An exasperated Aaron Greenberg has flatly denied there are any plans to add Blu-ray to the Xbox platform. Seriously: it's not happening.
They have no reason to. They're beating Sony without a Blu-ray drive.
It would be nice if they added blue ray .. i love watching HD movies as much as i like playing games in HD i hate how they say that people don't want blue ray ..what do they know? I do! and i bet a lot of people too..and having the option just wouldn't hurt the xbox you know ..is better having more :S
Too bad it would be the only thing which could save the 360 right now for one year or two. MS simply doesn't have the games to compete anymore. You can't fight LBP and MGS4 with Too Human.
But it appears that certain fanboys want blu ray so much, that they will do anything to make these rumors appear. I mean, if you want it so much, go buy a PS3! Because 360 will never get it. Oh and have you heard about Walt Disneys most recent statement? He expects Blu Ray to take over DVD in North America in less than 2 years. "but, but, but...I thought blu ray sales are dismissal?" OWNED much? http://www.contentagenda.co...
Just because some CEO "predicts" Blu-ray will take over DVD in less than 2 years, doesn't mean it is going to happen. Remember, Iron Man is the best selling Blu-ray so far with 500,000 in one week. However, it also sold 7.2 million on DVD the same week. That is only 14%. It is better, but that was one title released to the demographic that owns the most Blu-ray players(PS3 owners that are guys 16-30). When Blu-ray disc sales are consistantly above 10% every week and growing, then we will see. Besides, if someone wants a Blu-ray player, why would they buy a PS3 at $399 when you can buy a new BD-350 for $279(on Amazon)?
You can bet that Greenberg will resign and quietly slink off when that Blu Ray 360 add-on arrives!
ummmmmm price cut helps yea?
You mean, they got their broke console out first with a bunch of hardware problems. They're not beating the PS3 outside of a timeline. 12
ok, we'll see about that once the 720 is announced. i'm sure MS would love to alienate all HD movie owners for another generation.
Why on earth would they NOT want to include a Blu-Ray drive? The 360 may have sold well to date, but it will dry-up after this christmas when the parents who bought 360s for their kids stop snapping up the latest price cut. The message is clear: If you are serious about HD gaming and movies then avoid the 360. Lack of a Blu Ray drive make phenomenons like MGS4 impossible for the 360. I feel Microsoft are really letting their dedicated fans down with this announcement. I'd never buy a console without a Blu-Ray drive again!
Space says otherwise Siligon. As games get bigger and bigger...I wonder how compression would play a role in a game on the 360? And Loyd, why would someone buy just a bluray player when they can get an entertainment system all in one?
Walt Disney speaks from the grave to support Blu - ray!!! -joking around
Nasim, how can Walt Disneys expect anything, he's dead and frozen like a slushi. 26 disagrees for Silogon even though what he said is 100% fact. Wait I should change that to 26 denials. You guys know that the 360 is millions ahead of the PS3 and climbing, infact it's outselling the PS3 all over the world. Over all when you combine services, console sales, game sales, game quality, and accessories... the 360 is market leader <--- yup yup MS has other plans for disc storage in future consoles, they don't need to ad a 5yr dying format when there is a grab bag of formats to choose from.
Silogon is correct. THe average consumer doesn't want an overpriced movie player.
because your story is rubbish ;)
Not rent it... And if you made an add-on, how would you be forcing it on consumers like Sony does? What happened to consumer choice? I chose Blu-Ray after HD-DVD died, and now i have to buy stand alone players... (Sad face)
I really feel they should have launched a Blu-Ray drive for the 360. It would mean everyone could enjoy HD movies and games. It's such a shame because I will NEVER pay money for a HD download. Ever. I like physical stuff. Microsoft is clearly missing out on an opportunity to make more money and bring the 360 closer to the PS3's abilities!
Its pretty obvious he hates the idea of relying on a sony product to help the 360. AND WHAT THE HECK DOES HE MEAN NO ONE WANTS BLU-RAY. As i recall iron man sold 500,000 in the first week on blu-ray. Greenberg just needs to stop acting like a kid.
He certainly dishes it out! But can he take it?
