Destiny 2 has been having a rough time of it lately. People were generally underwhelmed by the Curse of Osiris expansion and they were frankly furious about ‘The Dawning’ Christmas content and activities.
Bungie has been in damage control of D2 basically since it launched. Not a good sign. At least with Destiny 1 it was progressive disappointment with each new DLC. With D2 it has been backlash right out of the gate. The problem is there is no real content coming anytime soon (I don't count Crimson Days as anything more than what the Dawning is -- useless) which means nothing is going to get better for some time.
finally deleted D2, not coming back until they overhaul PvP and bring back 6v6.
good thing you gave them your money
@chris235 don't rub it in :(
@chris235 Don't underestimate the value of player-recidivism. When it comes to online games, companies would much rather have one player who continues playing their game throughout the year than 10 players who only play it for a month. Choosing to jump ship, even if you have already paid for the game, sends a clear message.
they are bringing back 6v6 tho
Knowing Activision they'll end up re-releasing the game as a complete, enhanced, or ultimate edition which includes some major expansion and quest that can't be played with the base game alone.
Yeah like CoD oh wait
D3 will be out by then so what's the point of getting it? Unless you like playing alone, or sit through matchmaking limbo to get on-line...
i remember people getting upset with the first destiny pretty quickly actually.
Yeah he has that totally backwards. People started out mad with D1, then it got progressively BETTER with each DLC.
Except they still didn't solve some of the major problems, like no matchmaking, little content, and no discount for digital owners. Yeah here you can get the full game for $40, but if you own the digital version base game, you had to pay like $90. Thus many people left after the base content was complete, which wasn't that long.
I don't remember being angry at D1 from the start. We got upset with each new DLC giving us less and less. I remember the backlash when House of Wolves came out and all we got was the Prison of Elders and a new Social Space.
i would argue the other way. D1 had good DLC and expansions for example taken king was exactly what people wanted it added and mixed up the gameplay at the time a lot. but is it strange that Destiny 1 on launch atleast felt like that game that in time would become something good like you could see the potential there it just needed fleshing out. D2 on the other hand just felt dead on arrival, you finish the story and there was nothing and you was punished if you want to actually play the game. sure it looks pretty especially on PC and the gameplay like Destiny 1 feels great but as a game you keep playing there is nothing heck even Destiny 1 had some longivity on launch
Bungie/Activision dont care because destiny 2 sold tons and is selling, but the game is lacking in every sector. The only thing spot on is the gameplay. The Curse of osiris is crap, content wise, but i see tons of gamers that bought so much stuff from the eververse that i cant believe.
yeah, CoO brought basically nothing to the table. We got a new strike, a playable planet which is basically one sector on any other planet, and a bunch of weapons that you have to grind mindless activities for hours on end in order to acquire the mats needed to craft each weapon. Eververse is just garbage. Remember when it was basic cosmetic things like emotes and shaders? Yeah, those days are gone. I wouldn't be surprised to see weapons show up there soon enough.
A new strike, its a mission from the DLC... How hard is to make strikes!!!! I use to do so many... How about full set of armors and guns for each strike. Planet, that is so small that it got only one public event.... How hard is to create amazing exotic armors and weapons????? What i dont understand is why others studios dont create a proper Destiny. A clone, because it would be so easy to make something much better then Destiny. Besides Warframe. We gonna get Anthem, but i think that game will also have huge problems (EA)....
@ corroios. with that logic then D2 came with what, 3 strikes out the box? Several of the original strikes were just a mission that ended up being in the strike playlist. I do agree though. At least in D1 strikes were separate from the missions and labeled as such. But that is the very least of the concerns for this game. Though more strikes are desperately needed everything at this point is desperately needed for D2. From simple medial things to adding more end game content. And Bungie should be ashamed with CoO and Mercury. A friend says, "and here I thought the Dreadnaught was small." The Dreadnaught dwarfs Mercury. As for a clone. It wouldn't be so easy to make something much better than Destiny. At it's core Destiny is a great game. However, any dev could develop and release a decently sized game with enough ground to traverse and end game content to keep gamers interested until an actual DLC or Expansion is released. That is one the major gaping flaw Bungie has always had. A severely vanilla game with pitiful DLC/Expansions/Season Passes. The amount of content never justifies the price or gives sustainability to the game.
the gameplay is crap, unless you mean simply the core mechanics of shooting.
yes, thats it.
