Ubisoft disclosed its financial results for the third quarter of the current fiscal year, including a breakdown of sales by platform.
Not surprised at all. The install base is the reason for that.
So why PC isn't dominating?
Considering the shitty PC ports and downright shady optimization efforts, I'm surprised PC is as high as it is.
Last Qtr (Oct-Dec 2017) Ubisoft sold more games on PS4 than Xbox One & PC...COMBINED (44% vs 40%) AND Last 9 months (Apr-Dec 2017) Ubisoft sold more games on PS4 than Xbox One & PC...COMBINED (41% vs 40%) https://ubistatic19-a.akama... - Page 4
It isn't. 😃
What's with all the down votes? It's a legit point.
PlayStation is the King of Third Party Games.
look at the games they release, most of them have much less appeal to pc gamers than console gamers.
Because there are at least 2 markets on the PC. One is the F2P one since 2008 and heavily dominating and the other is the AAA one (Steam and such). Guess which one is the bigger of the two. Steam is just a mere nuiance. It only survives thanks to the double dippers out there buying same games twice or even trice, the die hard PC is dead and generates about as much as Microsoft´s Xbox or even less Steam 2015 ~3,5bn Steam 2016 ~3,6bn Microsoft Xbox 4+ 2016 with a much smaller user base and games (Steam ca. 20K vs 1K on the Xbox). Most users on Steam dont even fire up the games they´ve purchased.
Because the PC install base that consistently plays games isn’t as big as people think it is. You can’t just count active Steam accounts, because there is no cost to having a steam account and anyone can make one. You can’t look at the install base on PC the same way you can traditional consoles, as PCs are a home utility too.
Because there's so much to play on PC that sales are spread out between more games. PC gaming as a whole generates more game sales revenue than any single console.
In the last quarter PS4 accounts for 44% of Ubisoft sales and XBO for 25%. If that is a reflection of marketshare (which it often is the truest signal) then it means Sony have sold almost double the units that Microsoft have done. What I'm most surprised about is that last-gen consoles; 360, PS3, Wii U, Wii, only account for 4%. Which means last-gen is almost closed down.
Oh burn LOL!
> Not surprised at all. The install base is the reason for that. Yes. The PS4 is 75-76 million worldwide. The Xbox One is only 25-27 million worldwide. When a console like the Xbox One bombs in the market that badly its dwindling fans buy less and less games because the motivation to spend money on what is a dying system just isn't there.
The Xbox One has been reported to be over 30 million for awhile now
'been reported' In other words the little kid Xbox fan at vgchartz... What is hilarious about the rapidly dwindling Xbox fanbase is just how divorced from reality they are. The PS4 and Xbox One launched at the same time and the PS4 has been consistently outselling the Xbox One three to one or more each month worldwide. The three to one or greater should not surprise anyone given the Xbox One is dead in both Japan and all of Europe outside of the UK. And even in the US the Xbox One is getting easily beaten by the PS4. In other words we are all supposed to believe the Xbox One has sold roughly half the units the PS4 has worldwide while only selling a third or less each month worldwide. It should be obvious why Microsoft absolutely refuses to release even their silly shipment to retailer numbers they try to pretend are actual sales. If they released the actual dismal Xbox One sales numbers a good chunk of the already tiny Xbox fanbase would throw in the towel on the failure of a console. The Xbox One is selling at just about exactly the same rate as the first Xbox marketplace failure fifteen years ago. It isn't any sort of coincidence that the without the Xbox 360's RRoD massively inflating sales numbers this time that Microsoft's worldwide sales have fallen magically back down to Xbox levels.
I'm not saying it is or isn't just saying what has been said
> I'm not saying it is or isn't just saying what has been said It's been 'said' that: * The Xbox One would put out PS4 level graphics * That Microsoft has large numbers of exclusive games about to be revealed * The Xbox One X was going to be a 'beast' and not just another Dreamcast type graphical dud * That the Xbox One was going use 'teh Cloud' to put out PS4 level graphics * That a magic SDK update was coming that would allow the Xbox One to put out PS4 level graphics Fanboys and fanboys in the media say lots of stuff.
