Will gamers ever be able to forgive Microsoft for the Xbox One's poor launch, the cancellation of Scalebound, and more?
Twinfinite cruising for clicks. Sad State of journalism, no wonder so many are going to You tube influencers rather than websites.
Give credit for the good, criticize the bad. No reason to dredge up the bad stuff when discussing the good. It's always worth encouraging the good stuff that a company does, because then maybe they'll keep doing the good stuff.
Just enjoy the games
Games you've largely and likely played before?
LoL, no I don't own more than 100 Xbox One games.
So enjoy 360 games on the XBX, because games are only about graphic fidelity.
exactly...and can we forgive these microsoft mistakes...no...microsoft and xbox one is an atrocity...a flaming heap of garbage
@zackeroniii: More like a system that was built for ports rather than its own games.
System one: supposedly has no games or exclusives but some how manages to offer you 100 + games monthly for $10 or System two: has tons of games and tons of exclusive and you'll pay tons of money to play the equivalent amount of games on that system. What a hard choice to make as a gamer. After the quiet yet powerful X combined with gamepass, Gold Live, EA access. MS you are forgiven for given me so many gaming options.
"more like a system that was built for ports rather than its own games" so the games that aren't ports or found on the 360 don't count, because from what I've seen at stores etc the Xbox One doesn't just have Xbox 360 games
Zakeroni And your heaping fanboy. Enjoy playing NOTHING for Tue first quarter of Tue year lol
@Kiwi66: What games are distinct to XB1/XBX?
So you asked what games are distinct to Xbox /Xbox X, how about the one's that aren't/weren't on the Xbox 360 for a start that made their debut on the Xbox One
@Kiwi66: You mean all of the games that are day-one playable on the PC as well? You're not understanding what i'm getting at. While something like the Last of Us was a well received and decent enough PS3 title made better on the PS4, could be ported to the PC, as a day-one PC port it would have been seen as something limited on console. Likely wouldn't be all that on PC. Building for specific hardware specs gives a game advantages and defines the hardware. And by all counts the XBX will never have that definition. Will never be defined because nothing will ever be specifically built for it.
Then following what you said about the Xbox X then that also applies to the PS4 Pro as soon far it's in the same situation as far as games made specifically for them
Yes, exactly. I consider the PS4 Pro to generally be a waste. A transitional system that does VR a bit better than the base PS4. Still, its not carrying the lode stone of having to make up for the XB1 being built around a dead motion accessory. Of being essentially ignored or punished for keeping up with $1000+ PC rigs. Though that's been the industry since PS3/360.
I didn't read the article but here's how I see things: -People forgave Sony for launching the expensive PS3 with no games for the first few years and cancellations of games like Getaway 2 and the FF7 remake that helped unveil the system. -People forgave Nintendo for releasing the cartridge-based N64, the "Minidisc" Gamecube, and cancelling games like the Zelda tech demo everyone wanted. -People can forgive MS as well... >IF< MS can show that it can get serious about games production. That's not going to happen overnight. It took Sony a few years of hard work to gain lost ground last generation and become competitive with 360. It took Nintendo a decade before finally making consoles that play like no others for Nintendo to gain ground again. Some people will never forgive MS for years of neglect in producing games, just like some people won't forgive Sony or Nintendo for the crap they pull, but at least they have the HW ironed out now. No company is perfect, but everyone has their own definitions of what they can forgive. As long as they can produce more varied titles in greater amounts, then many (but not all) people will be able to forgive MS too.
People also forgave Sony for allowing the biggest hack in gaming history to happen...and for then covering it up....for months....while people's credit card information was stolen.
Wrong no evidence of cc info was stolen as the latest analysis showed only personally identifiable info which can be found in the yellowpages were accessed. and they didn't try to cover up anything the hacking occurred around the April 19th Sony shut psn down on the 20th to investigate and informed on may 5th - two weeks later of the hacking with findings from the analysis. It's troubling there are ppl like you spreading misinformation out there when all it takes is a minute to look this up online.
@dirkdaddy so you are rewriting history? Yes, they DID keep quiet about the details for MONTHS, and about the major hack (because it was several intrusions that happened) for at the very least approximately 1 month. Why do you think they had to apologize? I, along with many other people lost money due to their negligence, don't try to cover up for them. It's why I will never trust them with my info ever again. I don't know what is more pathetic, them doing what they did, or people like you attempting to rewrite history, for no reason other than corporate cheerleading.
