Microsoft executives reveal that the Xbox One X beat the PS4 Pro in the American Holiday season, and pledge to continue to innovate in the console field.
That spin. "Best selling '''''' ''premium''' ;'''''' ' console
@late-it's a spin because they might as well just say it's the "best selling console that is called Xbox One X" 😂😂😂 28514;😂
Actually, this time it doesn't sound like a spin. It is how you would describe the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X.
Ik right!!!! 😂😂😂 It's like micro saying, xbone was the best selling console for all of yesterday !!!! 🤣🤣🤣
so now its spin. LOL
Mystogan, it is a spin because no one ever compares the sales of specific iterations of a console generation. Also there is no definition for "premium console". Maybe one could argue the Switch is premium due to the hybrid factor or because after you buy all your extra crap it costs as much as the Pro.
MS spin doctors working overtime again. lol. i'm sure their next news will be - Xbox X software update was downloaded by 100% of the premium console owners. @oneshot, at least Sony put a disclaimer... with MS, we won't even know what is the real deal until few hours later or until twitterati starts poking questions only to find out that the game is coming out on every available platform.
The strange thing is supposedly sales dont matter to them or their fanbase.
"How's it a spin? Its a premium device and its never meant to compete with the base models....grow a brain" When you have to strain through the facts. bend them sideways and choose a very narrow slice to paint a bright picture it is a spin. "Selectively presenting facts and quotes that support one's position ("cherry picking")" That is a spin and that is what they have done. As I meant to post here, they are only releasing this to get in front of the NPD numbers for January with the best news they can manage. It isn't going to look good for the 3rd place console.
dragon forget the rest i thought ms said they weren't gonna talk about sales? and the reason this matters the way MS is they will track sales for X separately and down the road will compare it to ps4 pro and say we outsold it. No matter which way they can spin or try to spin behind more than 35 million is behind more than 35 million they can spin it like they did with the word exclusive during their E3 2017 conference
It sold more than the Pro in the US, but in general got its arse kicked in total sales worldwide. Microsoft must think people are dumb.
I'm surprised that's the case. Sony was pushing the ps4 pro hard this holiday season. There were discounts left and right on it while the x was never on sale. There were also great trade in promotions to get a ps4 pro at eb games. Guess that's what happens when u give people a proper mid gen upgrade and not a half ass one.
"They're comparing the X and the Pro so no its not any amount of spin " They are splicing it out of platform sales to find something favorable that otherwise isn't exactly rosy. No amount of pretending otherwise alters what defines spin. Perhaps you need to spend some more time reading and focusing on simple comprehension but what they did is called spin.
Sony has said how the Pro is doing in relation to the base model. Why can't MS do the same with the X?
How is that spin. So something like switch becomes the highest selling hybrid console would be spin you to you? Lol n4g
Lol “premium” + “in U.S.” +“holidays” they had to run that spin through 3 green filters. But honestly what did they expect? XbonX just released and xbox didnt even win a single month in any territory.
I know a girl scout that came in last in selling cookie. But she sold the must thin cookies so should she win a car for that?
For those saying I'm a fanboy for calling out microsoft on this one, The title can be misleading to casuals. Pure PR work here in the title. Most people would think it's the best selling console in the market instead of the ps4/switch. Even the XBOX ONE S for that matter. It's just shady to me, the way he said it.
Xbox had the most people logged in on their service at 12:01am yesterday. Yay us That's basically what i read,.
I guess sales matter again?
@chiefJohn1174h ago "So something like switch becomes the highest selling hybrid console would be spin you to you? Lol n4g " That's why no one says that... because it would be stupid much like saying "best selling premium console". Nintendo compares their system to PS4 and Xbox like any normal company would do. And part of the thing is that when Microsoft says it comes off as desperate, especially given how when they don't have a good month they say dumb stuff like "sales don't matter". But of course as soon as they have a good month out comes Aaron Greeberg and the marketing team to say something dumb like "best selling premium console" even though no one compares them like that.
