Xbox One Lost to Switch But Beat PS4 In December NPD: Is This Something Microsoft Can Capitalize On?

Signs of life for Xbox, but it has its work cut out for it if it wants to stay in the conversation.

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Thatguy-31097d ago

no LMAO they're so desperate for a win that I wouldn't be surprise if they take it as one simply for coming on top of the ps4. If you ain't first you're last........

UCForce97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

That’s also why I think MS wanted to beat Sony by humiliation on Sony, but it didn’t work out for MS. Because PS4 won globally in 2017.

dirkdady97d ago

They were radio silent for nearly 12 months on sales and even said they won't focus on sales and look active user counts but the first thing they did when they sold a hair more than PlayStation Greenberg is the first one to spill his stuff on twitter. Pathetic.

MakoD97d ago (Edited 97d ago )


The problem is mostly article like this one in which the author is just creating clickbait type titles, I didn't even click on the article. N4G is doing the same thing which is making me wonder if I should visit this site further.

But yes, you are correct, MS was only interested in MAU, but when it comes to December the pull out the numbers of sales. The problem is, Microsoft really doesn't want people to buy the console to start with and these stupid fanboys still don't understand that simple point. They want these Xbox hardware guys to plug up a Windows 10 machine and buy games from the MS Store. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

My take is, good chance Microsoft releases their gaming streaming service (da cloud), if that doesn't add MAU and UWP/Microsoft Store continues to fail... hard to see this working out for people invested in the Xbox eco-system. Microsoft is going either sideways or down with MAU.

FYI I had an original Xbox at launch and an original Xbox 360 at launch, after I got tired of Nintendo... but the writing has been on the wall for 4-5 years (if not longer) what was going to happen to Xbox. Satya is the cloud man, not the hardware man.... at this point Microsoft is 90% a cloud enterprise company.

RpgSama97d ago

Not only globally, also in the USA.

bolimekurac97d ago

makod, you dont have a grip with reality

UCForce97d ago

@bolimekurac The reality is that MS want to ignore competition. MS think Gaas is the future, but tell me this, will Gaas be a perfect future ? It will never be.

Imalwaysright97d ago (Edited 97d ago )


Then why did MS just release the X1X which cost them millions in R&D, manufacturing, distribution, marketing and who knows what else? For what? To burn money? What you're saying only makes sense to the stupid people that agreed with one of the most pathetic comments I ever read here and that is saying something.

Sitdown97d ago

So the dialogue has been Microsoft has no games, but now they are going to move to streaming? To stream the games they supposedly don't have?

Then you say Microsoft never wanted you to but hardware.... So they sold hardware to eventually get you to go software instead of just going software out the gate and latching on to Windows? My goodness, what exactly have you smoked?

MakoD97d ago

Burning money is what the former Xbox Division was doing since it was stood up in 1999. You are confused because you don't understand technology nor how Microsoft operator or even how corporation strategize. The Xbox Division doesn't even exist anymore, but you knew that right? LOL When the Xbox One X was designed, Microsoft hadn't given up... the Xbox Division was eliminated last year and the personnel moved to the Windows Division. The Xbox Store and User (like yourself) were moved over to the Microsoft Store. Now Xbox is a service, you confusion lies in you unable to understand what that is.

MakoD97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

Exactly, Xbox is now a service, but you have these fanboys that don't understand even what that means. (I had some other comments for those guys but didn't hit reply to mine so they are at the bottom)

They still don't understand that Microsoft would rather they just downloaded games on their Windows 10 PC. They think all these sales numbers really mean something.

At this point though, Xbox/UWP are linked in my opinion and I doubt Microsoft keeps the Microsoft Store if they dump UWP. Since they have no mobile platform (not really), very hard to see how the Microsoft Store survives. My guess, they dump Hololens, dump Cortana (although that is a service) at some point... they dump UWP, which leads to probably dumping the Xbox as a service, however, that is not set in stone... if they do roll out a game streaming service, and that is successful (I doubt it will be but) than maybe the keep the an integrated Store going. IDK

At this point, brave souls investing in Microsoft's software ecosystem. imo Hololens (which to me is more enterprise and probably vaporware at this point) will get cancelled, that really means the Xbox One is really more or less the last consumer product, generally, although the Surface devices could be considered a mix of enterprise/consumer.

