refined in MGS V?!" Just....lol. MGSV was one of the best games of all time and revolutionized the series in almost every way. I actually appreciate the fan service parts of the story. The opening was amazing and it was the most "Metal Gear" fashion imaginable. MUCH more then MGSV.
Nice opinion article, that's about all that is.. MGS4 first few hours are one of the best in the series. Now MGS5 is a different story, I felt like a grind for the opening hours..
Agree . I’m that much of a Metal Gear fan I even had to play and complete Survive because Metal Gear . But yes 3 is my fav game ever and 4 shits all over V also .
I think the worst part of mgs 4 is the follow part...I think its act 3 but to each their own
Another latecomer. You mean went and played MGS games from the beginning and not revisiting. IV is a great culmination of events of the other games' stories and is actually really well done, especially the intro. If you think MGSV's gameplay is the pinnacle of the series, you are either too young or can't see the magnificence that is present in all the previous games. Even MGS has better boss mechanics than 80% of following games. V just didn't hit the spot.
This guy clearly isn't a true MGS fan.
This guy clearly doesn't know MGS.
No mgs5 was the worst part of the whole franchise wish I never played it. I will just stick with the memory's of the masterpieces that was 123 and 4
Want to hear a joke? ........Metal Gear Solid Survive
It goes like this 3=4, 1.2.5
Never heard of this site. Is it a relevant website?
Okay, now that we've had plenty of time to digest it, can't we all just agree that MGS4 is amazing, and even if there is too much of the nonsense story it's done so well we shouldn't even care?
MGS4 was the best in the series, from beginning to end. If anything, Ground Zeros was the low point of the series.
Must of played the wrong game to me then mate . As 4 was a real true swan song to the life’s of the excellent legend Solid Snake and Big Boss. MGSV apart from gameplay was a let down . MGS4’s first few chapters were amazing seeing and hearing our hero as real man a old man that can’t keep it up much more . Then the Revisiting Shadow Moses brought a tear to my eye . Best game since 3 in my eyes . V is not even close.
I remember owning the game before I even owned a PS3. Had to get it right on my birthday and kept it on my game shelve for over three months before I got a PS3 and I played the hell out of that game.