USGamer: "Single-player games are pivoting to Destiny clones or open-world games, but I miss the more refined, simpler days."
No EA screw U people. But good bye Viseral sad days.
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Yea, it is really sad to see Visceral go and EA adds another notch against them. Can't stand that company more and more. So glad I do not support their games.
Sadly, nothing will change because as a business, EA are doing great. They won't give a damn about us moaning or how people view them because they are making money. The only way this company will change is if people stop buying their games, but most gamers won't do that. Gamers will bitch and moan but that won't stop them buying EA's games. This cycle will continue because gamers let it.
Because idiots keep buying shitty games like Destiny
But... you bought the collectors edition :p
I learnt my lesson That’s why I’ve been against the second I learn...people don’t
You have to admit there is something comical about people buying into the same snake oil marketing all over again. I bet a large percentage are the exact same people that complained about the first game aswell
Oh really Foxtrot? You are the smartest person on the planet huh? What is it with people today thinking that they are so above everyone else? How about people who purchased Destiny 2 actually LIKED Destiny 1 and like Destiny 2 as well. Oh but that's impossible because if you deem a game to be bad than it is bad and others opinions don't matter at all. This has nothing to do with Destiny what so ever. This article is moronic. There were microtransactions and DLC before Destiny. Destiny is an awesome coop game to play with friends.
@AnubisG I'm sorry but if I can learn from developers past shit and my own mistakes which results in me, as a gamer, not adding to the awful shit this industry is doing, continuing the endless cycle then yeah...I like to think I'm smarter then most who keep going "I can't believe I bought into the developers lies. I will not be buying the-OOOOOO THE SEQUEL HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED and they pinky promised to correct the wrongs? WELL IF THEY SAY SO...PREORDER" Your comment is pretty hilarious though, you are having a go at me for thinking i'm "smarter" and "above everyone" yet here you are point blank calling the article "moronic" just because you don't agree.
I only wrote what I did because you said: "I learn...people don't" Now what does that say if not that you are smarter than everyone else? As for me calling this article moronic; yes I did. I'm calling the article that not the author nor do I call everyone that unlike you when you suggested that you are able to learn while others can't learn.
Destiny is hardly a shitty game. Best coop shooter out by a large margin.
Better than Borderlands? idk about that. Borderlands basically made that formula so popular.
@NordKevRain: Yes, better than Borderlands. And in my opinion by a large margin. I usually put about 100 hours into Borderlands games "which I love" but I typically put over a 1000 hours into Destiny games. The raids especially are better than anything in Borderlands. And in Destiny 2, I would even argue that the characters rival Borderlands, Fail Safe is up there with the best of them.
I disagree, Warframe is better imo. The only thing I think Destiny does better are the raids.
@Foxtrot Your argument is flawed because you're assuming that people don't have bad taste in games. IMO I don't like games like Destiny because they offer very little content and leave the player to bring the fun to the game by interacting with their friends online. For better or worse that is what Destiny is a good shooter with bare bones content many of these players only play this game that is why they don't care about storylines, offline replay ability or depth. Much like the only Madden gamers or only NBA2K players or only Racing sim players.
The problem is.... F Destiny, F Bungie and their BS but.... Destiny is still a solid and fun game at it's core. Here's the catch though, we've been burned time and time again and soon people will stop supporting it. I bought 2 hoping for the best but now I'm done. After being hosed again, after the boneheaded changes Bungie made, after receiving another Vanilla game... I don't care what changes they make. This half arse retail release chopped to the bare bones, idiotic changes and things Bungie does, the lack of content out of the box and from DLC to DLC or fact that the game needs new DLC every 3 months, etc. Personally I have nothing wrong with the model. I think it's a great model both financially and for gamers. However, in using the strategy developers need to release a robust, content filled game out the box. Not this chopped and cut bare bones crap. Look at it like a MMO. Release a robust, very fulfilling game then role out the Updates regularly with a new Expansion every so often. Having said that I'm still very a much a single player, campaign driven gamer. There's room for all types of games and this push to be like Destiny will only hurt gaming in limiting in what we have to play. Not everything needs to or should be based off this model. I'm looking forward to Anthem but should they pull the crap Bungie has I will hold my breath on any games in the future until the word is out exactly how much content is here to be played.
