The NPD Group's Mat Piscatella says there's "no need" for the PS5 to launch earlier.
I agree, 2020 seems like a good time for the PS5, 2019 is still a great year in terms of games for the PS4: The Last of Us II, Death Stranding, Tsushima (presuming these games come out in that year). I do expect a PS4 price cut at E3.
I'm hoping for a late 2020 release, I don't see a decent bump in performance coming cheap before then. The biggest news at E3 will be Borderlands 3 :)
Biggest? I have to disagree.
Between the heavy-hitting releases over the next few years & PS5 at or around 2020...PlayStation is looking pretty darn good for the foreseeable future
2013 - TLOU + PS4 2016 - PS4 Pro 2019 - TLOU2 + PS5 (?)
Honestly we have reached a point that if 4k is going to be practical, then either we should have 2GB SSD at a decent price, or better yet a new physical media that can store 4k games and not have such slow read speeds. 2020 may be a bit early for that so a 2022 release would be best.
2020 would see a 100-200% increase at best, and that's at $500 which Sony fans state is too high a price. 2022 is likely when we will see an affordable upgrade with decent specs.
@dial I was talking about the biggest news for me - not you. @will You think a 12.6TF GPU (a 200% increase) would be a small upgrade? Fair enough.
Really hope it is 2020, no need to rush it out. Plenty of games still coming to PS4 and I'm still playing catch up on some.
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Naughty Dog already confirmed LOU2 is releasing 2018
2020 is too soon. This generation is so ADHD. I feel like the PS4 just came out
You must be getting old, man. Six-to-seven years has been the console generation gap for years. Hell, between gen five and six there was only a five year gap with Nintendo's console.
Well the reality is that this winter, it'll have been 5 years. November 2020 puts that at 7 years. A good time for a new console.
Death Stranding in 2019 seems really optimistic, but I hope you're right (as long as it's good).
FF VII R 3 episodes too every year or two. PS4 is gonna last 7 to 10 years active until Feb 20 2023
PS3 did the 10 year thing so I don't see why this wouldn't
2020 works for me :3
PS5 will have two versions a home console only and a version with its own screen but both will be small and light enough like a laptop.
I'm totally fine with a late 2020 release date. Around September or November would be great. Getting another 2-3 years out of my Pro is nice! We still got tons of heavy hitters coming in 2018-2019 I'm glad console generations are still continuing.
Likely November 2020.
2020 will allow better ryzen cpu and a better gpu then 2019. Maybe from 8 to 10 in 2019 to 12 to 16 teraflops in 2020
If you think you're getting 16TFLOPS you're crazy. You're asking for a $699-799 console bud. As much as I'd support it, that's unreasonable for everyone else. 9-10 most likely. DF is thinking a similar jump from PS4 to Pro because of the node switch.
It's possible considering that Xbox One X already has some games that perform better than the PC versions.
PS4 had 8 times the flops as PS3, so 16 TFLOPS isn't that far fetched. Prices will be down in 2 years.
I agree. The xbox one x is ahead of its time with 6tf. If it had a cpu to match the gp then it wud be a £550 console for sure!! For ps5 to be 8-10tf with a beefy cpu then we will have to wait until 2020 I say. That's roughly when those specs will be a realistic £400 price to consumers 👍
I'm willing to pay even a $1000 for a top of the line hardware in the PS4. But I know most people wouldn't so I will not get my hopes up. We will see how many TF we will be getting.
@Pantz No. There is not.
Pointless debating it as its gonna be whatever Sony can afford it to be. Did anyone predict the absolute crappy CPUs in the XB1 and PS4 this far ahead of their release. People would have been saying Cell 2 for PS4.
9 to 10 Tflops wouldn'be big enough a technological gap for a system coming out in late 2020 when the Xbox One X is already at 6 Tflops. It managed to add 1,8 Tflops compared to the PS4 Pro while releasing only a year later. That wouldn't add up. Almost 3 more years in the making just to add 3 or 4 Tflops compared to the X? Nah, they (both MS & Sony) can and must come up with more than that.
I expect the PS5 to be at least 12 TFLOPS for $399.99. A GTX 1080 Ti has 11.3 TFLOPS at the moment, but in 2-3, the low-end cards that will be out then will have more than that. The XX50 or XX60 cards will have 12 TFLOPS in 2019 or 2020.
Digital Foundry already did the damn math and a jump to 7nm will only double the power while making the console louder and bigger. So for $399 you get 9 TFLOPS, $499 you get 12 TFLOPS. You also have to consider RAM increase and HDD increase, and considering X1X is sold at a loss you're into $549-599 territory for 12 TFLOPS. Lastly basing it on previous jumps is crazy. You stated PS4 was 8x but previous jumps were 40-50x between generations. The jumps get lesser with time. Consider RAM. PS3 had 16x RAM of PS2. PS4 has 16x RAM of PS3. So by your logic we'd get 16x RAM again. That's 128GB, which is $500 on it's own. Basing this on last-gen's jump you're looking at a $1050 console. It's not happening. I'm sticking by Digital Foundry. $399 and we'll be lucky for 9TFLOPS, $499 and we'll be lucky for 12.