Prem No CC date was ever compromised but yes that hack shouldn't have happen
The one sounding like they're trying to re-write history is you. OT: For me, it's not about "forgiving", rather, buying who I feel takes care of my needs. Nintendo and Sony (in the console space) do that. What Microsoft must do to keep me interested in Xbox? Release more exclsuive content for it. To the point - games. Otherwise, their mistakes are their mistakes. Humans being humans and I'm not going to behave as if I'm a Saint.
Oh my! I forgot about that one! lol
@LP-eleven yes, details WERE compromised, if you need links I could provide them, but I don't see why I should when the information about the incident is easily accessible with a simple Google search. I was a victim. They apologized for it, but that didn't stop the losses many ppl suffered. Look at how Sony handles people claiming refunds for hacks now, (according to the BBC investigation) if you claim a refund from your cc company, they shut your account down, with very little to no recompense.
They didn't cover it up for months. They announced the hack about 2 weeks after it happened, when they understood the extent of the hack. They were transparent about everything after the announcement about what was taken, and what their customers may have to be concerned about, and that it would take time to bring their system up to par to turn it back on. Personal details were compromised, and Sony let people know what details they were. CC info was stolen, but it was encrypted in a way that couldn't be accessed by the hacker. Any other information taken was readily available through any number of sources publicly available, and not things that people usually try to keep private anyways...like address or email addresses. The hack certainly shouldn't have happened, but don't make up crap to try and make an argument. The actual series of events and repercussions and everything involved in the hack are readily available to see through a google search, so it's easy enough to see you're just making stuff up, or greatly misinformed about what happened. You admit that the details are out there....maybe actually read what those details were and stop twisting around things to try and look like you're knowledgeable about the hack. Maybe also look for reputable sources, instead of the fan boy driven crap that was being thrown out at the time. Sony doesn't shut down your account if you do a charge back. If you claim your account was hacked, then they put it on hold until it's cleared up. Usually takes a few days to a week. You can get your account back if it's really been hacked, and it's permanently restricted if you just do a charge back due to buyers remorse....likely to prevent frivolous charge backs which are quite prevalent nowadays due to the CC companies holding all the power. Yet another detail that is actually explained on Sony's FAQ page about what to do in the case of a problem with your account.
Wait, you're blaming the victim for the crime?
Perm why you gotta lie? It's pathetic.. "The attack occurred between April 17 and April 19, 2011, forcing Sony to turn off the PlayStation Network on April 20. On May 4 Sony confirmed..." That's 2 weeks not months.
Lmao at the sheer fanboyism on show here. Why do you all think Sony had to settle a class action lawsuit for losing among other things, cc information in the hack? https://www.google.co.uk/am... http://www.zdnet.com/articl...
Dude just give it up we can all see your grasping for straws. First you say Sony covered the hack up for months - your proved wrong just two weeks Second, you say CC info was stolen but sony's analysis, and third party independent finding showed no evidence CC info was accessed as where the personal info was accessed. The cc info was encrypted as well regardless. Visa even issued an update they haven't found any uptick in fraudulent activities associated with those accounts. You give class action suits as reasoning but you don't realize those were mostly lodged 24 hours after the announcement. Your not putting 2 and 2 together.
The issue is that MS always seems to try for overnight solutions to their mistakes only to return to old habits. Especially when it comes to beefing up their game library.
Lol. I really admire your ability to hang in there. Keep it up little buddy!
So what's the difference between starting a new studio, and hiring the best in the business from other dev teams, and buying another, existing studio outright to make games for you? Either way you are investing in talent to make new games. Sony bought most of their studios when said studios were already successful.
the Final Fantasy 7 video wasn't the reveal of the remake, but a tech demo showing off the capabilities of the Cell.