Imalwaysright97d ago (Edited 97d ago )


"You are confused because you don't understand technology nor how Microsoft operator or even how corporation strategize."

Ohhh so I'm confused and you're an expert huh? Please, do tell me about MS strategy and how having brand new hardware equates into that strategy but first, know that I don't need to understand any of those things to go out, buy a X1 or X1X, buy some game discs and play games without ever connecting the console to the internet like I have been able to do with since my 1st console, a Megadrive (we used cartridges in those days though) and we didn't call it a service, we called it a console.

"The Xbox Division doesn't even exist anymore, but you knew that right?"

No I never heard of that. Hell I never even heard of a Xbox division?! I heard of Microsoft Game Studios, a microsoft subsidiary but please tell me more about this xbox division LOL!

"When the Xbox One X was designed, Microsoft hadn't given up." Given up on exactly what?

"The Xbox Store and User (like yourself) were moved over to the Microsoft Store. Now Xbox is a service,"

I wasn't moved anywhere because I don't own a Xbox console but if that is true why can I buy a xbox console, put a disc in it and play games if Xbox is just a service? Are consoles called services these days? Are the PS4, Vita, 3DS and Switch just services as well?

RacerX97d ago

You have to admit, it's very funny.... All PS4 guys talking trash about Xbox losing NpD in December, only to find out Xbox actually beat PS4, and now its all explaining it away. It's a meaningless win for Xbox anyway.

UCForce97d ago

@RacerX But in the end, was it good enough for Xbox One brand when they only win NPD in December ? That’s something MS really need to answer that.

AmUnRa96d ago

UNForce the PS4 won not only worldwide, but also in the USA😉

IamTylerDurden196d ago

The problem for Microsoft is that they STILL lost in worldwide sales to PS4 in December.. by a lot. It's like a team celebrating the fact they outscored their opponent in the 3rd inning even though they lost 7-3 overall.

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WilliamSheridan97d ago

They are first between the two systems that matter. Nintendo has always been its own beast.

UCForce97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

Nope. They only won in December, but it wasn’t good enough. By the way, where is their hardware units ? Tell me, How many Xbox One sold ? By the way, Switch did a great job.

Aenea97d ago

Ahhh, the famous Xbox fan goalpost moving!

trooper_97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

There's only so many goalposts you can move.

outsider162496d ago

Last year iirc, xbox won what? 3-4 months(US). This year you guys won 1 month..wait....2nd place and still your're jumping your ass off? Well if it makes you feel any better....congrats?

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butchertroll97d ago

Only someone from MS, Greenberg in that case, can brag about 2nd place. LOL

Gunstar7597d ago

They won December. Acknowledge, get over it and move on

UCForce97d ago

But not good enough. Nintendo Switch did a great job and they reveal their hardware units which is show that Nintendo have confidence. But MS isn’t. So yeah, it wasn’t good enough for MS.

IamTylerDurden196d ago

PS4 won in worldwide sales for December, xbox did not.

rainslacker97d ago

I think Greenburg tried to capitalize on it yesterday. So, I guess MS can capitalize on it, but I don't think it'll actually do anything, because the only people that care about NPD wins are the hardcore, and that's just for discussion, not really for consideration on if they should buy a console or not.

Kavorklestein96d ago (Edited 96d ago )

You're right it is for the hardcore.
But the difference is, so many are forgetting what constitutes "hardcore"
to us and also to others.
Seems to me us folks who talk or read about all this on forums or chat, or even with these types of articles with comment sections, I personally think we are among those in the hardcore group. In fact, I'd say We're a significant part of this hardcore group that these analysts talk about.

So that means part of the SAME hardcore folks some claim won't care about a mid gen console refresh, or that we aren't much more likely to get a Ps4 pro or an Xb1x...yet we're here all the time doing this charade back and forth. I mean most topics definitely take a turn in the spotlight and most consumers are used to varying models and specs by now. Therfore, If it's all clearly enough reason for some people to sit here and shit talk all day, then it's surely enough to perhaps make a different person, maybe not even as hard core as this group...(who just shit talk all day) Ever think they might instead just buy a console? 🤔🤔🤔
So with all that in mind, wouldn't it be better to spend our energy on positive ways to talk about gaming? Like "Oh man, this part in Mario was so cool" or "This part in Horizon zero dawn was so bad ass!" Or maybe: "Wow there was this part in Gears 4 that was pretty sweet" or we could all talk about multi plats... like this kind of shit slinging is frankly just so old lol.
It's the worst part of gaming aside from glitches or losing your progress.