So when some PS fans say Xbox is being outsold by 2:1 wouldn't their logic mean that the Xbox One is around 30 million even though it may not even be accurate
> So when some PS fans say Xbox is being outsold by 2:1 They are either: 1. Being polite to Xbox fans 2. Dumb enough to be getting their console sales numbers from vgchartz(or somewhere dumb enough to be repeating them) The Xbox One is completely dead in Japan. It is selling almost no consoles in that region. The Xbox One has been outsold in everywhere in Europe since launch in the five to one range by the PS4. Combine those two realities of Xbox One sales and it is not even POSSIBLE for the Xbox One to be selling anywhere near two to one lifetime worldwide sales. You don't even have to factor in the Xbox One getting easily outsold in the last of the three major console regions, the US. The dwindling number of Xbox fans can believe whatever fake sales numbers they want. It isn't going to change the reality of Microsoft's failure in the console market once again.
So where are you getting your numbers from? You say don’t get your numbers from some little kid xbox fan on VGchartz (who has consistently under reported xbox games like halo 5 which hit 5 million in sales in the first 3 months yet two years later still sits below 5 million on that site, or forza horizon 3 that has announced more sales then vgchartz has reported) But yet you are pulling numbers out of your ass and claiming them to be true. Put some real numbers out there then talk like it’s a fact. Because all we have ever got was a slip from EA 2 years ago that said the combined sales between the two consoles was over 55 million. This when the PS4 was at 35 million https://arstechnica.com/gam... So yes please enlighten me
X-Box is at 35 million, but still eay behind.
at this point, with how anti-console MS has become, I think its best if gamers stoped supporting them until they lowered the pistol they are holding to the head of console gaming as we know and love it.
@Transform Berates people for getting numbers from VGCharts, then pulls numbers out of a hat. A bit hypocritical there. Who knows, your numbers could be right, but noone here actually knows, they just act like they know.
Why do you assume that I'm only talking about VGC when I am in fact talking about any site/person who has said what they think the number is, but yeah just jump to a conclusion and run with it because you think that VGC is the only place
Hold up! This was also the case 1-2 years ago when PS4 sold more copies of Ubi games but the Ph.Ds in mathematics of this site said Attach rate was more important. What happened!?
well if you look at attach rate based on consoles sold, The xbox one has a better attach rate on these games. If the PS4 has outsold the xbox one 2-1 then why aren’t PS4’s share of the games sales double the xbox ones? PS4 sold 44% of UBisoft games with twice the marketshare Xbox 1 sold 25% of total Ubi games. which puts it at a better attach rate, since 1/2 the install base has bought more then half the PS4 percentage
^There you are lol! Comparing attach rates when the gap in sales is this big between the 2 is not as accurate. The least sold console will always have the bigger percentage.
obviously selling more copies will equal more money, but attach rate is a different animal. You brought up attach rate which i showed the xbox has a better attach rate based off of these charts. But obviously the PS4 brought in more money for UBI and no one is arguing that, and they would be stupid to argue. @halomasterchief your one day old troll account isn’t fooling anyone. Just another Sony fanboy alt, this one just created to take backhanded shots at Xbox
Looks like you spoke too soon. :P OT: As usual, PS4 continues to dominate!
As usual, Krib has no idea what he's talking about. Are you going to seriously deny that Sony made Ubisoft the most money?
Why did Krib get so many down votes? He's telling a fact. You people act like it's an insult or he's says Xbox made Ubisoft more money. I swear someone could say Xbox logo is more green than ps and you people would down vote lol.
Krib, despite there being some legitimacy to your thinking, you know PS4 fans will never see it that way. Keep fighting the good fight though.
'If the PS4 has outsold the xbox one 2-1 then why aren’t PS4’s share of the games sales double the xbox ones?' Maybe because they have more games to choose from. . . . It's not rocket science. The attach rate will be higher for all games if you have the choice of ten games over those who have the choice of 20. . People also don't have infinite money or time. Sometimes you have to make a choice.
Well sales are still more important to developers than attach rate. Any idiot can see how the revenue formula is constructed and come to the conclusion that revenue is based off price and quantity sold.
