Victor Cardoso looks at the End of Titanfall 2 and how a great game was failed by its publisher.
RIP Titanfall. I can't wait to see what Respawn does next, but then I'm also worried that this time EA will have full control...
I thought they were working on a third still? Hopefully EA let them do it as they want to do it. TF2 was rock solid as an FPS - easily my top pick gameplay wise.
I agree, TF2 is a beautiful and well balanced game with really innovative levels and unique game play (single player campaign) , every time I play it I am amazed by how it was treated by EA.
Blame EA for releasing the game around Call of Duty and Battlefield, thinking it was a good idea.
Ya it could have easily waited a quarter and dominated.
I disagree. Outside of blogger circles, and a couple youtubers/twitch streamers swearing it was the future, nobody really cared about the game. It obviously would have sold better if not placed in the launch window it was, but I don't think it would have been that much better. It's just call of duty with mechs, albeit people claim the single player is better, I watched it and all I saw was a typical modern, crappy FPS single player game.
It was suppose to go against cod. When should they release it? The game is not spectacular. A 4 hour campaign and a second game from an online only version with some shade on the name from the exclusive deal made with Microsoft. It was more than just “release date”. If the game was spetaculad, the first one would have been more successful than it was. When the player base drops so fast after launch, it means those that bought was not that impressed. See any destiny 2 cry post talking about player drops.
The game was : is good but what made titanfall titanfall was the speed and maneuverability...that was slowed down dramatically in tf2. Everything just felt off about the game from day 1. I played TF1 nonstop but could barely stomach tf2 for any extended period of time. Went from being a good player to being terrible just on the changes they made. even the titans are easily killed now unless you hunt for a battery...seriously
i was just going to say that. titanfall 1 gameplay incredible, speed was amazing. Loved it. TF2 slowed down, weird changes, didnt like it. I enjoyed story but thats it
Totally agree with you. I love TF1 because of the maneuverability! It felt so natural. TF2 feels different, I don't know how to describe it, it just doesn't feel right. It is like playing COD. Not that this is bad at all, but its just COD and not TF anymore! IMO that is the biggest flaw of TF2, since the campaign and new online modes and more weapons etc. have been an improvement. But that is worthless without out the exceptional gameplay of Tf1 though.
Exactly. 1 was a much better game.
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Good read. Yes the beta was a disaster, but the game itself is great! But I disagree that EA killed Ttianfall 2. It is the consumer that killed it. Initially yes, EA was dumb with the release window. After the release window it was all consumer baby. Which is sad considering how much gamers complain about paying for dlc, micro transactions and season passes. Respawn actually listened to its audience and delivered free maps and game modes. We complain about playing the same thing over and over and when we get a game that changes things up, no one bought it. They even added a damn fun story mode. EA was simply responding to what consumers want when they made Battlefront II (okay, maybe not that extreme). Even right now, the game is like $15. You get a AAA complete game for the price of some DLC. Yet there's people who are reading this comment right now, who have complained about game as a service on this site, who play COD or Battlefield or some other generic shooter, who have heard of how great Titanfall 2 is...and have yet to even try this game. That upsets me more than the crappy release window from EA.
