The battle for console dominance should be measured in frames-per-second and not 4K eye candy.
I think frame rate should trump resolution. There has been an over obsession with resolution since the start of this Gen. However, none of the current console have a beefy enough CPU to consistently deliver 60 FPS.
What are you talking about? Most FPS multiplayer experiences are 60fps on console. It's simply up to the Dev to utilize consoles powers.
By “Consistently deliver 60 FPS”, I mean nearly all games, regardless of level size or mode. Consoles, currently don’t have many 60 FPS singleplayer games. I do agree with you some devs don’t use hardware as well as others. I am currently playing through Prey (2017); the game feels and looks plain unoptimized.
There is nothing wrong with 30fps for base PS4, X1, and Switch. However I would much rather preder 1080/60 on PSPro and X1X. Res is the most overrated aspect in gaming today IMO. At the very least give us the option of performance or 4k. I mean it is not like these consoles are not running on 86x, so PC like settings should not be much of a stretch to deliver.
Maybe it's difficult and costly to implement, but I'd love to see more console games giving the player the choice like Nioh did. As soon as I booted it up, I switched it to performance mode and never changed it because that's what's important to me, and guys who don't mind sacrificing frames for that 1080p resolution with less aliasing are catered for too. Everybody's happy.
I agree. It's rare where 30 frames over 60 would make much difference to me and i prefer better pictures. That doesnt mean higher resolution all the time, just better image quality. Overall, can't go wrong with offering both.
i went resolution because i can't stand looking at jaggies
With a jag CPU, 60 frames locked its very hard to achieve.... maybe next gen they go for a more powerfull CPU.
Doesn't matter the CPU. Developers will always use processing power for graphics and maintain the 30fps.
Hopefully, the gpu could be a step up from the one x and the CPU could be next gen and 4K 60 should be reasonable.
I'd rather higher frame rates including on base consoles because I don't care about a few extra defined blades of grass or pores on a characters face. Even if I had a 4K TV it would not matter. Good Visuals don't equal a good game. Good mechanics and a smooth frame rate over visually polished turds are always funner, which is what gaming USED to be.
Exactly. The funniest part is it's these underpowered consoles that are chasing these graphics, when they're never going to catch PCs in the first place. Why not focus on a smoother gameplay experience?
I 100% disagree
I dont want my xbox cheating on me with another gamer
how the devs wants us the play their games should trump all.
We all woudn't have any money left. These days devs much rather us spend money on loot boxes and open them than actually playing their games.
thats an opinion of course, personally I would prefer fidelity and more effects higher texture resolution. This is of course cause I'm not a competitive player but more single player story gamer.
It needs to be a standard option. Allow the consumer to toggle between fidelity & framework. Especially now that we have these mid gen upgrades.
I will turn down resolution and quality settings for higher FPS on my PC every time. The difference in visuals is minor. The difference in gameplay is significant.
Agreed I prefer framerate over resolution. If you must reach 4K resolution with all the bells and whistles just make it an option. At least then people can decide if they rather have 1080p 60FPS or 4K 30FPS. I know a few games offer this at the moment but I mean every game should offer it.
I disagree. I just want a stable frame rate. Doesn't have to be 60 unless its competitive or a skill based game. Other than that I could care less what the frame rate is as long as it's stable. Give me the eye candy. The better the graphics, the more immersive the game is for me.
I originally posted that texture quality, effects, resolution should trump framerate in non competitive games,b ut why not just do it like tombraider or other games and have a 60fps mode and a quality mode , solves the problem for everyone.
The whole point of both upgrades is to cater to those looking for better visuals (as stated by the manufacturers), not split the multiplayer community. Want a say in how your system prioritises it’s resources? Get a PC.
Depends on the game
I dont care about frame rate, 60fps looks unnatural and like fast forward to me. I want better res. Just put the options in for people jesus. Before you open your mouths save the "it just makes it smoother" I can see the extra frames and it makes it look like fastforward.
Yes, but often they are held back by only the cpu so they may as well fully utilize the gpu.
the simple fact that consoles this gen still struggle for 60fps is astounding and cringe worthy.
All this fu(K!Ng garbage has just about sucked the fun out of gaming for me, with those knob jockeys at digital foundry making out that you have purchased a $h !T show, if it's of a lesser resolution or fps. These boring fu( K$ are wrecking the industry. Just to be clear i own an HDR 4K set up and own all the consoles, so i'm not in any way picking sides. I just wish we could get back to talking about the games themselves, rather than some spotted freckle faced d!(khead pretending that he technically has nous and gravitas. (all apologies for my dodgy language, i'm just genuinely exasperated at certain aspects of an industry, we all on here love and enjoy for the most part)
lol..I don't know what I just read..
Sincere apologies dear chap, as i was hammered on rum when i wrote that twaddle. My lame excuse, is that it's Christmas and the silly season. In simple layman's terms, what i was alluding to, is that certain sites are forensically breaking down the graphical details of titles. While i concede that this is very much appreciated in some quarters, for me however, it has had the opposite effect and worn me down, when i'd rather sites concentrated on the essence of the magic of the games themselves. Have a magical and fantastic Christmas.