Well, Destiny is not shitty. However, I don't think every game needs to emulate the Destiny model. I enjoy Destiny but I surely also enjoy great single player games. I expect Wolfenstein NC could be good as well as God of War. and others. The issue here is not Destiny, it is that EA feels to create everything in that image. They already have Anthem in dev. Now they have to make all Star Wars titles the same? EA really has a terrible impact on gaming.
Its only gonna get worse with more studios shutting down as publishers push more towards a games as a service model. I read a comment somewhere where someone made an interesting point saying with most AAA adopting this model most gamers are gonna choose maybe 3 games and support that for a long time what will happen to the others that nobody plays which would lead to my original point of losing more studios and shrinking the innovation in this industry AAA to zero.
Hopefully creative people like Amy Hennig will manage to leave the sinking ship before it's too late.
They terminate their contracts. They don't actually execute any of the people.
Cliffy B was saying the same thing about 5 years ago and yet a game that released the exact same day as his newest flop was an epic single player experience with ZERO added online transactions that was the highest selling game for the month of August. I am talking about Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice of course. So it isn't all glum.
The CONSOLE GAMING industry isn't shifting towards online multiplayer. It's just that a few AAA development houses are attempting to emulate the success of games like DOTA and League of Legends and bring that business model to consoles. Unfortunately, consoles have a limited life-cycle and any online multiplayer/GAAS games on consoles will also have a limited life-cycle. This limitation does not apply to PC.
Well hopefully BC will be a "must" for all consoles going forward. I'd love to be able to fire up my current copy of Overwatch on a launch PS5 in a few years time, without having to rebuy the game, that will go along way to keep games alive on console.
The Destiny model? what 5 weeks playing Destiny 2 and the game is now nearly dead due to a serious level of lack of content. I genuinely feel ripped off.
I'd personally recommend Warframe for that type of game, completely free and you don't have to spend any money at all if you don't want to.
As fun as it was, D2 really died off quick.
I remember D1 having similar issues when it came out. Why another company would look at this as a good model is beyond me. I can only guess they their looking at the $$$ of having games as a service and trying to force everyone into that model. If you take away all other options, then people will have to play it. Thank god for indies.
I'm not that fussed if Devs want to try their hand at the model. I have nothing against Anthem. But to take an in development game that we know was an action adventure narrative driven game and gut it to be a GAAS is very upsetting.
there isnt many single player games that will last you 5 solid weeks, destiny is more a co op game with some mmo lite elements.
First of all it is not nearly dead. And 5 weeks is a long time. Most Single Player games I have trouble getting 1 week out of them.
It's comments like this that got us into this mess. Games are taking longer to develop and fulfill the enormous expectations gamers have today. When marketing and analysis teams read these comments or get this feedback from focus groups about a lack of content it only fuels the fire that a focus single player game will not be received well by the general gaming populace. I have been saying that the rise of DLC has been detrimental to the evolution of gaming for years. People don't want to spend $60 on a game they know they can beat in 6-10 hours or lasts a mere 5 weeks as you say and have nothing more to do. So we get DLC season passes or design changes to make sure they get the money up front and turn the game into a "service". So many fail to realize that just two generations ago we purchased $50 games that had ZERO online features and could be completed in 6-10 hours and no one bitched and moaned about a lack of content. Hell, if you showcased a game like Destiny on PS2, gamers would have lost their minds. The current market and gamer mentality has driven this change to games as a service.
. Nier: Automata, an excellent narrative driven action game, even had an open world that was incredibly lackluster. There were tedious side missions to do, mostly resulting in additional flavor text for its world Guess Nier Automata was too complex for you to understand and appreciate
A-Are you praising Nier: Automata, or are you bashing it? I honestly can't tell.
Not a fan of single players but I can totally understand there needs to be a balance.
as quickly this destiny esque model is plaguing the industry i can only hope visceral's staff gets acquired by sony and make an exclusive dead space 2 type of game because as of now they are the only publisher i could think of that would not tarnish a good high budget story driven linear experience for this kind of destiny kind of bull crap in every game!