People overblew the cost of the system, although it was expensive. That's not something that really needs to be forgiven, just Sony misjudging the market. OTOH, the system kept selling out the first 6 months, and was hard to find for about a year after launch...mostly due to supply issues. Sony didn't cancel that many games for the PS3 that I'm aware of. FF7 was said to be a tech demo, and not an actual game, so nothing to forgive there. As far as not having any games for the first few years, that was just not true. It wasn't heavy, but the system had the games. Xbox actually has fewer 1st/2nd party games now for last year and this one than Sony had for the PS3 the first couple of years. It could have been better for PS3, just like it could be better for the X1 Sony was forgiven because they ended up delivering on the games, and when MS does that, then they can be forgiven for that transgression as well. Nintendo didn't really do anything that needs forgiving either. Their media format was a choice that hurt them due to the changes in the market, but the media provided the games for the system, hence served their purpose well enough. The Zelda tech demo is the same as the FF7 demo.. No cancellation, as it was more of a way to show off the system. MS did some things which were actually anti-consumer in practice. They can be forgiven for them, and overall, it's probably time to move on and not hold it against them anymore. But at the same time, it's worth considering if you want to look at the overall direction that MS may want to go, because some of the stuff they're doing now seems to show that they are just trying to achieve the same thing in a different way....at least with the always online console. I wouldn't forgive them for trying to control physical media the way they did, but I wouldn't hold it against them unless they actually try to do it again. You are right though, making changes doesn't happen overnight. However, MS tends to go through ebbs and flows of their biggest thing, which is games support. The end of the 360 life saw a decline in their hardcore 1st/2nd party output as they held back games for the X1, and focused on casual. Now, they seem to have dropped the ball on having games to provide a steady stream of games for the X1. That's twice that it shows a thing they keep doing, and it's hard to "forgive" them when they show that they keep making the same mistakes.
Sony did a lot of other bad things like asking for control over any IP Nintendo produced on their collaborative "Play Station", lied about selling PS2 prototypes at launch, and removing BC after they mocked 360 for not including it at launch. But I'm sure those things are Pro-consumer, right? There's way more I can get into here about Sony, but there's no point. Nintendo did a lot of other bad things by trying to control their formats through both N64 and Gamecube (two generations, BTW), suing Blockbuster for photocopying instruction manuals in the mid 90's, and suing companies like Turbographix for "false advertising" simply because the company was gaining on Nintendo. There's way more I can get into here too, but none of this was the point either. I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore because, as usual, people want to turn everything into an ignorant pissing match when all that matters in my OP is that each company is guilty of making big mistakes and they can all turn it around if they make the right moves. For MS, that means more studios and IP. It doesn't matter if it comes from a cow, goat or chicken, it's still $#!+. Every company is full of it in their own ways and they all still are, and all MS really needs to do now is invest in studios and 1st party games variety and they can get back in good graces with a lot of folks who just don't see the value in a company with so few exclusives.
Most gamers have short memories. The question really should be is MS doing enough right now? Not yet. They are moved nine n the right direction though. Just need more first party games.
I have gotten every Xbox besides the Xbox one because 3 times shame on me. I just want to play unique games, and back in the day, MS had some cool games, Halo, Fable, Gears (lol). Next generation, Gears Halo, Forza, Fable. Next generation, new developer working on Gears, new developer working on Halo, a failed Fable, and Forza that is still going strong. I told myself Pat, just stop buying the Xbox and see if they come out with new IPs. Here I am looking at what Xbox is bringing to the table. There are a few games like Sea of Thieves but that isn't a system seller to me at all. It is a simple concept, Xbox 360 was huge because of their exclusives deals Mass Effect, BioShock, Splinter Cell, Naruto: Rise of a Ninja, and etc. People want to play games, MS stopped towards the middle of their cycle while PS pumped out TONS of games during this time and towards the end of it's life. It is such a simple concept.
Wow. . . . Truths
Let me be the first to inform you....you missed out on quite a few great games if Halo gears and forza were the only titles you played. (It's funny how those 3 are the most popular and sell best mean that's all they have to ppl)
For all the ripping that MS and Xbox gets for lack of exclusives I really don't see anything more compelling over on PS to get excited about. I've also owned every PS system up until this gen. Jeez, both the PS3 and the PS4 had nothing except for multiplats, remakes and indies for almost 2 years after launch but Sony gets away with everything.