I think 1080p/ 60 should be established before looking into higher res. I don’t really see the point in 4K if the game can’t even hit a consistent 30.
Usually it’s the cpu causing the games to be limited to 30 FPS, and in those cases we may as well put the gpu to good use.
Or just give users a choice like a lot of PS4 pro and one x games already do. Tomb raider and project cars 2 for example let you choose fidelity priority or frame priority. Everyone wins.
Yeah, it should. Just like it should have did the same with the vanilla versions of both of these systems. Or at least give the option. I don't know why all the hoopla now though only after the X comes out. I certainly don't remember seeing these kind of articles & topics here before when just the pro was on the market. Or when we dealt with 30 frames per second for whatever reason and excuses people made with the vanilla versions. Eh, it's whatever though. As I do agree. I just wish that people make their damn Minds up around here and have some consistency. As before it didn't matter what the frame rate was just as long as certain folks could brag about how many pixels were on the screen over any other another box. I've got used to the goalpost moving around here. Hell, it's to the point that they move so much that you had to automate the gotdamn things!
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... Resolution > framerate for most gamers.
No not really, call of duty proved this last gen. Many gamers blame a variable frame rate for stutter, this is actually a vsync issue that can be solved by turning vsync off (but then we get tearing). Hopefully freesync makes its way into TVs since the one x already supports it, we can the finally get rid of vsync and avoid tearing and stutter. Many games play at 30fps and are still great, but they would be so much better at 60 FPS.
What is that link supposed to prove?
100% agree. Just give us the option of 1080p 60fps (or 1440p 60fps if capable) along with the marketing maestro's 4K target. Doing nothing will only expand the PC gamer player base.
its not always possible, for example in games like fallout 4, wticher 3 etc the cpu in the consoles cant give us 60 fps at any resolution. May as well use the full power of the gpu in those games though, thats why we end up with 4k 30 fps or 1440p 30fps.
Yep, CPU's are limited this gen for 60fps open world games. Fallout 4 and witcher 3 PC 60fps is pretty epic at any res 1080p ultra and up. Still there are a few games that can manage it and do offer enhanced framerate at 1080p res. Would like to see better support for those options.
Higher resolution along with great graphics & 30 fps is fine by me.
Meanwhile PUBG on xbox looks like porridge. Its down to the loading time of the actual textures but still
stop using the same cpu i hope ps5 is $500 so we can get a really good cpu
Forza 7 at 4k and 60 on One X looks pretty fine to me
Yes. Problem is 9/10 games are not in 60 fps.
I want good, memorable experiences; not flashy eye candy. There's a problem when I can play 16-bit games over the latest-greatest.
Ps4 Pro should be 1080p/60 very high setting not 4k power house. X1X should have been TRUE next gen system with new Ryzen CPU. I'm not playing favorites. It just what i think.
Whatever the resolution is a game is ruined by poor frame rates. Silky smooth 30fps should be the very minimum in the entire game with 60fps the next targeted minimum on consoles. Also consoles need options like games do on pc. Options like fov slider, and options to disable unwanted stuff like motion blur and god rays.
why wasn't this said and drilled when ps4 had the power lead over the xbox one? seems rather hypocritical :-/
Nier: 60fps, low fidelity and beautiful Uncharted: 30fps, high fidelity and beautiful Beautiful games can be in any FPS confirmed.
I understand why, but I advocate a choice between graphical or frame rate like nioh on the ps4 pro.
Agreed. Having a choice is the way forward. 1080p 60fps for some, 4K 30fps for others. Flippin’ the switch at your own leisure would be ideal. Everyone wins.
It should be the Main thing to achieve a steady framerate on all games and consoles, not just the upgrades.
Not gonna happen in most cases. PC and console are very much the same and very different. PC gamers want eye candy but usually performance first while console gamers are usually about the eye candy. (Most developers are anyway)
I would be happy at 45fps and 1440p.
Yeah....no idea where the idea that FPS were to either 30 or 60 came from
I would prefer 15-25 fps like on pubg xbox one/x.
60 FPS games don't sell TVs. 4K + HDR do.
The thing here is in almost 2018 gamers should have more choice... Let us have an option to play 720 60 if we want!
1080p/60FPS > 4k/30FPS Or you know, maybe you could offer BOTH to the player.
depends on the game, but action games should be 60fps or at least have the option to run at 60. Nioh got it right
I would probably get a Pro if more games supported 60fps just at 1080p. I don't plan on getting a 4K projector for a long time still.
Driveclub proves that a great game is possible with 30 even in the fickle world of driving games. I'm NOT saying it wouldn't be better at 60 but would I have lost the fidelity and detail to make it 60...no...think it more than achieves what it plans to do as an arcade racer. Developers make a playoff and sometimes it works and sometimes it's a disaster. Balance - dependent on the type of game, what the target visuals and gameplay are. 60 Pong over 30 Pong may be better but I dont think I'd get hooked on it regardless these days (other than a little nostalgia!).
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