Anyway I'm not calling you personally out here either, But, even your pretty decent comment still kinda just looks like another one of us resorting to being monkeys and throwing mud or feces at the other.

Just my two cents.

Your comment wasn't bad or anything really. It's just this tragic idea of us all bickering about this kind of stuff just seems beneath us by now... lol it still just seems like joining in the negativity.

Game on and enjoy.

rainslacker96d ago

By hardcore, I mean people that play enough games to discuss or even maybe care about the numbers to begin with. Like the guy who asked Greenburg who sold what, to which he answered. Those people likely don't care that much about it in terms of consideration for purchasing a console.

The only time those numbers may be a consideration is if a console didn't have enough sales to maintain support, and for the most part, I don't think that'll be a problem this generation.

FinalFantasyFanatic97d ago

Nope, they're boned if they want to beat the ps4 or the Switch, look at the release list for both consoles.

KillBill96d ago

"If you ain't first you're last........" except in this particular case PS4 was last. Go ahead and make less of it than it is but talking about how poor this is for XB1 when PS4 dropped from 1st to last in the month is telling.

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Moonman97d ago

They launched their Of course it was going to sell at LAUNCH. Too bad it isn't currently outselling Nintendo or Sony today during LUNCH. lmao

WilliamSheridan97d ago

Launched in November. December wasn't launch. December shows that it continued to outsell for second month in a row.

Rude-ro97d ago

Outsell what? December is the only npd for Xbox this year

sampsonon97d ago

but the ps4 won November so how can the Xbox outsell 2 months in a row?

morganfell97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

Second month? What did it outsell the 1st month? You do realize Sony took NPD - along with the world - in November right?

And prepare thyself for the disappointment to come. Kratos is only the 1st problem you have to deal with this year.

The Wood97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

Do you guys think warping the truth changes anything. . .

Let's just file this in that folder with all the other game changers shall we. . . It's quite a buff folder yet. . . . . . .🤔

Yes Morgan. . Let's file those things called exclusive games in the 'Reasons why we dominate' folder . . . also quite buff folder. .

UCForce97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

Trust me, when God Of War come out ( March 22nd) it’s going to rekt MS in term of sales.

MasterCornholio97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

Actually the X1 didn't outsell the PS4 for any month until December.

"The PS4 sold the most units of any hardware platform in November, but the Xbox One sold the most in terms of dollar sales."

ZeroX987697d ago

December wasn't a winning month for Xbox, the switch won.
Maybe we aren't used to it yet. but I'm pretty sure PS4 and switch will be the best selling consoles between the big 3.

Aenea97d ago

Ehmm, what? PS4 outsold both Switch and X1 in November...

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OB1Biker97d ago

No it was a poor launch in November since Ps4 did better. In December I believe the numbers were very close and both Xbox and PS4 did not get close to Switch numbers so that didnt show much.

Markusb3396d ago

Xbox didn't win a single month in 2017 now 2nd place is what they celebrate?
Come on now, the narrative changes along with the promises and frame rates. DF are amazing until they are negative (truthful) about the X then it's media bias. I can't keep up

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Sharingan_no_Kakashi97d ago

Lol no. From the beginning Microsoft has been focused more on cool features than games. Gamers are the primary market here. You gottta cater to the gamers. 4k and other media features are cool and all but if they had more exclusive games there would actually be a reason to buy an xbox over a ps4pro.

WilliamSheridan97d ago

Well clearly people felt otherwise since Xbox outsold PS4 in November and December

moegooner8897d ago

PS4 outsold Xbox during X launch in November. So yeah, they didn’t.

kenna99997d ago

Got a link for November's winning xbox sales?

TFJWM97d ago

PS4 won NPD in November and PS4 still outsold Xbox worldwide in December so people clearly didn't feel otherwise...

