Microsoft has today announced its plan to include Microsoft Studios games in its Xbox Game Pass subscription service on day one going forward. That's great, but what are the implications on the game industry?
None, it's more options for gamers. I have Xbox One X and I still buy digital, I dont own Xbox Game Pass. Overall, it's a win win for entire gaming industry.
As a Consumer this is great for now. As a publisher this is bad. Think of what netflix did to blockbuster/hollywood video. If this becomes the norm, IMHO - this will kill AAA single player games, especially ones less than 20hrs to beat. If a developer does decide to release a single player game, then they will have to deliver the game in “episodes” to recoup money (think like the last Hitman or like the walking dead). To me that is going to suck, unless they are rotating titles out weekly.
"The publisher" is the one doing this. I'm sure a ton of thought (and math) went into this.
This is only for MS studio games. Which is like 4 game all of 2018 published by MS. This is not for 3rd party so the industry will be just fine. If you constantly play games all day and beat them, this is a good deal. I have a huge backlog and can only play 4 hours a week so paying $10 a month will cost me more in the long run.
It is just for MS games. Anyway, MS games will be like f2p. Remember... GaaS.
Why would you give a rats ass if the publisher decides to invest in this service or not? Get a life man.
Netflix has been great for both movie and television. It's been bad for the video store and cable. The content hasn't suffered by a change in its delivery. That's all this is. It sucks for Gamestop, sure. But that's 2018 for you, things change.
@steven83e You seem thoroughly convinced MS won’t heavily invest in more exclusive content. That’s the only way this kind of service works. It’s why Netflix is in a spending spree buying up programs and making its own original content.
It'll be great for short-lived single player games. It solves the problem the second hand/lending/not-paying market.
This actually helps single player games. For those who don't want to pay the full 60 for one time playthrough, they can just pay the sub, get it for a week and beat it. Just like the old video rental stores of the pass.
??? Ea is literally already doing something exactly like this. Would likely make it a standard business model if they could get Sony on board. Who also have the same thing.
I disagree not bad for the publisher.. they making good money!! Now i believe microsoft doing this cause no one was getting the game pass.. netflex, Hulu, hbo, Showtime internet cable, xbox live proving the low monthly subscription is more profitable... so if the total sales buys million copies of sea thieves is not better than adding million to an already total base.. i am guessing they would split the profit like tv and netflex do!
the simple answer is AAA single player games won't be part of the service unless they're first part which won't make any difference as Microsoft will basically be paying the developers
"as a publisher this is bad"? You do realise ms are the ones doing this WITH THEIR OWN I.P'S? If game pass wasn't already a success, they wouldn't be doing it. And if they thought this wouldn't make them tons of money, they wouldn't do it. Say what you want about Microsoft (and many on n4g do, whether true or not), but they know what makes them money and what doesn't. This is a win win all round. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE, no matter how hard people try to find 1.
EA does older games like Playstation now. (No sense is spending millions on development to let people play the game for 30 days for 10$) However what if other publishers follow this practice? (which is the point i am getting at..) I.e Microsoft game pass.... Ea game pass... Ubisoft game pass... 2k game pass.... + on top of paying for PSN/XBL I don’t like stating how others should use thier money, but if the new norm is having to subscribe to services to get games, we are all going to suffer. Lootboxes/Horse armor will look innocent at the end of the day.
YEah ILOSTMYMIND GAAS=Gaming as a service=SERVICES=RENT TO NEVER OWN! Remember Back when Microsoft introduced LIVE? They then later told us there will be GOLD and SILVER TIERS. Who wants to bet there will be a TIER involved in ths?
Okay why did they say NOW. "that's a pretty compelling reason to go and subscribe to Xbox Game Pass right now, isn't it?" Even if you want the top games NEXT HALO,,NEXT GEARS...NEXT FORZA. You dont need to start paying 10 dollars a month NOW. You can wait until the day before at least one of those three games releases.
I think this is better than EA's access pass. What about compared to PSnow which is admittedly different. Lets hear a vote which is better so far? EA Access MICROSOFT PASS (GAAS) PSNOW
Why does Sony get so much backlash for PSNow? I have it, but I cant play because my internet speeds are not up to par.
you just answered your own question
@bolimekurac No, he doesn't. His weak internet is not Sony's fault.
To be fair, this isnt streaming the games. You actually download digital copy. As someone with <20mb internet i wont be buying into these services.