@AnubisG I’m with you but the market won’t be , so I am guessing 400-500$ s what the price range will be
It will not be 8 TFLOPS, the PS5 will be around 12 - 15 TFLOPS with a much better CPU. The Vega 64 GPUs are already in the 11 - 14 TFLOPS range depending on the cooling and clock speeds, and they're 2017 cards. AMD is preparing to go from their 14nm down to 7 nm cards, which should produce a potential 25% - 30% boost in performance for the upcoming 2018 Vega 2 cards. PS5's architecture should be based off the 2019 Navi GPUs also using 7nm, which by then should max out performance on the architecture, with a couple of benefits from the 2020 GPUs. So by 2020 we're likely looking at 20 TFLOPS with standard 1 GHz clock for the high-end, which means mid-range should at minimum be 10 TFLOPS (most likely 12 TFLOPS, aka 2x the power of the XBO-X) and in the $200 budget range, which is what the PS5 will be aiming for.
Its unrealistic to expect current gen GPUs in consoles like Navi in 2020. We'll be lucky to get Vega 64 7nm and a decent Ryzen CPU. All we need to do is look at AMD'S APU roadmap. Then there's the additional cost of RAM, will they go for 16gb RAM ? Will a 256gb SDD + 2tb 7200rpm HDD be a realistic expectation by 2020? What kind of a cooling system will they choose? Will it have the next evolution of 4K Bluray in terms of capacity and read speeds? Will Sony integrate PSVR 2's video processing unit within the console and how will it affect the final price? Lots of questions I know. One thing's for sure though, Sony will get the best hardware they can for a 400 dollar box. But, what if they release a 500-550 dollar Pro alongside the regular ps5? Think about it, why disrupt the market and devs mid gen when you can offer this choice from the get go and stick to the 5-6 year gen? I for one will probably wait for the ps5 pro now that I know its coming, I'm sure other people are too simply because I will not be spending 400 bucks every 3 years on a console. It makes sense for a simultaneous regular and pro release imho.
The reality is, if they are thinking a 2020 release, then they're finalizing the hardware specs this year.
Beautiful time right there
Seems reasonable that 2018 would be PS4’s peak year
I have a good feeling PS4 will be up YoY, and 2018 will be it’s peak year. Push comes to shove, it could easily do 23 - 25 million, especially with the major new exclusives, the big third party titles releasing this year, and the potential for that permanent price drop to $199. 100 million by March 31st 2019 is pretty much guaranteed. I honestly wouldn’t complain if PS5 didn’t happen until 2021, just to give Sony that much more time for to develop excellent hardware for a good price, like they did with PS4. With the current lineup of PS4 exclusives, they’ve got nothing but time.
Do you guys think the reveal will be on E3’s 2019 or 2020s though?
Hopefully 2020 and with preorders going live right than just like they did with the PS4.
PSX event 2019 in December?
2021 November. i think, many studios going to move to better graphics towards their next titles, and those will come on PS5. Pro is still powerful enough to carry them until 2021.
I like what Sony have done with the ps4 pro. It's a ps4 but has bigger muscles lol 💪
To early. Ps4, Ps4 Pro, Ps5 in 5 years.
The console generation will never go 7 years again. The ps3 gen seemed to go on forever. And even after that long wait the ps4 still wasnt as powerful as we hoped. The ps3 did 720-1080p games and guess what... the ps4 did better looking 720-1080p games. Follow this rule... ps4 came out nov 2013 and 3 years later in 2016 the ps4pro came its only logical 3 years later in 2019 the ps5 launches. The ps4 will still be 199 on holiday 2019 and the pro could be 249-299. By 2019 the ps4 will be well past 100 mil consoles sold. Just because you could wait until 2020 for a ps5 doesnt mean sony will. Their consoles sell great well past a new console comes out. Look how much longer after the ps3 launched did the ps2 continue to sell. Just because theres games still comming in 2019 (got, dt, ect) doesnt mean the ps5 cant release. Like many are speculating, i bet theres already devs making games for the ps5 if not now surely by the end of this year. After ghosts of tsushima, tlou2, death stranding... those will probably be some of the last big 1st partys comming to the ps4 and then dev moves to ps5 mostly. Ive had a ps4 since day one so im ready in 2019. Thats almost 2 years from now. If the ps5 launched holiday 2019 that would be a whole 2 years after the xb1x... plenty of time to have better cpu, gpu, ram, ect for 399-449
The PS5 will not compete against XBX. It is not a parameter for new generation consoles. If it is, it is best to continue with the PS4.
