"Sometimes power is its own selling point" Polygon guns PS4 Pro in favour of the Xbox One X
Well I think so but that's compounded by the fact that Sony didn't go hard on this iteration of the hardware. Sony didn't need to, to be honest and MS being drastically on the backfoot felt compelled to. Do think the Pro support/ performance is wank compared to the X. The X is merking the Pro harder in many ways than many expected. Still, it's a very niche market and it won't change any tides.
It is Microsofts third iteration of a console this gen... they had no option. But any console looks good when it is just putting make up on an Xbox One game. It is basically a 360 from last gen.
Third iteration? Black Xbox One - Black PS4 Xbox One Slim - PS4 Slim Xbox One X - PS4 Pro
Would you also say the ps4 is a ps3 from last gen?
@rude... all that proves is like last gen Sony took something away from their revised system while Ms added some things in. Remember all the usb ports and the ps2 hardware and media reader of the ps3? the revised system comes out with no media reader, stripped out ps2 bc and fewer USB ports while the 360 went from bad cooling and design to internalized wifi, hdmi, better cooling and design. So while the ps4 slim removed the optical port, that still counts as removing something that was there in the initial system. The xbo added uhd drive, faster cpu / gpu and internalized power on top of reducing the size and db the system makes when running. Sony is a friggen hardware company and they got served by a friggen software company on how to release a slimmed down system after the initial release. They still got served by the same friggen software company on how to make a mid gen system that boarders on next gen level. The only thing that sony knows how to serve is consistent game releases. MS can suck a lemon for their decision making when it comes to releasing games on a regular basis.
@XMessiah23x They actually did. The PS4 Slim doesn't have an optical audio port. I don't use optical audio, though, so I don't really care. Also, the base PS4 didn't really have anything special that could be taken away, so I wouldn't commend them in any way. It didn't have backwards compatibility, it didn't have a bunch of USB ports, and it didn't have any type of card reader.
@darth just to be fair, those PS3 things were removed for the same reason MS removed the forced Kinect this generation. The one time Microsoft did downgrade their system to lower the price. No clue why Sony would remove an optical port, though.
@ Rude-ro ps4 pro is sony's 3rd iteration of the ps4 as well, so they're even
I think they are referring to the fact that the PS4 Slim is only different in how it looks. The xbox S I believe is a slightly better version of the OGxbone correct? So you could say the Pro is really only the second "iteration" of the PS4.
Hey, ThreeInch, It's sad clowns will agree with you just because they believe they are being supportive but saying that as a negative is pretty stupid. Every console generation has multiple versions of the hardware. The new iterations are how we get price cuts. The design matures, parts shrink and the box shrinks as well to cut cost. That expands the user base which increases the chance a game makes a profit. That gets a console exclusives and keeps developers in business. New iterations are at the heart of what makes gaming a viable business. But good luck with those brownie points anyway.
"won't change any tides." Did Microsoft really think it would catch up to Sony in sales and exclusive games and multiplatform games because of the One X?
I prefer the types of games on Playstation as a SP gamer but I have to agree this time. Support for the Pro was very weak. Where are all of the upgraded graphical features? A few games get a slight bump in resolution and that was it, big deal. I would have expected more upgraded frame rate and effects modes (at 1080p at least) as an option instead of resolution. I don't care about a slightly crisper edge here and there if the game is choppy or has soupy textures.
Power hardware by the Microsoft, no doubt. But the PlayStation does have more interesting games. It all comes down to that.
The X does exactly what it's supposed to do. I'd rather say, the Pro (as cheap as it is) gives it quite a run for the money.
Well, to be fair, when you don't have any exclusive games to deliver, you have to deliver a better console, performance and graphics. Why would people ever else feel the need to buy a new Xbox? The only boast-factor that I personally see with owning an X, is the simple fact that I would get to brag about owning the console with the best performance available on the market. But what games would I play that I can't play on my PC on equal settings? Sony wins anyway. I rather see the effort and extra cash go down on the games than the hardware. I would sacrifice graphics for good games and even if you did turn the tables, the Pro is cheaper than the X for a reason. If MS and Sony had released the Pro and X at the same time-period, you could bet your *** that they would be equal in performance and graphics, but that would've been a suicide mission from MS.