while a lot of people blame the failure of TF2 on EA(and yes they do deserve a lot of blame) the bigger reason why TF2 failed was due to having not as much hype. By making the 1st game exclusive many still thought Tf2 was an xbox exclusive and i am not talking about us the core gamers i am talking about causals i look at TF2 and i compare it to watch dogs 2. Both games had the same fate the moment they launched. First time around it was all hype xbox fanboys were touting about TF1 like it was their next Halo and the overall hype a game gets when it's exclusive to one brand is just more because for whatever reason gamers get more excited if something is exclusive I just bought TF2 for $9 launching in between BF1 and COD wasn't great either but that is not the only reason TF2 failed. If you look at the overall launch window/hype for TF1 and compare it to TF2 it was no where near as hyped as the original. Another thing gamers didn't like wads the Beta for game left gamers with more concerns/questions than answers in the case of TF2 and WD2 first impression is the last impression. It was wrong for EA to launch the game when they did but it was also wrong for respawn to allow the first game to be exclusive. the reason i blame respawn is because they were under no obligation to listen o EA because they owned the IP and could decide whatever they thought was the best option look at rise of tomb raider making games exclusive to xbox one and passing on ps4 is bad for business this gen. ROTTR sold a lot less than the original reboot which by the way sqauer enix said didn't sell well enough and the studio head behind ROTTR was let go and he joined MS publishers need to learn from failure of these 3 games and make sure launch is handled well
That’s an issue with exclusivity in general. Games never will sell as well as they can when they limit themselves to 1 platform. I’d love to play TLOU2, the new god of war, horizon but I’m not about to pay $400 for a console just to play those couple of games.
you could have paid $199 plus get a $50 giftcard from gamestop during holiday sales and even the ps4 pro isn't $399 let me ask you did you paid $499 for the most powerful console in the world without exclusives? if your answer is yes no need to reply because that in itself is absurd
@showtime, i'm only interested in a couple of exclusives from sony. That's going to be 1 game every 3 or 4 years. If I got a PS4 Pro (the best version of the playstation) it is $399, and it would collect dust until those very few games came out. Everyone I play with has been on xbox for years, that's my preferred platofrm. stop with the no exclusives talk, might not have the same caliber exclusives that i'm into but they have them. Also the multiplat games are performing better on the XOX. So pay 400 for 3 or 4 games or 500 for way more games that I can actually play with my buddies? It would be absurd to do the former my friend. I could just get a base PS4 though since I do just want a couple of games from them.
^ Sounds like you already had an Xbox One, so......
Saijahn same caliber or not ms isn't even in the same universe compared to sony or nintendo when it comes to exclusives. I guess to each their own buying a $500 console to play multi platform games is by choice ps4 has been $350 and sometimes even below with extra game bundled in i am more into single player games so my system of choice will always be play station first because sony will deliver on that better than anyone else
I don't know how much sense that makes or how that helps the argument given that Titanfall 1 did better than 2 I believe. And if that's the case, the argument could be made that it should have remained exclusive to MS's box. And though we know thar most don't mind when certain consoles nab exclusivity around here, we certainly know that most here won't argue that. However, franwex Surly brought up some valid points. At some point you have to stop blaming EA and trying to constantly blame Microsoft or somebody else for this games failure. Sure some things in the help, but people could have spoken with our wallets if we really wanted to make this game a success and we're true to some of the things that we spew out everyday
Going to have to seriously disagree with a lot of your reasoning here. "By making the 1st game exclusive many still thought Tf2 was an xbox exclusive and i am not talking about us the core gamers i am talking about causals" First of all any casual could tell that Titanfall 2 was also for PS4, it was advertised on TV and I am 199% positive it was advertised digitally on the PS4 marketplace. Please give "casuals" a little more credit, they are not completely inept when it comes to finding games. I have never before heard an excuse of blaming a game for first being an exclusive for it's poor sales of the sequel if it goes multiplat. If anything that excuse would reflect even worse on the user base that preached that if the game was on PS4 it would have sold more. If anything the game should have remained a Xbox exclusive and Respawn should have partnered with MS to not only get a big marketing push but possibly a better window to launch their game. Respawn if anything caved in to a lot of online response, port begging and screaming for a SP that if you would have read the comments said the game would be a success. But as usual TF2's biggest highlight was once again it's MP component that expanded on the fun design from part one. "look at rise of tomb raider making games exclusive to xbox one and passing on ps4 is bad for business this gen." No it's not, it just makes for good ranting but there is no way this actually rings true for every game as we have already seen games sell just as bad when released on PS4 first.