"Best selling Premium concole" LOL I don't recall Sony ever called the Pro as a "premium" console. I might be mistaken but MS is saying that they sold the most of the console only they labeled as such. This is hilarious! LOL Imagine if Apple is saying they are the best selling phone with iOS. Of course you are, you moron, when you're the only one making it!
Positive picture painted for Microsoft, who else is surprised the comments section is mostly marked for trolling by Sony fanboys? Come on guys, let's just play some games!
"XBOX One X was the best-selling premium console globally with the fewest firmware updates." You heard it here first.
Lol this thread is great
The spin is that this was the “launch” of exactly one product. In its home turf. Vs a competitor that’s not at all in its launch period. All in all Xbox is in last place and it’s not close.
I have to admit, it is a funny way to say your product was the second to last place of all currently generation products. 1. Switch 2. PS4 3. Xbox One S 4. Xbox One X 5. PS4 Pro I get what they're doing, but I also get why people are calling them out for prioritizing the less than 1% of sales of a different model of their console versus overall sales in order to show a gain over the competition. It's a win, but that's a hard worker for them to have to sell compared to the competition. Marketing and advertising, gotta accept it for what it is.
I believe #1 seller was PS4 or was that worldwide #s?
@S2Killinit After some news articles jumped the gun we all thought it was PS4 for December. But it ended up being SWITCH.
Even as a die hard fan, remains to be seen...
hahaha Premium console lol whats next "top selling Green Logo console"?
Are you saying the PS4 pro is not a premium console?
@itsmebyan good question
@itsmebryan I think solideagle is saying sarcastically that they are going to say they are the top selling green one because Sony's logo is not green, and Neither is Nintendo's So they can techinically say they are the top selling green logo having console.
@itsmebryan No. PS4 Pro is not a PREMIUM console. It launched at the same price standard PS4 did. Upgraded PS4 yes. PREMIUM? No.
The lengths to which MS will go to avoid giving sales numbers is amusing tbh.
Did any of the big 3 releases sale numbers in Oct - December? 🤔 It was known that on NPD in Dec...the ranking was 🥇Switch 🥈Xbox 🥉PS4 Nintendo didn't release their numbers while finishing first place and Sony didn't release their sales numbers for Dec NPD while finishing third place. So why are you attacking only one when NONE of them had said anything about their respective NPD sales? AT LEAST MS gave us some answer for 4K TV owners that want some answer of which 4K console sold better during the Holidays. Even with a couple of $50 temp price cut on the PS4 Pro during Nov & Dec, the $150 more expensive 4K console took home the 🏆 in the battle of the two current most powerful consoles. The people have spoken, the X is the console of choice for 4K TV owners. 👍🏼
Read article before commenting and embarrassing yourself maybe next time. Article is concerning the latest financial quarter, for which Nintendo porvided updated sales numbers, and perusual Sony will do.
Yep, and for whole 2017: 1. ps4 2. switch 3. xbox one This is Xbox strongest market?
And for the whole holiday season 2017 in US : 1.PS4 2.Xbone 3.Switch For the whole 2017 in US : 1. PS4 2. Switch 3. Poor Xbone
The holidays isn't just December.
Now you just embarrass yourself than everyone else.
Wow Microsoft's brand new console which debuted during this holiday season, meaning there is going to be a surge of sales, sold well compared to a year old console in one specific country??? They sure showed Sony who is king.
The X released a month before that and the PRO released one year prior. Who do you think is gonna win? All shafted hardcore One owners finally got something worthy this gen and games wasn't one of the, albeit Forza.
Once again you prove to everyone that you're just a blind fanboy. Defend M$ to the end but they wont give you shit, so go be a gamer and enjoy gaming instead of the verbal diarrhea that is coming out of your mouth on a daily basis.
I like how you ignored November where Xbox was third as well as the fact that last three months still put Xbox in third as well as the fact that Nintendo and Sony released annual figures with percentage gains from previous Holiday season compared to last year for Sony. But you made sure to post that December second place and call one statement of comparison sans numbers between two niche models as a way of proving their desire to inform their customers. Microsoft made a decision, that decision was to hide figures rather than remain open about them like the others. That's just something they're going to have to live with until they decide to change their mind.