Just another day in EA-land!
all that is left for me in this industry are sony and nintendo first party games
I hate the video game industry so much right now.
Dammit.. I loved Visceral.. this really brings my piss to a boil >:(
Always treasure the dead space because t looks like it's not coming back ever
I loved Dead space. The atmosphere is creepy and full of surprises. I wish Visceral games the best. I hope that this isn't the direction they are going. People still want good single player campaigns. I will always choose a good narrative-driven adventure game over some XP boosts, loot boxes and killstreaks.
EA use to be king now they suck now... What is even left at EA? Sport games and DICE games? Anthem better be a big hit or I don't see a bright future for Bioware. Bioware is next in line to be axed.
We are the ones getting screwed here. I am now waiting on Battlefront 2. I want to really see what is beneath the covers, and how it reviews. I am sorry but EA is just whoring this license out now. Single player is dead - but but Horizon sells 3.4+m copies. Imagine a 3rd person STORY driven game for Star Wars? It would sell massively. STORY is what drives Star Wars. This proves that the empty suits running EA have absolutely no understanding of this, OR of what the gamers want. I for one appreciate and gravitate towards compelling sotry driven SP games.
I'd imagine they prefer multiplayer due to it generally having more longevity, which in turn they can use to squeeze out more cash from people through MTs over a longer span of time, all on top of the original $65 price tag.
Horizon is a sandbox game with DLC. So it follows the Destiny Model to a point.
Horizon Zero Dawn is a full game not an empty, barren, bare bones game. Frozen Wilds is an expansion DLC and has absolutely nothing to do with microtransactions.
@IGiveHugs: read the article, they say the Sandbox games are taking over traditional Single Player games. It isn't just about Microtransaction but games that players live in and will buy future content. Including DLC. Destiny originally had 0 MT's it was just DLC like Horizon.
Not only am I ignoring this Destiny ripoff (as I ignore Destiny) I will be getting Battlefront 2 preowned as to prevent most of the money from going to these idiots.
Your really showing them there. If you are going to boycott then commit to it, none of this "I'm buying used" b.s cause your still supporting them.
It's the only thing I can do. I like Star Wars.
If he buys used then EA get nothing and the retailer gets everything.
Another victim of "games as a service model" and Ea insatiable greed!
Dead space was on to something good but dropped the ball by the third part. So visceral has some blame for its failures.
EA is the serial killer of gaming.
GAAS works for some stuff but not all stuff they should have left this as an Uncharted Star WARS. I personally like Destiny if it's not for you then great don't play but don't blame it for everything bad in the gaming industry most of you were hating on Destiny before MT so lets not act like that is why you hate Destiny. If companies are trying to copy Destiny that is not Bungie fault they were trying something new at the beginning of a new console generation which was what everyone was asking for.
EA being EA the body count continues.
I still think that some of the best and most interesting games this generation all have had strong single player experiences... Uncharted 4, Wolfenstein games, Witcher III, Forza Horizon, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc. I really think that we are on a pendulum.... Gaming started with just SP experiences... Then online came and publishers see this as a way to guarantee people pay for their games... There will be a swing back where SP is equal in games again. In the meantime people have to support SP games!
Everything at one point was considered not good if it wasn't open world minus a few gems. I love both types but I never felt every game needed to be open world .
F#4k the Destiny model. I skipped the first, and will absolutely be skipping the second one. NOT INTERESTED.
Sorry, I'm a single player gamer. Never played Destiny, and have no desire to. But games like TLOU Part II, Cyberpunk 2077, Red Dead Redemption II, Spider-Man, Days Gone, God of War, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Wild, Ni No Kuni II, etc. etc. etc. have all my attention. Fluck EA, and any developer taking the low road of dumbing down gaming.
Visceral's last two games were a army of two sequel and battlefield hardline. Two meh games. EA wasn't making another dead space so I don't think it was a huge loss. At least the people are being sent to other studios and not straight up laid off. Maybe Amy henning was demanding naughty dog level quality and they couldn't handle it...
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