They should care, because this is supposed to be a 10 year or so series. If they want people to buy Destiny 2 DLC, Destiny 3, Destiny 3 DLC, Destiny 4, Destiny 4 DLC... well they have to stop pissing people off.
Big companies aren't as concerned about initial sales as you might think, at least for multiplayer games like Destiny 2. They are more interested in player retention. If the game sells like gang busters, but loses 80% of its initial player base, that's considered a big failure.
I haven’t played in over a month and haven’t been tempted to go back. After reading this article I wish I never picked up Destiny 2
I just traded it in when it had the $40 trade in value. Got hit by the realization of how barebones it is after doing the story and seeing how so many things are put behind the eververse
I still haven't bothered playing the latest expansion yet. I was busy for 2 weeks after it released and then noticed everyone on my list had already stopped playing it. For me i think they should be releasing free story expansions on a monthly basis And offering fresh new missions.
I bought the digital deluxe barf, D1 was a decent game but wow did D2 suck right out of the gate.
D1 wasn't a decent game either.
After the Taken King for D1 I quit the game and haven't looked back. I have no desire whatsoever to ever buy this game and play it lol.
Keep expecting this kind of stuff til your willing to pay $80 for a new game. Production costs are exceeding or severely impacting ROI, thus more revenue generators are required. If gov’t steps in with MT regulation, that decision will be made for you. Developers will have no choice but to charge more up front, knowing they can’t count on residuals. Simply continuing to charge you $60 all in doesn’t cover it anymore. Those days are gone for AAA. Bookmark this comment for the future “I told you so”.
The fact the gaming audience continues to grow which means more sales and in turn more money I think they are fine at the price points they have now. It's greed plain and simple. Last year you had a game like Hellblade which did fantastic in sales despite looking like a big risk...want to know why it did well? The game was good, the price was right, the release window was spot on, it had alright marketing for what it was. It's just good decisions that are needed at the end of the day. Take a look at the Evil Within 2, fantastic game which stepped up every criticism made in the first game yet it didn't do aswell sale wise because Bethesda put it in the same month as their other game Wolfenstein II along with countless others. Now they are paying for it, and it's not the games fault nor is it ours yet because of that the third games future is up in the air.
Destiny was due to huge criticisms from the very start and Activision was going to do everything in their power to get as much money as they can from the deal. It should have been a full blown MMO game but Activision doesn't want to give up the $60 price point that's guaranteed upfront. But everyhing is not fine. That's why we had online passes, then season passes and now microtransactions. N64 games in todays dollars exceeds what big titles cost to make now. Meanwhile development teams have grown expenentionally, as have marketing budgets which are needed because unlike the N64 days there are far more games being released all trying to get your dollar. Of course it's easy to say everything is fine when your only obligation is to buy the game or not. Are movie tickets the same price as they were in the 80's? Inflation is real, no use passing the buck and ignoring that because you want higher production games for the same price. If you don't care about large titles such as Assassins Creed or Destiny then there are lots of games that have smaller budgets out there like Hellblade. Mario games no longer sell 15 million copies, Halo no longer sells 15 million copies, Gran Turismo no longer sells 15 million copies. But are those games getting the same budgets as they did then?
Evil within 2 is an awesome game, highly recommended for anyone who has not tried it.