You download the titles? That's fantastic, I wish Sony offered this. My internet connection gets about 8mbps and that is not enough to run streaming smoothly. Sometimes 8mbps kicks me off the Now service.. Should be no reason why Playstation Now owners cannot download the games and have them removed when their service runs up.
roadkillers I think the issue at this point in time, a lot of PS NOW games are from the PS3 era... Whether you'd be able to download them or not is not the question, because PS4 cannot emulate a PS3.... All those PS3 PS now games are running on PS3's server farms and streamed.. Personally, its not my cup of tea... At least when sony bought the streaming technology, they thankfully used it in other areas like Shareplay, Remote play. As for future PS4 games, that could be a different story.
Great for those of us with game pass subs, apparently the worst thing that can happen to the industry for those whose favorite company charges them to stream last generation games.
Gamepass is a subscription. You pay for that too. Gamepass has last gen games as well. It's the crux of the content. It always will be. The fear is that individual publishers will create their own paid subs. Now you have on for EA, Microsoft, online access and in Sony's case a streaming service. It's a legit concern so don't let you love a Xbox blind you from doing math as a consumer.
Have you actually done any math yourself? You'd need to use some massively skewed numbers to come up with a scenario where these subscription models are not good value.
I felt ea has better line up..sport line up than microsoft but this new games available day one killed EA service
Yes ion, and microsoft controles what game is included and microsoft can and will and is deleting games from the service as they wish...
Hey Tank - whats the point of making a AAA big budget and releasing it on a rental service thats 10$? Makes sense if the game is a MMO or like GTA online.
Some are saying that this will be a nightmare to publishers, but that's where they're wrong. MS games are the only ones which are receiving this option, not third party publishers. MS made their decision based on their internal numbers (Sales, Expenses, player base, etc.) for their internal games, nothing to be worried about.
"Some are saying that this will be a nightmare to publishers, but that's where they're wrong. MS games are the only ones which are receiving this option, not third party publishers." I think this is where MS where going to drop the MT bomb on the customers. Get the game for this cheap,and buy the actual stuff that makes the game in the game. Isn't this where GaaS comes into play?
God Of War April 20th 2018 :)
Day one for me.
Uh....not like BC has made any difference. Is Game Pass going to turn the tables on Sony? I doubt it.
Sony's irrelevant here, so idkw you even brought that up. this is fan service. The console warzone is that way 👉
lol.....why don't you direct that message to Team_Litt (the guy who actually brought it up) then? Seems you are selective in giving directions to the "console warzone". And frankly, you have no business getting on your soapbox, pal.
You can't jump to conclusions like that. And ultimately I don't care what the mainstream does. I often can't make sense of why the mainstream does and likes the things it does. I just know that It doesn't change what I like and want. Backwards compatibility is a very important feature to me, no matter how many times people try to downplay it. That's a big part of why I do most of my gaming on PC. Likewise, Game Pass is a good option to have and I'm not going to start thinking it's a bad thing just because it may not make Xbox One sales surpass PS4 sales. I don't own an Xbox and I really don't care which console outsells the other. I just stand up for games and features I like regardless of what platform they are found on.
I was responding to Team_Litt's post about BC and Sony. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with this or BC. I'm thrilled with the Game Pass news as a Windows 10 gamer.
Damn, that's a smoking deal, day one releases too.
They announced sea of thieves, crackdown and stay of decay 2 ... wait till e3 and they announce gears of war 5 or 4 and halo 6 thats go be crazy and new titles!! Dont get it twisted everybody saying its microsoft titles only!!! When microsoft make deals for 3rd party games to hit for 1st day releases its go change the industry!! Example red dead redemption 2 ill give you 60million to hit the game pass day 1 and offer first dlc to xbox first for 30days and a mp mode!!! This is game changing addition to your percentage based on toltal plays!!!
I think it's been said somewhere rockstar are partnering with PlayStation for Red dead 2. I think.
Yeah then they'll announce free hookers for everyone too. Game changing!!! ™
I have always been a huge fan and big supporter of Gamefly and renting games. So I was hoping that Game Pass would step up, I'm hoping it's successful and that other game companies follow through and add their games to this service also.
If it works, the others big two will fallow and that's the implication. For me is a really good initiative and in a good time because it seems that MS will make more Exclusives. E3 can be interesting this year.
It means stupid ideas like this makes me turn back to my PC for trusty games.
You realize that you can run Play Anywhere games on PC also right? that's actually a big win for me! Why would an optional service bother you? and this is the only topic here, no need to make a list of PC pro/cons over consoles.
Game pass games aren't playable on the pc though.