It's a mid gen. Mid implies half. Neither mid gen was really needed, and they both feel like a half step to the next gen because the support is lacking
In many ways like what as price quality and library of games all pretty big points they are getting smashed at. It’s more expensive sure it’s more powerful... to play 360 and OG Xbox games as the current Gen library for the system is lacking at best. 2018 doesn’t look much better either. Not to mention half the amount of users and that’s not gonna change.
Na, I think games are what gaming consoles are supposed to be about. otherwise anytime any idiot company comes up with a newer console we should all go buy that newer console because its bound to be more powerful. Stupid article really. I think the sales ratify that the majority of gamers agree.
Dat article title tho... Daumn.
Can't wait to see what X.B.O.X versions of Spiderman and Detroit: Becoming Human will look like...
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that's actually kinda creative. You should pitch that to MS
Borrowed from another poster, hope it catches on though
You do realize that the so called "beast" is still running on a jaguar the same CPU that's in both ps4 and xbox, right? Both can hardly display later (not latest) games in native 4K. Even x can barely keep up displaying older games in 4K and a lot of games need to resort to checkerboard and toggling between different resolutions. It's not "true uncompromised 4K" like your lord phil as claimed. Only PC can claim that and with the news of the latest processor on the horizon, the gap between PC and console will be even wider in the future. And where's the promise that x games will be in 4K? It's all smoke and mirrors from m$ just like all the secret secret sauces. X is just another fallacy.....lol! Before you mention forza, making a 4K racing game with baked lighting, oversaturated cartoonish colors, cut-out cardboard audiences and invisible pit-stop crews is an embarrassment to say the least. The intro. showcases such impressive pit-stop activities but the actual gameplay actually has no pit stop animation at all. All smoke and mirrors again. Forza 7 is a joke compared to GT Sport as the sales no. will show. Only fanbois buy it. This gen belongs ps4 and switch. If Sony announces the figures of ps4 nos. outside of us, Next gen, ps5 may break into China and we may see tenfolds of what this gen's no. is. The ps5 no. will be shocking, literally, earth-shaking. I can't wait for next gen.
Nooo i never thought that Kribwalker would be positive over another XboxOneX news, no way!!!😇
i never expected an army of sony fans to barrage any positive MS article, yet again, here we are 😉
PS4 Pro was sadly just a mistake. Everything is half baked.. The 4k isn't 4k. The VR is the worst out there. I don't know what Sony was thinking.
Weird, most consumers this holiday seem to disagree with you.
The same people who lines up to get the new Justin Bieber albums so that's saying much
Yep! All I saw shopping last weekend was mostly folks buying a PS4 slim.
Sony is actually making money on VR.
no they are not, there is a million sold and how much money was invested. they where giving the psvr away this holiday. its a loss
@bolimekurac show me some numbers and not your dumb opinion.
@mega the last numbers revealed were in june where it hit 1 million after hitting 915,000 by february (85,000 units in 4th months) I’m sure it has moved a bunch of units now that sony has bundled big games and cut the price in half, but thats to be expected when no one was buying it at full price
weird, how come I never heard you say that for the actual long-running half-baked mistake, OG Xbox One.. and S? with the way Pro felt like a 'mistake' to you, surely that thing is a trash beyond all trash in comparison?
Think he meant that it was a sad mistake he never got a pro or ps4 at that.
They weren’t thinking about desperately winning internet resolution wars that’s for sure. When they have their base product outselling the competition by a huge marging, they don’t have to rush to next gen. The PS4 may be underpowered in comparisson, but they got the games and the talent to make it shine more than the XboxX would hope by just bumping textures of old games. And PSVR the worst? Based on what? It is outselling the rest and it is actually making money to Sony, So that is what they were thinking. Too hard for you to grasp?