Wow dude, not much else to add. So I will just stand up and give you a totally legit and well deserved gentleman's clap of applause. Kiwi663h ago(Edited 3h ago) @silly could be because the devs stated publicly that they wanted TF2 to be multiplat See, this person gets it. It's kinda like when I tell these cats our here rhat want to show off and buy chicks drinks and other shit when we're out and they don't undersrand what I'm getting at. I'm not fattening up rhe goose so someone else can take it and eat. They seem to understand what I mean when/if the chicks k'bye them or they see the dude that kept his bread in his pocket helping her dizzy ass get in his car drunk of the drinks that you got here lol. Why would MS gas them up when they expressed that they wanted to let others ride for free? Well, they made rheir choice. And clearly gamers made theirs.
No casual would look at the game and still think it’d be exclusive. Every article and every trailer clearly showed it to be multiplatform
"I just bought TF2 for $9" - Great move pilot! I bought 2 copies for 10 bucks each for a few buds on Rakuten and now I have a squad for Frontier Defense! Game is sick.
I am pretty sure Respawn ran out of funding, and where EA was unwilling to invest further, Microsoft stepped in with funding, advertising, and a deal concerning the use of their cloud servers, in exchange fro exclusivity. Also I have read multiple times that Respawn chose the release date for TF2 (before BF1 and COD release dates were announced) and wouldn't budge from it, so that is on them. EA did fail them with marketing, and I am worried about their new ownership.
TF could've been on PS4 first alongside Xbox if Sony had been interested in helping out with development of the game instead of stalling like they did for whatever reason but as they weren't Microsoft stepped up and helped where they could when they were asked by the devs
So if MS was so charitable for Titan Fall 1, why didn't they do the same for 2? On topic I love the game. I think it's a blast to play. I'm disappointed that it didn't do well, but I'm really not surprised.
@silly could be because the devs stated publicly that they wanted TF2 to be multiplat
If you've played Titanfall 2... the great campaign, multiplayer and the newly released frontier defense (coop horde) modes, you'd know how any whif of TF2 being considered anything less than FPS excellence is complete BS. Yes, it was released at the wrong time against rinse and repeat juggernaut titles. However, that doesn't change Respawn Entertainment's accomplishment in creating the best most intense FPS with tightest control, incredible graphics/sound and IMO, the most unique FPS available this gen. No pay to win, you can earn everything pretty easily. The game has excellent balance and all updates are free. You can pickup TF2 for like 10-20 bucks right now depending on the version and it's beyond worth it. As for EA, let's hope they learned their lesson with SWBF2.
Clearly a person that did not play the first game.
The Call of Duty game few wanted outside of the first game's hype. It was never destined to go beyond 1 game and do well imo.
Titanfall should have been a summer blockbuster game it plays well but the the Titans are too many on maps. Titaan should be a harder to gain mech skill to use in multiplayer, also grunts was a fail
I never understood what people saw in this game. I rented it to see what it was all about. It's just as bad as COD with lightning fast, unrealistic weapon handling and barely there recoil. But at the same time it feels worse than COD and the guns were terrible. Even when you're in the mechs, you don't feel like it because they still move too smooth. I'm not saying every game needs to be Rainbow Six levels of realism, but damn, this game is literally COD with robots. Feels like one of those B games like Lost Planet.
If they think this was bad, wait until they see what they do to the studio.
It's alive and well. Great MP. Action packed and lots of wow moments.