@Wikkid666 Some are. If the game is a Play Anywhere game and on Game Pass then you can play it on PC using the subscription. https://www.windowscentral.... I just joined the Game Pass trial last week to test this and it works fine. Playing Gears 4 and Recore without problem on Windows 10 via Game Pass. Screen capture of Gears 4 from my PC: https://imgur.com/a/rp0DQ
The only worry I have along with other companies following through, is what happens to the potential of Sea of Thieves? If released on Game Pass, Subscriber's pay the $10/month to play Sea of Thieves versus going to the store and buying does the developer get the most out of their game? If they don't will sequel be made? Or is this where the loot boxes come into play? All I'm saying is is it fair to the developers of Sea of Thieves? Shouldn't Microsoft release this on Game pass once it's reached it's benchmark or a million units sold first? It just seems to make the overall game and games to follow devalued. I see PlayStation now and I see games that have ran their course, yet still available if gamers want to check them out.
For now it's first party only, so MS is taking whatever sales impact it'll do, be it positive or negative. Sony are usually taking big risk in new IPs, let see what MS can do when taking some risks also!
Right. Something is missing here because if you can cancel out of the program after beating a game how are they making money? In order for this to work they need millions of subscribers who never cancel and they need to keep development costs of those games down.
How does Netflix make money after you finish watching a movie? The service will need content of course to keep subscribers just like any other service. I bet there will be multiple pricing tiers and with Microsoft pushing games as a service they are hoping you don't beat the game and leave. Now you see why there is less interest in single player only titles and not just from Microsoft.
@Brian I agree with most of what you said, but "single player games" are a lot like your Netflix movie in terms of the way people consume content. There is no reason they can't be part of a subscription service. In fact episodic single player games would be fairly ideal.
It is how most of these services operate. The goal is to get more people to sign up and stay then would have bought the multiple games in the first place. For instance I only plan on buying 1 MS game this year. Without the service MS makes $60 max. If I sign up today they will make $100 even if I play other games that I would have never bought to begin with MS still made $40 more this year than originally planned and the potential to keep me paying into the future whether I play the games or not. Yes you can sign up play and leave, MS will lose money off those people but you would be surprised how few will do that and how many more will sign up and stay.
This helps SoT imo. Player base will determine the life of SoT. This will add more players
I get where you coming from!! You have to realize that if i am microsoft sea of thieves workers are already paid ..i doubt they get more money from sales that goes to microsoft..yea bonus but thats it..everything eles goes to microsoft... Also if games not good the gamepass wont work!!! Thats why when state decay 2 and halo 6 , gears releases its go be huge? Only questions i have is will these games turn to microtransaction spell check or separate dlc!! I am praying microsoft make us buy the dlc separate to go away from that gaas system
I am interested if new games will be released and will come straight into this game pass..wont many gamers just not buy games (like they used to do, like 40-50 pounds) and make profit for devs and publishers? I mean it sounds nice for gamers' wallets..plus they can just finish a game lets say in 10 hours and never pick it up again and just play others..wont it be a profit loss for the industry?
This is for just for MS games... so it's about selling their service.
Thank you for clearing up info for me..appreciated
What are the upcoming games? :p
So, if I get this, I will have access to the WHOLE single player and multiplayer aspect of the games available? It would be kind of silly if I didn't.
Why wouldn't you? It's not like you no longer pay for live right?
Sounds like it, what is yet to be determined and needs to be said is additional content like DLC or MTs. I can imagine how it will work but I want them to say exactly what the plan is.
I see the media is scrambling to look for a downside to this. Trouble is, there isn't a downside, the consumer wins, and if game pass wasn't viable and already making them money, Xbox wouldn't do this, so they win too. It's a great move for everyone involved.
I think the only thing that are in question here is Microsoft's track record on releasing games and having any games at all. I doubt Microsoft would released a New Halo, New Forza and New Gears game straight to game pass right away. You will probably see games like Cuphead and other small titles and Indie games directly to game pass. Also, you will probably be lucky to see new contents every 6 months or so.
Nope, everything hits day one. Its gonna be big for xbox.
They have literally said the next gears, halo, and forza games will go straight onto the game pass. It was in the original announcement. "This plan to bring new games timed with their global release into Xbox Game Pass not only includes announced titles like Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, and Crackdown 3 but future unannounced games from Microsoft Studios including new iterations of our biggest Xbox One exclusive franchises such as Halo, Forza and Gears of War, on the same day they launch."
Another hater. Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3 and Sate of Decay 2 say hello! Plus Phil said that new IP's are coming so keep on hating. smh