@wobbly "Jeez, both the PS3 and the PS4 had nothing except for multiplats, remakes and indies for almost 2 years after launch but Sony gets away with everything." Well that is a damned if they do,damned if they don't situation. Unlike MS , sony supports their console until the very end with exclusives. That resulted in a slow start of ps4 exclusives. they could have done the same like ms did and stop development of proper ps3 exclusives in favor for ps4. But then they would have caught flak by the many ps3 owners who didn't want to buy the new system yet. But the important thing is once the floodgates are open playstation users get new exclusives on the regular. On the other side ms had it's very good launch lineup but when that strawfire burnt out fast, xbox 1 was an exclusives wasteland with only a few rare green spots in the form of AAA releases with huge distances between. And with the awful direction 3rd party games are going with their full price free2play mechanics, game as a service games, the situation is and will become even more severe because they aren't good enough anymore to make up for the lack of exclusives.
@chiefJohn117 That is great but I am talking about myself, I know all of their titles since I have had their systems (besides the Xbox one). I know they had some good JRPGs on the 360 but I am not big on them in general.
Funny, seems to me that MS are doing a lot more than Sony especially when it comes consumer friendly stuff like Game Pass.
MS is trying to be competitive. That is good, but they still trail Sony in terms of first party games and overall library.
Razzer Yeah they trail in first party but who aside from fanboys really cares? Most people buy multiplats and numbers prove it.
Sony has PSNow which is essentially the same thing. You have to stream the games, but it's actually cheaper if you subscribe for a year, and you get a larger selection of games. I find Game Pass' implementation better, because of the things that work against streaming, but PSNow actually does work fine if you have a decent internet connection. Overall, I don't really see anything that MS is doing that Sony isn't. Maybe BC, which is about the only one up that I really see that MS has over Sony right now, and I feel that's limited in demand. To me, Sony's software support is their biggest advantage over MS. Who cares if multiplats sell more, Sony has released quite a few GOTY contenders this gen. Quite a few high profile AAA games, as well as lots of great games with smaller scopes. If you really think numbers are all that matters, then obviously Sony is doing a lot more to satisfy the customer, as they are easily selling more than MS is.
" Yeah they trail in first party but who aside from fanboys really cares? Most people buy multiplats and numbers prove it." Uhhh.... The 74 million people that own PS4s?! As for fanboys caring for multiplats you mean the Xbox One X and S which is mostly multiplats?! The system that is failing hard. The Switch is full of ports and also has compelling exclusives and is going to fly past the Xbox as well.
Aside from fanboys? lol...oh please. Gamers care. Are you going to tell me that you don't care about Forza, Halo, Gears, etc.? Do you buy consoles based on what "most people buy"? So next time MS announces a major first party exclusive, am I going to see you reply with "meh....no one cares about exclusives. numbers prove it". lol....nope.
Razzer I buy games based on what I like to play and that happens to be what the majority also plays that's how it works like it or not. Oh, and numbers do prove it look at sales only 2-3% of PS4 owners actually buy exclusives that's a fact whether you accept it or not. Believing that exclusives sell consoles is just as stupid as believing that backward compatibility sells consoles.
Games sell consoles. No idea where you got that 2% number but it isn't based on known facts unless you have data from legit sources that show total number of game sales across the board.
Razzer Look at the total sales of any exclusive and then compare with the supposed 70 million PS4 owners. That's where I get my numbers from. Yeah games sell consoles just not exclusives.
Oh so you are just repeating that bullshit that has been rehashed time and time again? Yeah....that bullshit I read all the time that suggests a game selling over a million copies isn't very much. Such stupid nonsense. It is just a bullshit Xbox fanboy line. Just a faulty premise from the start as you are not comparing sales of a game against total game sales (which we don't know) but using some bullshit logic that suggests every single console sold is owned by someone actively buying games.
Razzer Facts are facts you don't have to like them. lol
Love facts. You just don't have any that come to a valid conclusion
If you cannot have good sales from your first party games, then thrown them on a monthly subscription program in order to at least try to get some some money from the subscription. Microsoft cannot compete on Playstation and Nintendo first party level sales, so they need to try something else. In this case is called Xbox game pass.