@ Brian7655492 "But everyhing is not fine. That's why we had online passes, then season passes and now microtransactions." These things are likely more based in companies trying to maximize profits. For instance, reselling, sharing, renting and more are all lost revenue, which companies wanted to try to get at, since that is easy revenue. The same is true for season passes and microtransactions. Season passes try to maximize sales, by minimizing risk. How many people bought the Destiny 2 expansion pass, hated the first expansion and wish they didn't pay for the other? That is exactly how it works. Microtransactions are basically the best ratio in relation to effort and profit. "Meanwhile development teams have grown expenentionally, as have marketing budgets which are needed because unlike the N64 days there are far more games being released all trying to get your dollar. " Yes, but it's also important to understand how the market has changed. I'm willing to bet it was far more costly to print an N64 game than a PS4 game and even now a days games can release without any production costs. Likewise, in the past you didn't have as many ways to market, where as today you can have a single PR agent craft a press release and a number of outlets will cover it. Not to mention things like Twitch and YouTube increase awareness, largely for free, so the costs have certainly changed. "Mario games no longer sell 15 million copies, Halo no longer sells 15 million copies, Gran Turismo no longer sells 15 million copies." Also, it's important to note that a lot of these are assisted by things like bundles. Like, just looking at GT you have a number of bundles ranging from the PSP to PSVR.
That is pure fallacy. Take EA as an example: https://youtu.be/PTLFNlu2N_...
You can miss me with all of that bullshit you just said. How does Warframe, which is a very similar in some ways, and also an entirely free game, have more consistent content updates than Destiny, when they basically have unlimited funds? lol I told you so.. please don't act like you stumbled upon something deep that hasn't been discussed ad nauseum already.
Kum You can't be serious because no gamer can think like that
Wow. Someone has fallen deep into the “PR for Newbs” line. Bless. Once you’re older you’ll realise how marketing works in the real world.
Yeah that's bull. The audience is growing and the sales are too. More people are buying games, so the idea that these devs are not making a good ROI is complete B.S. They are the ones with overbloated budgets, they are the ones that push the idea of graphics first, everything else second, they are their own worst enemy.
“I told you so” Please explain this https://gamerant.com/destin... and how MTs are needed when big games make those kind of numbers in just 1st month in the market. I would take your "I told you so" seriously if it came with numbers to back it up. As it stands you're nothing more than a parrot to me repeating what others have said without a single shred of evidence for the doom and gloom you parrots like to preach
Well hate to say I told you so buuuuut.... Just stop supporting Destiny and ignore Destiny 3 when it's announced no matter how much PR bullshit they spew out.
COD, EA games, Destiny, etc etc. These games sell tons and there is always tons of complaints. Why don't people just stop buying these games ? All of this complaining and what do they do ? they buy the next game anyway! These people are idiots. If you don't want to get treated like a mug, then don't act like one.
There's tons of people who don't ever put anything more then 10% of their effort into anything they do outside of work and relationships. They don't see all the stuff happening in front of them and just parrot what other people go on about.
And there lies the overall problem, how many people who are currently pissed off with Bungie/Destiny 2 are going to preorder the super epic mega deluxe edition of Destiny 3 including the "expansion" pass then proudly gloat about it like it's some sort of achievement?
Lol right? I said the same thing, Destiny 1 was just as bland, repetitive and empty as the squeal(Even more so really) yet everyone ate it up, then the second one came around and I told everyone, don't waste your time or money, its not gonna add anything new, just same old grind grind grind for gear with loads of garbage DLC, and would you look at that... it's almost as if a monkey could have predicted it, hell i'm sure Patcher did. but just let the mindless fanbase get screwed, they deserve every bit of it.
This is why I'm going to wait a few years and get the complete edition on the cheap.
By then the server would be most likely to go offline.
They very well might be, and that's exactly why I'm not a fan of online only games. The servers are still up for the first one though, so we'll see. If they go down before I end up getting it then oh well, there are other games to play.
I wish bungie make more halo's games and go back to microsoft
At least now we know why MS decided to let them go 3rd party!