Interestingly, Pro titles run usually more stable than X implementations. Only when those get dialed down they deliver the same. Sure more potential on X, which it should be of course. Being more expensive and more powerful. But performance fluctuates when they push the hw in most cases. When they don't, we get the expected delta to the pro. Really no surprise there. I have never seen any of those issues on the pro, though
4K isn't 4K on X1X either the same way.
Tbh, any sane person would know that if you want a good VR experience which showcases what it can do, would go straight to the PC. PSVR, was always entry level. Your own expectations let you down.
The VR is so bad, that it's the only solution to get if you are a couch potato and is enjoyed by millions. The 4k does just fine despite the idiots here trying to lowball it. It's not a native 4k console by any stretch but 1440p is quite a baseline and what it pulls off in some games with a full 4k res is simply phenomenal. HZD with full 4kCB vs QB at 1440p. Now let's talk about that. One is an open world with rock steady 30fps the other isn't
If the 4K on Pro isn’t 4K, then neither is X. Xbox fans suddenly love to reference DF, despite calling them biased for PS4 for the last 4 years, but they clearly ignore what they’re saying. The vast majority of those “superior multiplats” aren’t even native 4K on X, and the few that are have serious performance issues.
Eh, better to make a mistake (which, btw, the Pro isn't) four years into a generation that's winding down, than to make a mistake from the onset and try to gain ground 4 years later.
If all you want is power then go build a PC. Everything you can get on the XB is available for PC too.
And that is exactly what i did. I didn't plan to ditch my Xbox, but once i built my pc, i just stopped using it. Also, if console gamers cared so much about power, then the PS2 would have been destroyed, but that isn't what happened. The games are what make a console great, not flashy graphics. It's nice to have it, but it's not the reason why most console gamers buy their consoles.
But most don't do that, which explains why PC games like Fallout and Call or Duty sell so well on consoles.
Nah we PC gamers rather play better games such as this one https://gamerant.com/rise-o...
it is hard to build a $500 pc equivalent to xbox one x. but xbox fans are so delusional that they think even a $1000 pc can't beat xbox one x. they think that they are the first ones to experience 4k gaming.
You see, that’s the thing. Not everyone want to build a pc. Not everyone are willing to go through stuff like messing with the driver and the graphic options just to get a respectable framerate. Sure, that is not dififcult to do, but some people just want to turn on the console and play game immediately, without the hassles come from starting up and using Windows. And alot of games aren’t optimized well on PC. Plus, it is more convenient to have a console in places like living room. You don’t need a mouse or keyboard to navigate through the system.
This is wrong. You still can't play Halo 5 on a PC. Not sure why everyone continues to claim all Xbox games are available on PC. It's just not true.
True, the pro has no real purpose. It's barely an upgrade over the PS4. Is going from 1080p to 1440p worth $400? I think not. So many games only see res upgrade and that's it. Same textures/graphics and all. I think pro was released for one reason. To improve VR to a playable level.
its not $400 more than a regular ps4, most people would have sold or traded their old system for around $200. Going to 1440p and more stable performance from 1080p is worth $200.
I can vouch for 1440 looking considerably better than 1080 on a big 4k screen, so it's not like there's NO purpose. If you're buying new, is it worth about $150 to go up from 1080 to 1400. it would be to me. would it be worth another $100 to go up to, say 1800 - 2300? it would be to me. but people have choices, and that's good. it's not like the xb1x and the ps4 pro are the same price and came out at the same time or anything... choice is good
It’s proven in numbers and through YouTube videos that most of the games look visually better on Xbox One X than on the PS4 Pro. That is a fact. However, it is also a fact that Xbox One X does not run all of its games on native 4K. The machine uses the same checkerboard rendering technique as what is seen on the PS4 Pro – which makes Xbox One X incapable of running most third-party titles like Destiny 2 and Assassin’s Creed Origins at native 4K.
and thats fine really, its able to hit quite high resolutions while being compatible with 4k tvs that don't accept anything in between 1080 and 4k for the most part. This is a huge benefit over pc where most games will have to either be played at 1080p or 4k with no in between on tvs, which means many gamers will just be stuck at 1080p on pc when playing on their 4k tv if they want a playable frame rate.
