The P2 team chats about the sticky issue of GOTY awards and early access/unfinished games.
Agree. Only finished released games. Treating early access as if it were a finished product is only going to encourage more devs to leave games unfinished. Look how long DayZ has been in early access. As highly regarded as PUBG is right now, even Brendan Greene, to his credit, felt like PUBG should not receive the award.
If it’s good enough to be nominated stop being a console fanboy. There is no logical argument against an early access game being nominated, assuming people actually like the game.
Actually there's no sound argument to make it able to be nominated. It's an unfinished game.mesning they are going to change it. Stuff that's in it now may not be in it in the future, and stuff that isn't in it now may pop up later. Simplest term, your reward a company for not finishing their job. How Crazy does that sound? I guess I could have given the award for best gift to my friend who gave me a piece of paper if only he said one day it would be a house
Online games always change, and if the game was just a drawing and not enjoyed by millions at a time it wouldn’t be in the discussion. You are just salty.
you dont really have an argument other than console fanboy aye? im sorry this buggy mess of a game cant be regarded as a finished product. as far as real quality is concerned, this game is like a screwless airplane. you can go back to playing your half-a-game now.
We have people considering the game for GOTY and are going to make their decisions before the game officially releases(Like The Game Awards), what if for some reason the game ends up getting pushed back a few weeks? Then we have a game that's either won GOTY or received a nominee for it in 2017 and didn't even release that year, should it then be acceptable for it to get nominated again in 2018? It leaves room for error and there has to be a line drawn somewhere. It seems stupid to me and I'm an Xbox fan that's looking forward to the game.
why would a beta, alpha etc be a game of the year contender? That makes absolutely no sense. Whether a game changes or not. You need a full release product to judge with. Early access games can take a complete left at anytime.
The game needs to be finished. The problem with early access is the game is still in development and can change a lot. The game journalists should not encourage game developers by giving awards to games still in development which will lead to many more games in development limbo
if the game is already one of the best games of the year that should end the discussion, how is that so hard for you guys to accept? If its too unfinished and in rough shape it wouldnt be considered. I doubt any of you have actually played it, just salty console fans. I know people disagreeing are console fanboys, they are the ones buying unfinished games that are never ever finished (or changed) and instead have paid dlc and sequels every year while pc gamers enjoy games with ongoing support. PC also has the benefit of letting people release nearly anything they want and calling it a beta, early access or whatever they feel like... on console they just release the game.
Agreed! What most people fail to understand, is the difference between a great game, and a popular one. PUBG is a lot of fun, but nowhere near polished enough to be considered great on any front. A great game consists of various metrics working together (i.e. design, gameplay, sound, story etc.), which warrants a GOTY nomination.
How did SF5 win fighting game of the year last year then? because it was essentially an early access game
No. Until the game is finished it shouldn't be eligible for awards. As fun as PUBG is, it's FAR from a stable or polished experience. Numerous bugs, performance issues, graphical glitches, etc. The PUBG devs have certainly not earned a GOTY nomination. Some people have made the argument that because the 1.0 update is coming soon, it's fair game for awards. I disagree. A) the update isn't out, so we don't know if it will actually fix the game. B) the update won't be out until *after* the awards show. And C) that release date is only for the test/beta server. The nomination could have gone to many games that are far more deserving of it. Nier, Wolfenstein II, Divinity II, and even Mario + Rabbids would be much better choices. But PUBG is extremely popular with the streaming community, and will bring in boatloads of viewers for the awards. Which is exactly why it's been given the nomination in the first place.
No. Finished products only.
That’s a No to be honest. Only finished product.
No, that should never be a thing
Meh, I'm going to agree with the guy who said it's all subjective. I suppose the better question is -who really cares about protecting the integrity of made up awards? Plus, if the same product was simply listed in a different section of the Steam store, would it suddenly qualify for these awards? It still runs better than many full releases as it is. Millions of people are putting hundreds of hours into this game. To them, I'm sure it's their GOTY. I've played all of the GOTY contenders this year. I enjoyed them all. That's what matters to me. I couldn't care less about the arbitrary nomination rules some people just now decided should be applied.
You're rewarding a company for not finishing their job. The companies employee can now put on their resume that they are given an award for not finishing a product. Just postpone the nomination until it's released officially. Aka FINISHED
Resumes? That's the concern? They could also write: "my last game sold 20 million copies." So, I think their resumes are just fine with or without a silly award. Pretty sure the revenue from those sales is already a good reward, too. It's available to play right now, people are playing it, and some feel it's the best game they've played all year. So why do you care if it gets an award? What's it say about all the "FINISHED" games that weren't nominated? The experience as it stands right now has garnered high praise. Period. Quit acting like the sanctity of game awards needs defended.
hmmm how about submiting half a painting into a contest? as long as ppl enjoy it aye? get outta here with that self centered logic. same goes for you shotty.
If my half a painting is better than your completed painting, then you don't deserve to win the contest.
My personal feeling is, if it is good enough to deserve it, it is good enough to win it. But I think that it should discount the game next year when it gets full release.
Yeah, generally a publication will only give a GOTY award for a title once. It's up to the publication to decide when a game is allegeable, obviously.