300% increase in the uk alone for bluray,with more stores giving space to it.ms caps games at 350mb for download lol and then says digital distrubution is the way,sony has no size capping for digital distrubution yet still offers the best hd format out there, ms has no hd format at all but still claims to be a hd console even when it sold a million paper weights in the form of hd dvd.greenberg either has is head up is ass or smokes some serious sh*t,no one ever seems to pull him up on this, why get in a format war if you thought it wasn,t needed,grill the f*cker don,t kiss is ass you would get alot more respect from the consumer, these sites always seem to wet there pants around these pr guys,f*ck the fat cheque you get start asking straight on questions to these companys
Why are so many Microsoft suits lately coming across as arrogant pricks with a "my way or the highway" badittude? Way to alienate potential new customers there Greenberg, basically saying that anyone who wants HD movies and massive storage space/ uncompressed sound for HD games right now and not 10 years from now via downloads is retarded. So digital downloads are the future, eh? Then why do XBoxes have MB caps for downloadable games? Why is the sky the limit on PS3 if they're so far behind you? Why does PS3 have Burnout Paradise on the PSN store yet Microsoft needed to make special arrangements to get Bionic Commando Rearmed downloadable on the 360? Why do you not allow user created content/mods when PS3 does? Why do you charge for themes when PSN doesn't and when users can create their own as well? Why do you charge for online yet still litter the XBox dashboard with advertising for Subway restaurants and other non-gaming related eye-litter? Why do PS3's all come with hard drives for DLC? Why did Peter Moore say they scrapped XBox version 1 because the hard drives were killing them? Why don't 360's all have hard drives if digital is the future when PS3 is already future proofed with swappable hardrives and BluRay for physical and digital media? What happened with XBox HD-DVD? If it would have beat BluRay (which was possible at one time) would you still be saying the same things today? Would you have thrown it away anyways and said FU to all the XBox owners who bought one already? My *ss you would. They say they don't wanna force people to buy things they don't need, so why do they force peeps to buy only one kind of overpriced Microsoft hard drive and only certain headsets? How come with PS3 peeps can buy any hard drive from any company, any headset and keyboard from any company including bluetooth and back up or import saves/photos/music/movies etc with any USB flashdrive? Why do you charge for online yet not have as many dedicated servers as PS3? This isn't about PS3 VS XBox, this is about some very stupid people behind the microphones who seem to re-write history by the week. The only thing keeping me from buying an XBox right now, the ONLY thing, is the more I read these articles the less I want to give people like that my money.
Bubbles for ya!
Applauds...well said, well said!!
Very well put. Funny world isn't it.
There's little doubt about that.
You make a very good point there, to be fair. That's the media for you.
blu-ray is not a necessity for gaming or movies....if it was you'd think sony would be blowing Microsoft out of the water...but there not
That's right. In fact, games could come on many more disks and HD films could come in 3-disk sets as standard. Games like MGS4 are perfectly possible on a DVD - you'd have to swap disks between acts but then you have to install between acts anyway. It could easily fit on 5 disks, 1 for each act. But then, you have to think, would a game like MGS4 be possible on CD? The answer is no. It would take upwards of 40 disks just to store the amount of content. The trouble is that whilst DVD offered 10x the storage of a CD, Blu-Ray only offers 6x the storage of a DVD. This will only prove significant when (and if) games this generation require multiple or (as yet unused) quad-layer Blu-Ray disks. We see with games like Fuel that a lot of the data can be "compressed" by using procedurally generated scenery. Compression algorithms are so good that, if you have an install or can decompress on-the-fly, you can save a lot of space with no significant performance or visual/audial hit. So games probably won't NEED more than 50Gbs of space this gen. And you can just about fit 50Gbs on 6 DVDs, which is still a viable option.
Music, Audio effects, Animation, Normal Maps, Scripting, and Polygon Models, be my guest. *rolls eyes* If procedural generation is the end all/be all, then why haven't 360 titles been able to catch up to PS3 titles? You say it yourself that storage capacity doesn't matter.