I think you might be misinformed. TVs support multiple resolutions from PCs...You can absolutely play 1440p content from a PC on a 4K display. In much the same way I can play games at 720p/1366x768/1600x900 and so on on my 1080p TV and projector. Most TVs and receivers these days have scalers built into them, so any content less than native resolution is scaled up. Older TV's used to do poorly at upscaling things from any resolution between half their native resolution and full native resolution, but that mostly isn't an issue these days. On top of that, big titles are starting to even include resolution scaling at an engine level so you can choose what to render the game's internal resolution at, even if your system resolution is set higher.
It's proven with in-depth analysis by experts. True. The average person won't see a difference.
Destiny 2 isn't the best example, as Bungie have actually said it will be native 4k on the X
Oh, it's Polygon. Frankly, they both feel like half measures, but they're just consoles, and they have to maintain a price point to achieve mainstream appeal, so this is to be expected. The real strength of consoles is the great games you can play exclusively on those consoles, and nothing wrong with an extra option to play them on. This whole argument is just stupid. Is a GTX 1050 a "half measure" compared to a GTX 1050ti? Like the X and Pro, there are marginal differences in certain areas (though neither really address frame rate, unfortunately), but they're both very capable, and what's wrong with more choices? Furthermore, they're different prices, and came out a year apart. I don't hold Polygon to a very high standard, but this is very amateurish.
I think the x is a great and a worthy upgrade from a standard xbox or ps4. But if you own the pro it is less clear. It is more powerful and games do look better. But the cost to buy it if you have the pro is probably not worth it. Playing shadow of war occassionaly i stop and look at the textures or effects and admire the graphics. But 98 % of the time i just play the game.
it doesnt really, but it is more powerful/ more expensive.
6tf vs 4.2 Better efficency and higher memory bus speed, plus more ram. PS4pro is a butterfly. 1.8tf + 1.8tf mirrored with 2.1ghz upclock cpu.
Theoretical max performance is nice and all, but you are really oversimplifying things by not looking at the whole picture and real world performance.
Doesn't matter if it had 20tf! You can't pay a power with an controller. Where the games at? where is thetimed exclusive content? where is the support MS promised you guys? What has Phil did in the last 3-4 years????? 4K doesn't mean crap without any games and I mean highly rated games, not PUBG, Hello Neighbor or some other sh!tty PC games.
Lets back this up. I'm no Ms fan. But that is the specs of the PS4pro as stated by Mark cerny. STANDARD PS4 GAMES WILL PLAY JUST THE SAME UNLESS DEVS PATCH THEM For the more than 700 or so existing PS4 games, Cerny said the goal was to ensure those titles played smoothly no matter what. That’s why the Pro incorporates an identical GPU. Because the new console has "the old GPU next to a mirror version of itself," Sony can support existing games with a simple trick: "We just turn off the second GPU," he said. Developers can patch these titles to boost graphics and performance in very subtle ways. But unless you have a 4K television, the difference will not be substantial. https://www.theverge.com/20...
@windblowsagain: Someone is forgetting about boost mode that unlocks both GPUs for non-patched games.
Back and forth back and forth... I'm so sick of these articles, can't we just enjoy both systems and get along? I can't be the only one sick these fanboy wars. Can we just meet in the middle?
Totally agree. I don't understand why gamers hate some consoles, it just doesn't make sense to me. I have owned consoles from Sega, Nintendo, Commodore, Sony, Microsoft, and they have all given me great memories over the years. People that stick to one company and constantly criticise the others are weird to me.