As I recall when TitanFall 1 was released we were told non-stop, daily from the time TitanFall was revealed at E3 2013 till release that TitanFall was gonna be the best FPS ever, the "Call of Duty killer"! And it was gonna be the Xbox one "killer app"......Then it released on Xbox one and XB360 and it was a flop as it was neither the Call of Duty killer or the X1 killer app and best FPS, really? . Not many would hop off the TitanFall hype train and into the TitanFall game as sells were poor at best for a game that was going be the "Call of Duty killer". Then TitanFall 2 comes around with no hype at least compared to T1 but it's going to release on the X1 and PS4 instead of the the X1 and Xbox 360 but really the user base of the 2 really doesn't change that much and T2 was more of a sells flop than T1 though it may have sold a few more than T1 IDK and does anyone really care? But, it was good to see the game Dev and Game Publisher put TitanFall 2 to the test of being the "Call of Duty killer" releasing it along Side CoD IW lol as CoD IW was the worst CoD's at least in a long time though I did like it TitanFall just could not stand up to the test. BTW I purchased T1 and T2 on day 1 of release and liked both but neither was a great game IMO. You can blame the T2 flop on the release date but the 2 TitanFall gms were released at 2 different times of the year and but both failed to meet expectations so I think we can now say TitanFall was much more of a great Hyped game than a great game.
Titanfall is alot better than games such as call of duty. It's got a hell of alot going for it. It just didn't sell as well as some,but i'm sure it sold better than many. It's one of the best multiplayer i.p's ever !
Zero idea why EA released the game in the same window as Battlefield 1
So it would sell less, which would have a negative effect on Respawn, which in turn put EA in a position to buy Respawn for roughly $400m.
Wow never thought of it that way, that’s really scummy if true
Just like all EA's other titles.
EA will surely end the life of Titan Fall 2 with loot boxes, Micro Transactions and Pay Walls. This thing is over in the hands of EA. Their new obsession with Micro Transaction might end the life of interesting and exiting games like the Titan Fall franchise. Rest in peace Titan Fall. You will be remembers as one of the best mech games that really made both classical fps and mech action work together perfectly.
This game is better then BF and COD
The first one being exclusive killed any hype I had for the series. Then Overwatch was released and I lost interest in any other online shooter. The only reason I'd play this now is if it came onto PSPlus.
I think if it was simply delayed/pushed back to Spring 2017, it would had done much better. Let's face it, EA killed it by making it go against Call of Duty and Battlefield 1. Those two games got so much marketing and hype when TF2 just got buried in the ground.
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I'm still dropping titans like they're hot. Who doesn't want to drop them like its hot? Titanfall 2 is quite easily one of the most balanced FPS titles in recent years. Sure, its first game was a staggering mess. It was rushed, it was ugly, and it had a lot of work cut out for it, but Respawn came back swinging with Titanfall 2. The only thing that sucked? EA wanted to go down their "Games as a Service" model they've been so adamant about. They wanted to monetize it, but with how Respawn developed it, they couldn't. I really hope they decide to keep Titanfall 2 alive with at least some micro-updates to help fix any bugs there may be or even add in a few new color schemes for my pilot. Besides that? I'm worried about Respawn. I think EA's going to try to monetize the Hell out of their future game and then will let the team go when it falls through due to micro-DLC backlashes.
1 was a much better game. The only good thing about 2 is that it has maps from part 1.
Single player had done cool moments in the back 9 but for the most part was very typical for a shooter. The game was just not that fun
as long as they will be losing this online based multiplayer crap i will be interested. otherwise my money will again go elsewhere.
I still play quite a bit,and have no problems getting into a game. I think its far from dead.
They changed the maps in 2 to be "laned" and the only good maps in the game were from part 1.
i knew this would happen the moment they were announced as multiplats. lol. not a knock, but i't just the nature of the gamer and the different platforms. xbox gamers main choice of games to play are multiplayer games that are shooters and racers and playstation gamers main games of choice are single player games that are single player style of games like rpg's, action adventure, and puzzle. shooters do better on xbox because it's the shooter box and adventure does better on ps because it's the solo box. now you might be saying that destiny 1 did very well on the ps4? of course it did, because this was sony fans way of buying into the taunt of we just took something that should've belonged to xbox fans (bungie and one of their ip's which use to be exclusive to xbox). but now that hype and dig is gone. now you're faced to look at destiny for what it really is. a very basic game that it has always been.
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