DarkZane97d ago

PS4 outsold Xbox One in November in USA. PS4 outsold Xbox One in USA for 11 months this year. In december, the PS4 was only 75k units behind the Xbox One and 150k units behind the Switch. Globally, they were probably first.

PS4 won 2017 in the USA by outselling the Switch by 1 million and by outselling the Xbox One by 1.5 millions units. Globally, the PS4 won and completely destroyed the other 2. In fact, globally the other 2 don't even come close.

bluefox75597d ago

MS won on their home turf shortly after releasing a new console? While still losing globally just like they do every month? What a cause for celebration!

UCForce97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

MS didn’t win NPD in November. They only won in December, but it wasn’t good enough. Even that, Switch will catch up or surpass Xbox One sales, this will humiliate MS twice.

MasterCornholio97d ago

No it didn't.

"The PS4 sold the most units of any hardware platform in November, but the Xbox One sold the most in terms of dollar sales."

Aenea97d ago

1) we're talking NPD I assume, which is just North America, not the world, something really worth adding if you ask me
2) PS4 sold most in November's NPD... (and worldwide)

Razzer97d ago

Dude...stop making shit up.

trooper_97d ago

William: So where's your source?

OB1Biker97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

Does that go along with Xbox won npd in July 2016 bs or xbl never goes down myth?

DarXyde96d ago


Only December did Xbox One outsell PS4. Microsoft only made more money in November.

What's amusing is making more money totally does not mean they profited either. If most of their sales were driven by a product they're taking a loss on (presumably the Xbox One X), they actually didn't profit as healthily.

Have some respect for facts, son.

Markusb3396d ago

Alternative facts xbox did not win in November stop with the lies. Sony took November npd xbox have not won a single month in 2017

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Enjoigamin97d ago

i bought a pro and had the OG ps4 i can tell you there was no reason to buy the pro but for it to sound like a jet least the X made improvements to games unlike the pro.

xsta1ker97d ago

out sold is a numbers count of consoles... if you guy's look at the profit numbers from those NPD consoles sold
you will clearly see how well the one x has sold and help Microsoft win in the profit numbers noveber&December
Microsoft may have come up a little sort on the how many they sold but that 500 one x told the real story
profit why's beating out both sony and Nintendo.

MasterCornholio97d ago (Edited 97d ago )


Revenue =/= to profit.

"Profit is the net income of the business. In general, profit equals revenue less expenses. However, companies typically calculate multiple measures of profit on an income statement. Gross profit shows the total revenue minus the variable costs, or cost of goods sold."


As for claiming the Xbox One X is generating profit it really isn't.

"When asked by Business Insider if the Xbox One X would be profitable for Microsoft, Spencer flatly answered “No.” "

Notice how it was Spencer that said that?

ScootaKuH96d ago

Maybe you need to get your Pro looked at because mine is much quieter than standard PS4 and last time I checked the OG PS4 wasn't capable of up to 4K resolution with HDR

Father__Merrin97d ago

Xbox one X launched once the next npd comes round it should be back with Sony and gam8ngbolt desperation will get worse

Gardenia97d ago

This is only in the US, which is a small part of the gaming community. Worldwide PS4 is still on top even with the launch of the Xbox One X

xsta1ker97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

im not on my computer so i can't post the link.
look up gamespot December 14 they have the NPD listing of units sold and clearly shows xbox lead in dollar sales
because of the one x.

so ya this is nothing to do with Microsofts total net income the fact is xbox x lead in sales hens profits ms.

Razzer96d ago

As MasterCornholio pointed out, you are confusing revenue with profit.

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showtimefolks97d ago (Edited 97d ago )

no because ps4 still won globally and is on pace to sell 15-20 million by next march to being the total to 90 plus million. I find it hilarious that MS/it's executives/PR people said we won't talk about sale numbers yet they get one month ahead of ps4 and all the numbers talk is coming out while forgetting the fact they lost the month to switch

for xbox brand to be the best selling console it has to deliver games

yakuza 6
god of war
mlb the show
ni nu kuni 2

just in first 6 months ps4 got these but let me hear the argument from xbox camp about exclusives don't matter but the moment xbox gets some exclusives the will all of the sudden matter. Just like sale numbers don't matter until xbox outsells ps4

how major nelson still has a PR job is beyond me i feel like he brings more negative attention to xbox brand than anything else