I am kind of on the maybe side of things. Especially these days when so many "full" release games are released unfinished. The only difference with PUBG is at least they are honest about it not being finished.
IMO They shouldn't even be in any award shows category. But considering half of those shows are mostly based on popularity, i'm not remotely surprised it ended up in GOTY category.
if anything, they should be making a early access/ in development preview section to highlight games that are in beta phases and still being worked on
I agree, that would be a more viable option.
I'm not sure they necessarily have to be disqualified, they're never good enough in early access to be actual contenders to begin with. PUBG is there because it's youtube popular, not because it's worth of GOTY.
PUBG wins my game of the year. I have 318 hours on it so far. By far the game I've played most this year and had the most fun playing. An incredible experience.
I use to see people do the exact same game mode years ago on Minecraft and they called it hunger games, games fun but let's nothing amazing imo
Definitely should be a game of the year contender. If people have been playing it all year, loving it all year, having a fantastic time with it all year, how could it not be game of the year?? Definitely yes. - BUT - If it is a game of the year contender in Early Access, it CANNOT be in the list again when it releases or any other year. It only gets one.
That right there is the problem with videogame awards is based on game popularity not based on providing innovation, the best visuals, the best gameplay or innovative gameplay mechanics, the best story and sound. ..
Yeah I guess everyone really has a different definition of what "Game of the Year" means and that could lead to many different opinions. I guess they would have to define what they mean by it. For me it would be the game I played the most and enjoyed the most out of the year but then that would be different for everyone.
Yes. Minecraft. PUBG is great, most people who say they don't like it haven't actually played it. If it's a better game, it's a better game.
Unfinished = undeserving.
No, its not a complete game and doesnt represent the final product
What the hell are you talking about? Aside from performance issues and bugs PUBG is in essentially a near final release.
are they adding things...yes, its not complete, i didnt say it would get worse or better i said its not the final product, which it....isnt, and therefore doesnt deserve to be nominated as game of the year
Then I guess based on your definition no game is final if they add content or fix bugs.
Or not many of your Xbox One Exclusive Games didn’t have GOTY material. That’s why you people choose PUGB because it’s coming to Xbox One.
Still in early access, is like rewarding The Forest for best survival horror
@ 343_Guilty_Spark3, Incorrect, paid DLC is added to a (complete) game, and a complete game shouldnt have bugs and the bugs should be fixed
Yes! It’s in a highly playable state and millions are enjoying it.
Not since the anti cheat update that dropped
Steam usage says other wise
They're all made up who cares. What game is every truly "done" anyways? Most still have tons of issues after patching is over and done with. PUBG, finished or not, has more players than any other game ever and has provided days worth of play time for a shit ton of people. Done or not, PUBG is an accomplishment and should be awarded. What happens in the future who is to say but that could be said of most/all massive online multiplayer games.
What game is every truly "done" anyways? - The ones where the publisher announces that the game is complete, indicating the consumer can expect a degree of quality assurance that comes with a list of legal protections, rather than the usual statement that goes something like...."This game is a work in progress. It may or may not change over time ((or release as a final product)). Purchase only if you are comfortable with the current state of the unfinished game"...ie. we may finish it we may not you are warned and can enjoy a big theres the door if you dont like it.
No. Honestly PUBG being a contender for GoTY just seems insulting to the rest of the competition. The game is in early access, poorly optimized, and a lot of bugs. Yeah it's fun and sold a lot but I don't think that alone deserves consideration for GoTY. Not to mention there are a lot of other amazing titles that many others would consider GoTY but they don't even have any nomination in any category. They should have created a separate category for early access games.
My thoughts exactly. To rub salt on that, it's a multiplayer only game. 10 years time you can bet the game will be dead or in a completely different state.
It's a good questions...considering that most games are unfinished these days anyway...
Of course not.
No because many are never finished so when they are that's the year they should be up for contention on any awards Early access is basically playing paid beta and you are paying the developers and doing their job
That is exactly right.
If you can pay money for a game and play it right now, the game is "out" in every way that really matters. For a game that's consistently one of the most played titles in the entire world, whether it's "finished" or not isn't a very important discussion.
Sorry man I disagree. 5 years ago you would have had to sign up for a chance to be a beta tester, now as long as you have the cash you can do the testing for a company. ITS NOT A FINISHED GAME. It hasn't gone gold and isn't recognized as a finished product
People are playing it.
I would say no, but I do believe PUBG is expected to release the full version for PC in December so given that happens then yes this would be a contender.
Then only went it's released should it get nominated for awards. It's not in the finished state yet, no matter when the release date might happen.
Except the award show happens before it's officially released (2018) and the cut off period is November 24th
Awards are great for the people that worked hard on the game, but it doesn't affect me. I play what I like.
First skinny jeans are considered mens wear now unfinished games are considered for GOTY...Boy oh boy...
Its funny how a early access game is the best game of this generation
There are much better games than Pubg. Solitaire is one of them. There aren't any hackers and cheaters, consistent frame rate and is a finished game.
There also aren't 2.8 million concurrent players 9 months after release. It also isnt the biggest game that was ever released on Steam.