@ krib and Darth So you don't think the fact PS4 has more games available effects the attach rate of individual titles? When a gamer walks into a store with $60 and goes to the Xbox section and sees newly released titles like For Honor and Wild lands... and another gamer with $60 walks into the PlayStation section and sees newly released titles such as For Honor, Wildlands, Horizon, Nioh, and Nier... you don't think there is a smaller chance the PS4 gamer will buy a Unisoft title than the Xbox gamer? Even when you consider they are of different genres, to a gamer that likes many genres, they are competing for his money. There are roughly 20% more PS4 games than Xbox One, that's 20% more competition for gamers money. EDIT: @ Darth do you think Xbox gamers will see it that way?
@r2ob, I dont disagree with what you said but maybe that is a question better suited for a non ubisoft article.
@trooper “As usual, Krib has no idea what he's talking about. Are you going to seriously deny that Sony made Ubisoft the most money?” i never said that. i actually said the opposite. “But obviously the PS4 brought in more money for UBI and no one is arguing that, and they would be stupid to argue. ” but genji brought up attach rate, which by the 2-1 install base ratio MS has a higher ubisoft attach rate. Simple @R2ob Genji brought up ubi attach rates, which i replied to. sure more selection effects it. i never argued against that. But Xbox does still have the higher per console attach rate on Ubi titles, and that was what i stated
The article isn't about attached rates based on console sold, krib.
***If the PS4 has outsold the xbox one 2-1 then why aren’t PS4’s share of the games sales double the xbox ones? *** Because there's a typical drop off on the ratio between market share and attach rate on a single game basis. A ten million market share is typically comprised of more hard core users who tend to buy more software than others, but that diminishes as the market share increases because there's a finite number of hardcore. Doubling that market share doesn't mean twice as many people buy the game, only that the potential exists to capture the less hardcore to casual market area. This is why both Microsoft and Sony tend to focus on overall attach rates which will be higher than individual attach rates by game typically whereas Nintendo does the opposite because the attach rate for their exclusives tend to blow other game attach rates out of the water.
“ziggurcat1h ago The article isn't about attached rates based on console sold, krib” Obviously not ziggur. But Genji is the one that brought up attach rates “AspiringProGenji7h ago Hold up! This was also the case 1-2 years ago when PS4 sold more copies of Ubi games but the Ph.Ds in mathematics of this site said Attach rate was more important. What happened!?” to which i responded that the attach rate of UBI games do sway to the xbox favour still. But again like I said “But obviously the PS4 brought in more money for UBI and no one is arguing that, and they would be stupid to argue.” but some people went into a blind a rage and chose what they wanted to read instead of actually reading what was said. Ps4 generated more money for UBI Xbox one has a better per console attach rate to UBI Again, Genji brought up attach rates, not me
Attach rate is only as good as console sales for an specific console go. When in comparison with the much bigger audience it really means nothing. The bigger the audience, the less attach rate.
No, Krib. You're the one bringing it up. The article is about the percentages of the total number of monetary sales, not attach rates.
@ziggur the comment we both are replying to is what brought up attach rates......You can’t honestly be that daft. “AspiringProGenji11h ago Hold up! This was also the case 1-2 years ago when PS4 sold more copies of Ubi games but the Ph.Ds in mathematics of this site said Attach rate was more important. What happened!” The very comment and the first one to bring up attach rates.
It's not the install base, it's the type of install base. It's rare that 10% of any install base will buy any major release. This is especially true in the console market where typically the percentage of the market who are more likely to buy major releases in the first month tends to be split between the two at a less skewed level where PC tends to buy less overall until it's on sale. Sony is dominating at this level not because they sold more consoles, they are dominating at this level because they overwhelmingly got that sweet spot of 14-24 demographic who are most likely to buy games at release. This is the opposite effect of what happened with the Wii and is more profitable if you can maintain it. This is why Microsoft is doing what they are doing--better hardware, game pass, BC--to push back. Love competition. Love it.
While I agree that competition is good, the response to it needs to be measured carefully. Backwards compatibility is nice, but not making a dent in Sony's lead, Game Pass has yet to really show what it will do, and the better hardware doesn't seem to be swaying many buyers to Xbox (certainly not enough to pull many people from their PS4's and Switch's). The PS3 began to catch up to the 360 because the competition was showing what kind of impact it can have on a brand/company - and Sony responded properly. When they started giving gamers what they wanted, the sales gap between the two closed. Right now, Microsoft has sold, roughly 35-36 million Xbox One machines and should end the gen around 50 million. While that is solid for Xbox, given it is not very strong around the world, it's still many steps back from the 360. For that type of success, they need something more than what they currently offer. Create more In-house games and properties, for example (titles that will ONLY release on Xbox and be home-runs like Gears of War and Halo were). That will make a bigger splash than any of other things we discussed.