No bro. They done it of the goodness of their hearts. . . . . . . . . Before clits get tingled. . None of them do it out of the goodness of their hearts but it seems some people think ms weren't backed into a corner to the point they've been forced to use more gamer friendly angles. Remember what they tried. . Some here still defended it but they fixed up. They listened but their biggest issue all the way from last gen was their inability to nurture from within, make better deals, be more consistent with quantity, quality and variety of exclusives and to stop relying on multiplats. . . These issues are still prevalent yet gamer friendly acts are somehow papering over the cracks for a large fraternity of Xbox fans. 'Gamer friendly' to me means more new experiences. . To others it's bc. . To some it's vr. . Pick your poison but if you think what Sony are doing to ms is some kind of fluke or that they are gamer unfriendly then you really are ignorant.
Sony had nothing for big exclusives on both the PS3 and PS4 for almost 2 years and yet both systems have done well with the PS4 obviously doing the best. The exclusive argument is just useless rhetoric used by fanboys and numbers prove it.
"But Can We Forgive These Microsoft Mistakes?" <- Found the person with a stick up their bum and a holier than though, I like to play sides, everyone should listen to me, I speak for everybody, narcissistic complex, egomaniac. Im really sick of this divisiveness. If they do something you like support that, if they do something you dont, dont support it but it doesnt have to be all or nothing. You can like MS and be upset that they cancelled Scalebound. Just because you think some of things are mistakes doesnt mean everyone does. I would rather have Scalebound cancelled then released and its worse than QB.
if you can't get over it, your life priorities need a new perspective. should we forgive sony for tanking pstv and psHome? what about honda and its deadly airbag scandal? are they out of business yet? and toyota with their gas pedal problem? anyone still buying toyota? oh and samsungs exploding batteries? is that forgivable? these articles are f'ing stupid.
You're pandering to an entirely different demographic here, and unfortunately we respond better to inflammatory hyperbole more than most. Even the notion that you need to "forgive" a company sounds crazy to me.
I kind of agree. I think every company makes mistakes, and they should be taken to task. But realistically, outside of MS initial DRM policies, I don't really feel they need to be forgiven for anything. Call them out for their BS sure, but don't let it run your life. If MS ends up making a product which is good and desirable, then buy it so long as you have faith they won't go back and make the same mistakes again. If they don't make a good product, or one doesn't have faith they won't make the same mistakes again, then don't support them.
So much drama. MS doesn't need you to forget anything. Just play WTF YOU WANNA play!!!
Oh it's N4G: the article
The xbox is at its worst it has ever been. Their mistakes will most likely prove very costly with how bad a position xbox is in. I don't think they can come back from this.
By what metric? The Xbox is no worse off now than launch of the OG xbox. It has an install base, a healthy monthly subscribership (Not sure what the right word is but I like that made up one), and studios in process of making games. Xbox is definitely not at its peak but worse than its ever been? I dont even think its worse than its RROD issues with the X360. "Worse than its ever been." smdh ...some people.
I'm sure most people around here still think Xbox is at 30 mil..
I don't think the RROD issues affected their sales or had people turning away from the system. At least not in significant numbers. As far as being at their peak....Id say MS is at their lowest point in Xbox history. At least in terms of MS provided software support. If they're working on it great, but until they have something to show, they're going to keep getting criticized. They don't need to be forgiven for their current low output, or most of the other things they've done, MS just needs to start providing good software support again. "Forgiving" them does't mean that we should just give MS the benefit of the doubt though. They've made their bed, and I've been saying for a while now, they need to show, not tell. MS has spent too much time taking and making promises to just accept whatever they say as true, and it's really hard to be excited for anything they may be working on when their current output is SoT and CD3, along with the yearly Forza and possibly a new Halo. This is doubly true when they talk up GaaS, and downplay SP games rather publicly.
Lol at the eternal optimist. Reckon the higher ups at ms see it as a disaster considering their original sales forecast for xbone. Also going from 80+ million 360 owners to 30 mill this gen says otherwise tbh. Worst indeed.
Exactly, most gamers would rather go playstation, nintendo, or pc when looking at the latest sales figures. Hardly noone is buying an xb1 slim and even less people are buying the xb1x. They have a real problem on their hands. Im starting to think they will go completely digital and adopt the gaas infrastructure and possibly exit the hardware business if things get any worse... which i dont see how. 2016 was not a great year for ms and 2017 was much worse. If things dont drastically change in 2018 its looking pretty "doom and gloom".
40 million= no one? Lol algebra getting harder and harder.