I'd say most of the news was either so small but it didn't really matter. you know one guy here there doesn't make a big news headline. The big ones to look for our ones written by a guy named Schreiber at Kotaku. Now that's not to say all the staff went back to 343 a bunch of them went independent or left the industry
All the original staff already went back to 343 after D1. You got to read up man.
Crap, when did this happen? Was it after Halo 5? Seriously, I have no idea how I missed this but do you have any links? Searching comes up with too much info to wade through and I can't seem to find it...
Man, I knew this would happen. I was severely disappointed with 1. So sad to see Bungie fall that low. Nice one, Activision.
I havnt played D2 in a months and by this article, i wont be going back any time soon
The sad thing is Destiny 3 is gonna be a Blockbuster game
I feel bad for buying Destiny 2. At least I haven't purchased their DLC for D2. It's too bad as I enjoyed D1 a lot and expected a lot more from D2. But it's not even 1/10 of what D1 was.
Lol why would someone buy destiny 2. If you buy destiny or cod YOU r the problem. Stop finding this b.s. because they will keep doing it
Glad I never bought into this franchise. Bungie knowingly signed with Activision saying they want to go with Activision due to their success in big online mp games Bungie saw the money and became greedy Sadly destiny 2 sold so well that bungie won't learn a thing Gamers need to stop supporting these shallow games
I can’t believe this is the same company that gave us Halo 1, 2 and 3. In name only I guess.
It looks like Bungie was much better when they were with Microsoft. Two bad games in a row. I didn't like D1 so much I didn't get D2 and it looks like I made a wise choice.
Can't believe I bought this bullshit! Shame on me :'(
I'd prefer if Bungie just made a different game at this point. Destiny has just been a major, even frustrating, disappointment and killed all the love I had for them from the Halo days.
I played destiny 2 for a day and half then traded it in lol.
Quitting this game was the best thing I’ve done in gaming!
Destiny has no excuse for not improving exploration and get real stuff and vehicles with good story and big planets that isnt just empty and just filled with enemies no cities or good people. It has potenials but mass effect is mile ahead in term of aliens and visiting other planets. Destiny 2 is just improve of D1 which already is a simple 20$ game, Nothing more.
I put the game for sale on Craigslist last week for $25. No hits at all. I doubt I'll get any responses, and if I do, it will be "Will you take $20?" or a trade offer for a game I already have. I'll wait and see how these new updates work. They have to give me a reason to play. I haven't played in over 2 months. Have they made hand cannons useable now? They sucked. And auto rifles needed a nerf. Also, let me choose what Crucible gamemode I wan't. I hate Cuntdown and Supremacy. Also, why can't every online shooter have game modes where only solo players are allowed to join to play as random teams (not talking about Rumble). I'm talking about something like Mercenary from Black Ops 1 where no parties are allowed and the random teams seemed balanced. They also need to make the specials feel like specials. Most importantly, bring back the snipers! I love sniping in D1 and in D2, I think I only sniped twice and got no kills because it's more efficient to get rockets or sword ammo than to gamble with the snipers. They just don't feel responsive like the LDR and 1000 Yard Stare. Please bring back the Icebreaker! The game is just boring. I never did the raid and the strikes were incredibly boring because there were so few of them. I only did one Nightfall because I hated the timer and couldn't stand that one where the boss turns invisible. Grinding in this game feels like a chore. I hated grinding in D1 also, but at least it was for a reason/reward. Here, I feel like I'm wasting my life. If I don't sell the game, I'll re-install it and check it out again simply because I won't be locked out of content since I haven't and will never buy any of the DLC for this game.
RIP the Loot cave
I feel soooooo sad for bungie for signing there kiss of death with ACTIVISION, I was seeing some you tube videos on behind the scene of the making of HALO 2 the passion the vision and scope for the game (even they din't make they target it still a fucking awesome game) they put into crafting some of the or the best fps to this day, I don't know if we ever will have that magic time with DESTINY like I have with HALO , I MISS BUNGIA NOT THIS FUCKING CRAP LOOTBOXES MICROTRANSACTION SHITSS