***Backwards compatibility is nice, but not making a dent in Sony's lead,*** I disagree as you don't see the effect. But it stops people from moving to new consoles entirely when they can play older games and new ones on the same machine. It's not stopping them from winning, but it does help slightly in halting the decline rate of their user base on consoles and increases revenue from GWG.
Yes, BC is padding a fall, but it’s not enough. They need to do more.
Business continues as usual
Why even release the games for Xbox. Just release them on switch instead.
Because it still makes money? The profit they make far outweighs the money and resource required to create an Xbox version of the game. No publisher is going to say no to making a bunch of money.
They would if the Switch could run them, but open world games like AC Origins would never run on the Switch without being scaled back to the point of ugliness.
In before Nintendo fanboys boasting about XenoCro2.
Are you really that dense
Wouldn't have expected switch to sell many compared to the others, and because not really many games from Ubisoft on it yet there's only like 5 or so.
This is hardly surprising. 1. The PS4 is approaching the 80 million sales mark. 2. The Xbone is barely 30 million (?) although MS are too ashamed of the console to reveal numbers. 3. The Switch very under powered and couldn't run Ubisoft's current generation of open world games. 4. As for PC?... only the obese living in their parent's basement give a f**k about PC.
Which shows you know jack shit about PC gamers.
You could of cut the last 3 words off of your reply.
You guys don't know how to do math it seems. If PS4 is beating the Xbox 2:1. How on earth would it all of a sudden be selling less than 30 million?
His post is nonsense. But if his numbers were accurate then that 2:1 ratio would need updating, now wouldn't it? Not that I see anyone here saying anything about ratios that I can tell. You seem to be referring to some past statements made by "you guys". Time to take your pills?
2:1 is too generous at this point. worldwide, the PS4 outsold the Xbone heavily every month. by heavily, I mean from 3:1 to 6:1 in many markets and in Japan, where the Xbone barely sell like 1000 units per months, the PS4 is selling at the rate of 100k-200k units per month which is a ratio of 10:1 to 20:1! if we are talking strictly math here, in order for the Xbone to have 1:2 worldwide ratio to the PS4, it would have to outsold the PS4 heavily in its strongest market - NA and UK but even in these markets, the PS4 is outselling it too! This happened last gen with the PS3 which was outsold constantly in NA but made up the differences worldwide to catch up to the 360. but even a brand as strong as the Playstation took 7-8 years to close that gap down. so, can you see now how the 2:1 ratio is unrealistic and actually being kind to MS rather than downplaying them? it maybe was the ratio during the 1st year and a half but since then, the PS4 has never looked back and the Xbone didn't exactly set the market on fire. that's why anybody including VGChartz claiming the Xbone to be at around 36mil at this point in time is pretty laughable in my opinion. The math alone just doesn't support the claim that the Xbone have even reached 30 mil by now.
Maybe but at times its been 3:1 or even 4:1. These are offset by holiday numbers. But the overall is closer to between 2:1 to 3:1
Ubisoft is doing well. I wonder what the % break down was by country for each console. EU seem like where the difference is at. You'd think MS would try harder there instead of increasing prices and giving less support in comparison to NA. I can understand not GAF about Japan but EU is a big market with wide variety and taste like NA.
I love when xbox people clamor to having a higher attatch rate when in reality the lower install base will always have higher attatch rates. While totally negating the fact the ps4 is making hand over fist more $$ for pretty much every 3rd party known to man when compared to the xb1. And i would assume the xb1 is somewhere between 30-35 million consoles sold even when the xb1x is factored in. Which is pretty sad.
"But The Power of X...." 😱 I thought every multiplatform would sell better on XBX /
No one said it would sell better. But it definitely should perform better.
Makes no sense when it's sold as a premium console. You're delusional. You're name fits you to a T.