Never said compete. The xb1x cant even compete with the base ps4 from 2013 lol
Exactly @ILostMyMind If the goal is just to beat the X1X in power, then they are screwed. No way they can release a $500 machine with 2x the X1X power by 2020.
@WilliamSheridan Don't fool yourself. For that price they can release a console 4x powerful than XBX today. XBX still use a 2013 tablet processor. @paintedgamer1984 Totally agree.
Pretty sure Sony will decide to launch any new ps4 games after ps5 launch on both. I just cant see next gen only games right away anymore. Horizon 2 launch title would be cool.
Not right away... but i believe most AAA sony first partys will mainly be making games for the ps5 up to a year or 2 before it launches. Its got to be an uneasy balancing act to make sure the ps5 has games on launch but not abandon the ps4. Plus, wasnt the last us basically one of the last ps3 exclusives to come. That was in 2013. Im not going to google but im sure 2012 wasnt a big 1st party push either as fall 2013 began a big push for ps4. Its funny but in 2015 if some random person told us sony fans a midgen ps4pro was comming fall 2016 we would not believe them.
History shows that every PlayStation generation is supported at least 10 years. Which means the ps4 will get support at least until 2023.
Ps5 is already in development, going by the ps4 being in development since 2008. They just taking there time to make it perfect so I'll also so 2020 but really no one knows but them.
I don't think this is much of a newsudden. We as plain know Sony will not and should not rush to release a ps5. Fall 2020 will be perfect time. I also don't see Sony ever crossing the $399 mark so temper your expectations I think realistic: Minimum 16GB ram(I expect closer to 20 because Xbox X launched in 2017 with 12GB) 12TF or more We may think being more powerful may cost mode think of it from Sony and part makers point of views. Company's like Sony, Ms and Nintendo buy in millions(quantity wise) so they do the get any near the office the shelf prices that we see Also keep in mind ps5 will get to the market before next Xbox meaning they will have the market to themselves but they also have to make their console a bit future proof With these mid generation upgrades both Sony and Ms have advantages and disadvantages(from business and market share point of view) For example: Ps5 will come to market first but ms can learn from launch of ps5 and make proper improvements. Xbox launching 2nd means it will have to go against a console with a 10 plus million install base and possibly lower price
I expect $500 or it'll use smartphone chips. If PS4 and PS5 are compatible, in the first two years the difference will be only eye candy (1080p x 4K).
There has to be a demand for Xbox for any of your statement to hold weight.,, So far, there is none. Sony does not have to worry about Microsoft outside of monopoly tactics or if they decide to become a gaming company.
i would agree with that. gives the ps4 a long opportunity without shorting everyone and the cost of production of the new hardware with new gpu's etc should be reasonable by then. the ps4 pro adds some added power for the holdover
To be honest i'd be happy with 2023. Giving the PS4 a 10 year life cycle helps develop the PS5 10 years ahead. I still play my PS3 even to this day, so i see no reason to not expand PS4's span ahead of previous consoles from Sony.
I hope it comes only when XBO exceeds the PS4 in sales.
Also youre on crack lol. The xb1 will be lucky to sell 50 mil lifetime. The ps4 is already nearing 80 mil
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Sjeesh! You don't want a PS5 at all then? Because that is what you're basically hoping for! :p
As long as I can at least play my ps4 games on the ps5 and is a beefy machine I'm happy :)
Historically each Playstation generation has been a year longer than its predecessor so a 2021 release is most likely.
Another day, another PS5 article. People have been talking about it since before the PS4 even launched. When the PS5 is finally rolled out there will be articles about the PS6. Some things never change.
I think 100% PS5 is launching Late 2019 to Early 2020, in 2013 PS3 had their last batch of Exclusives for Example Beyond: Two Souls, The Last Of Us And Gran Turismo 6 And PS4 launched that Fall. In 2019 PS4/PS4 Pro will have their last batch of Exclusives The Last Of Us 2, Death Stranding and Ghost Of Tsushima and PS5 should launch that Fall 6 years from PS4 and 3 years from the Mid Gen Upgrade PS4 Pro, I really think Sony is switching to 3 Year Hardware Refresh Cycles with the PS4/ PS4 Pro set up continuing every 3 years as that’s Sony best strategy going forward. PS4 28nm Fall 2013 PS4 Pro 16nm Fall 2016 and PS5 7nm Fall 2019 to early 2020.
Think its way past the point that gamers stop using game industry terms. One is the audience, the other the maker of product aimed at the audience. The issue being that the business of making games has become too much business minded with less and less regard for the audience. Another instance of people being reduced to a dehumanized algorithm.
I think PS5 will have a headstart on Xbox Two, considering the One X not long ago released.Which will put Sony inline again to take out the next generation