The only PS3 game thus far to require a dual-layer blu-ray has been MGS4. That may change soon but even still it's quite possible to fit that amount of content on multiple DVDs. I said that it would matter, but only when you require multiple blu-rays - only then does the number of DVDs required get silly. Procedural generation I was giving as an example of compression - it's quite easy to compress all the stuff you mentioned. And Fuel procedurally generates entire landscapes; whilst that's not going to be done in every game it's one way of compressing the data to easily fit on a DVD.
Yeah actually you're right. DVDs aren't necessary nor CDs. Lets go back to cartriges. No newer technology to expand things. Everything halt right here. (sarcasm) Who's with us? Raise your hand. Just a joke fellas don't flame me too hard. But I'm glad about Blu and soon I think it will be a necessity. Consoles using DVDs will hold it back though.
Has anybody wondered why nobody is going out and buying that console considering most people around the world are waiting for Sony to drop the price on there's so how are they beating the competition if there system is not selling like crazy and greenburg is all talk considering I've seen him say that Japanese developers are switching to PS3 to XBox 360 yeah right tell that to Kojima and Tecmo that is making an exclusive JRPG.
They need to have both a well-priced add-on for those who've already bought 360s, and include it within newer models for movie playback. Right now consumers are faced with buying an Xbox 360 for $399, or a PS3 that also plays Blu-ray for $399. There's a reason Sony's surpassed Microsoft so quickly.
what the? DJ... I guess you live in the matrix... are you saying that "There's a reason Sony's surpassed Microsoft so quickly."? I think I missed the news... when did the PS3 surpassed the xbox 360 installbase? Last time I checked the xbox 360 still have 2 times the installbase of the PS3 in the US... it even beat the PS3 in japan for a whole month... it triple sells in many regions... "it'll only hamper their sales even more." .... where have you being since the price drop? no sales hampering going on.... Microsoft does not and should not release a blu-ray drive on the xbox 360... it's completely useless for their strategy... if anything it can only hurt them. You see Sony makes money when blu-ray movies are sold.. which is why they are willing to lose money on hardware... hell they do not even have to pay royalties to make hardware... now, microsoft on the other hand does NOT make money on blu-ray movies... do NOT even make movies... have to pay royalties to Sony and the gang to make a drive... So, why should Microsoft help Sony by paying them royalties, encourage xbox 360 owners to buy blu-ray movies, and lose a ton of money on the hardware? That just does not make sense... not to mention that Sony would not give a microsoft a fair deal to license the drive... they would not allow the xbox 360 blu-ray to be priced lower than theirs... Here is what microsoft can do with the money they save by NOT making a blu-ray drive for the xbox 360: * Another price drop by the price it would cost them to make blu-ray drive. (if they would lose $100 in the blu-ray drive; drop the price of the core to $99.99 instead) * Buy more exclusive content or games from 3rd party. * Buy Game studios. * Drop the price of xbox live gold. * Bundle 5 games with each xbox 360. * Add a hard drive to the core. any of these alternatives would help microsoft more than making some blu-ray drive that would benefit Sony...
It's losing BADLY without a Blu-ray player.
I dig it. Blu-ray isn't going to help them move any more Xbox 360 units. I'm glad Greenberg just says what's on his mind.
microsoft is probably going to use a 100 gb disk in the next xbox so they will try to beat blu ray and blu ray will be around still because the ps3 will still be around
I see the topic should change "Greenberg hammers 360 owners...." !
Had they firmly believed in digital distribution, why did they release a HD DVD player add-on? HD DVD failed and they either don't want to bow to the winner of the HD format war or don't want Sony making money off the sales of a blu-ray add on. Widespread digital distribution for high definition content is not going to be common or mainstream any time soon for various reasons (which we can get into if someone likes, love a good debate), ESPECIALLY on a platform who's largest proprietary HDD is a miniscule 120 gigs.
Also sersiously owning a disc is alot better than owning a digital copy its not like u can just take that digital copy to a mates or gfs'house to watch em. Also theres internet issues, here in Australia its nowhere near the standard needed for dl HD movies. Then there is the HDD issue where you will have to get a new HDD once one fills up with the HD content. Its just such a hassel thats why discs are alot easier to use and at least with discs there isn't this DRM bs.
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