Super Mario Odyssey is a fun time, but it's not a meaningful entry to the overall Super Mario series.
There’s always gotta be “that” article
Mario Odyssey is a very complete and wonderful game. It never feels like it wastes your time exploring the worlds and there is always something to discover. This article must be referring to Zelda.
"There is always something to discover." More moons. That's it.
"must be referring to zelda" Botw has more things to discover than a bunch of collectables that are almost all the same.
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I guess you didn't do the jump rope and volleyball challenges! lol
Yep. There's obviously a need for it.
The problem with gamers and "successful" games today is they let brand association automatically put the product in a pedestal. Back in the SNES N64 Gamecube days Mario and Zelda deserved the accolades because they were cutting edge games pushing the limits of game design, gameplay, graphics in all epicness. Now Mario and Zelda games are a mere shadow of their former selves. They arw cheap cash grabs with recycled un original and stolen ideas. They pale in comparisson to other games of today. They only sell via brand association and nostalgia.
@supersonic91 Really? I never know if you're a troll or if you actually believe what you are saying.
^ really? These are some of the most creative and inspired games in the whole industry, both today and back "in the good times". Take out these hate and nostalgia goggles and you'll be able to enjoy many more games.
@SuperSonic91, are you sure you aren't talking about the sonic games, because then I would have to agree.
@ SuperSonic91 - Which games do you think are good and better than those you mentioned? If we got a sense of your gaming taste maybe your argument would go over better with people. So yea, list us some games you really love so we can see where you can coming from on your side of the argument.
Exactly. It's literally packed with more substance than entire series of games...just in this one game. I'm so far from getting all the moons. I need to get going on that again.
We would have see what Matpat thinks! I am sure he has more theories about Odyssey in his backpack
The first 3 paragraphs emphasize that the game is ultimately fun. When did that stop being enough? I played the game for over 50 hours and had a blast, but now I'm done. I'm not interested in completing it 100% because not EVERYTHING Odyssey does is brilliant in my opinion -- but that does not invalidate the 50+ hours of fun I had with the game. And just to touch on the point that Galaxy explores each of it's ideas to the fullest -- it kinda had to. Galaxy is a game full of gimmicks, it's good, but Mario's move-set is the most stripped back it's been in any 3D title, including 3D World. Because of that, the game feels less like a platformer and more like a collection of cool ideas that Nintendo had that were't quite good enough to justify an entire game. Odyssey can't do this because Mario's movement is so insane that most possessions can be skipped entirely -- you could tone down the movement, but then the game would be less interesting for more skillful players. As far as I'm concerned, Odyssey is all about exploiting the move-set and trying to beat levels as fast and efficiently as possible. I don't believe the intention was for all players to collect every moon, but to populate each level with enough that players could choose their own paths through each level -- cherry picking the moons that involve activities they like and ignoring activities that they don't. And no, there are no objectively good and bad activities, everyone is different. To summarize, Odyssey is a complete mess in terms of design, but it can be bloody good fun.
Author here. In reference to, "The first 3 paragraphs emphasize that the game is ultimately fun. When did that stop being enough?" Enough for what? To enjoy something? Then yeah, it's enough. Nothing is stopping you from having fun with anything. The article talks about how I see the series evolving in terms of design and what I think constitutes as good direction. In the article, I mention why I'm critiquing that.
@maxwelln You are a shitty writer, I'm critiquing that.
Haters gonna hate, plus it's no surprise that nobody has bothered to 'approve' this mess of a contradictory opinion piece after 19 hours since submission.
That kinda contradicts the fans that claim any negative Nintendo article gets approved in seconds.
Well just maybe people saw how sh**** this article is and didn’t want to approve it.
funny, the headline is just the reason i stopped supporting nintendo years ago. seems like nothing has changed. rather seems like things even got worse.
Mario 64 is a stolen game from Argonaut that the media wants to hide. But yeah the childiah nostalgia is very strong working on Nintendo's favor.
Was waiting for someone to say "nostalgia"! If that's the best and most common criticism that fanboys can level against Nintendo's top games then they're definitely doing something right!
Yeah, me loving the game was simply due to convincing myself to play a crappy game nonstop, right?
Sonic Adventure was just a rushed launch title that ripped off Super Mario 64. Pretty every sonic game since then SUCKED.
Mario 64 wasn't stolen. Croc was a proposed Yoshi game and turned down. Croc was ultimately a mediocre game.
I wonder why you, Supersonic, and Bluefox still hang around in Nintendo articles if you guy hate it so much. You guys say the same things again and again about Nintendo. Do you ever get tired?
We do not hate anything. Its the misleading information that Nintendo fanatics spread. We have the responsibility to refute and correct as a service to all gamers. There is a reason why Nintendo is not at the top anymore because they monopolistic agendas have been exposed.
monopolistic..? Exposed? Wtf are you on about? What are they monopolizing exactly? Jesus, man. Get a grip.
The game lost me at respawning coins.
you mean, at respawning everything (coins and enemies)
How would u be able to buy things in the store if the coins didn't respawn?
It's definitely a solid game, but still a step back from M64 and Sunshine IMO.
What were so great about those two games that made them better than Odyssey?
I'm a huge Ninty critic but even I think this statement is ludicrous
There's always one, odyssey is fantastic enough said.
It's what a video game should be...fun!
That I agree with. It's why i kept playing it.
I'm no fan of Mario games but I've played some of the games & they're fine games.Though Nintendo puts out a Mario game every gen I see no problem with that seeing that's what Nintendo is all about,that's what they do.You're always going to find someone that just doesn't find some of the Mario games fun or interesting or possibly just getting bored with them & they have their right to their opinion though the fanatics just can't except someone that opposes what they like or a fan of.
They're both (Mario and Zelda) a little overrated.
I have very few complaints about Odyssey and I hope there's an Odyssey 2. I wish the Snow Kingdom was bigger and I wanted there to be a home world. Other than that thought the game was pretty damn awesome.
I'm sorry, the 2D section in New Donk city, while Pauline is singing is one of the finest moments that's ever happened in a video game. The fact that Nintendo can slap together so many ideas and have it work so seamlessly when it shouldn't work at all is a testament to brilliant game design, not a detriment.
Well to be fair substance isn't something Nintendo has cared about for a long time now. People forgive the redundancy of their games claiming that fun gameplay is all that matters. To each their own I guess but this is why I haven't supported Nintendo since 64.
I refuse to click the link. I played the game and that is completely false. It has a lot of style and a lot of substance providing skill, exploration and the novelty of solving problems in a different way. Some individuals with no skill writing comes up with the most far fetched ideas to get attention. Again, this type of irrelevant article should be banned off N4G.
When factually wrong hides behind the word "opinion" as if it justifies being so blatantly wrong. In my opinion 2+2=purple. Can't dispute me because it's my opinion man!
As someone who hasn't liked a single mainline Mario 3D platformer since 64, this article is so stupid. Odyssey isn't nearly as great as people are making it out to be, but it definitely has substance.
Oh boy. Now we are on thf e bash Nario train. It is an incredible game and one of my top 3 of all time. Troll bait article.
Author here. I don't hate Nintendo.
My bad, but still. You miss the point of Mario games.
The article is about how Odyssey stacks up against previous Mario games that moved the series forward in terms of design and direction. I'm not sure how I'm missing "the point" of Mario games given the nature of that i.e. using previous accomplishments in the series (that I obviously like) when talking about Odyssey.
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