It's also new hardware released in the holiday quarter. The people have spoken: they like shiny new stuff. Switch also came out on top. What does that mean? It means that (a) 4K is still not a deciding factor, (b) PlayStation has the least room for growth since most people have PlayStation, and (c) people are attracted to new hardware. When Xbox One X gains consistency FOLLOWING the holiday season (who knows? Maybe Microsoft won January), you have a case. Until then, learn to interpret data and draw meaningful conclusions.
Makes me laugh and roll my eyes everytime
So there x beat the pro but lost in general.
Title is a weee click bait
No. It's not. It quotes word by word what Satya Nadella said.
It’s a quote? Well I didn’t know that considering there are no Quotation marks!
That doesn't mean that the title (or what comes out the mouths of a MS executive) can't be classed as click bait. If he knows it beat the PS4 Pro and it helps him feel better about the job he's doing then all is good. But to say it to the press as if it's any indication of anything else then you have to question what his motives are for it. A very hollow victory for what they've achieved if you ask me.
@Moon, that's not how clickbait works. Clickbait is to sell the news in a manner just to get people to click, this isn't selling the news, just presenting it. You're confusing marketing and clickbait.
It's not, it's just Microsoft PR. In this day and age, for any marketing team, regular updates can come off as clickbait as you try to sell the best outlook.
It's not clickbait at all. Regardless of the degrees of spinning that Microsoft uses, the statement itself is still a fact. They gotta save face somehow. But it's not clickbait. It's directly from the topic of the article.
it doesnt matter how much spin Microsoft does. 2017 was their worst year when comparing with Sony and Nintendo. Theirs rivals broke records in sales on consoles and software.... and they keep hiding the numbers. Next, we sold more gamepad then Sony.
The only ones that care about sales numbers are fanboys looking for forum fodder. Investors want to know how much money they made. Microsoft is making money in gaming and had positive growth from last year. Your complaints/opinions are irrelevant.
And where do you see profit numbers?
Wow the hypocrisy, Microsoft is bragging about sales and you’re also here yet you’re here talking down people for doing EXACTLY the same thing you and Microsoft are doing. Just wow...
Again, do you play profits or games? What good are profits if new and exciting games aren't being made? Death, I respected you for some time, until you started typing some really asinine drivel.
We as the consumers care about sales numbers, why? Because sales numbers indicate the health status of the system that the consumers have invested in buying the console of their choice. Bigger sales numbers means that there will be more software support for the console, bigger sales numbers also indicate the future of the consoles. We may not have some financial investment in Sony, but since we bought their console and knowing that they are doing really well confirms that the future is bright for the PS4.
@Death " The only ones that care about sales numbers are fanboys looking for forum fodder. " So mr. High and Mighty does the irony not strike you hard? If you didn't care why are you posting anything in a forum no less? Fanboys? More irony.
The “news” is about Microsoft’s quarterly conference call to investors. This is what investors want to know, you don’t need to speculate anything. This isn’t being “high and mighty”, it’s reading comprehension. @trooper, I don’t play profit or sales, I play games. This isn’t an article about games though. It’s an article about Microsoft’s Investor call which is about their profits.
Ms made a very strong point to say they weren't going to discuss sales numbers anymore. Yet it seems whenever they have some victory, no matter how marginal or selective, they want to talk about them. This is particularly true when it's in comparison to the competition. While I agree that it's really only us hardware forum goers who care to discuss it, ms seems to have a real need to report these small victories that they have from time to time. If ms cares enough to try and continue to use these kinds of victories to try and appear they're relevant, then it must matter to them, and ultimately, these sales numbers translate to revenues and profits that their investors see, and it looks better go for the investors when the community isn't just laughing at me for how insecure they're acting, all whole they're trying to look like they're on top and proud of everything they're doing
I was surprised to see that they made 9 to 10 billion in gaming division or whatever it's called. All the fanboys here can argue endlessly but that is a significant figure and the bottom line shows strength in the business. Nothing to argue there
Guess the irony of your own comment is lost on you. Its called reading comprehension you said? Seems you could use some.
Gaming did not profit 9-10 billion the division did and it's more than gaming
Congratulations team Xbox.