A petition calling for gambling laws to be adapted to include video games with gambling mechanics has passed the 10k signatures needed to warrant a response from the UK government.
It's seem MT in AAA Games are extreme case.
Let's sign it bros
Please do, but you need to be UK citizen. Currently running @ 13,700 approx, as of my post. We need 100,000 for issue to be debated in parliament.
How do you sign . UK born and bred 😁
Check out what Activision are about to implement in CoD WW2... For those who could not be asked to check it out, basically in CoD WW2 the matchmaking is going to be set where the high skilled players (or players with DLC guns and in game items) are going to play the low skilled players, simply to try and force the low skilled players to buy MTs and DLC guns and in game items to 'match up' to the high skilled players.
Your have no proof they are doing that. They've denied it. They certainly explored doing it which is troubling.
WOW. PAY TO WIN. Slay those that don't want to doll out cash to play.
Can you provide a source for that ? Or did you make an extrapolation from that other article ? because as far as I know it didn't say anything about COD specifically. It was all general case examples.
@yonfweeeee yeah cause devs and publishers are always honest right? No they lie, flat out lie to your face all the time. It wouldnt surprise me if we see people start digging to find this stuff server side and its actually there.
Read they had considered it, but they have denied using it, haven't they? Anyway, not sure how well that would work. Don't think either participant would like that arrangement much. Whole idea of match making is to play with others at, or around your own level, isn't it?
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MTs in 60 dollar game bans plz
Nah, label all games with microtransactions, even "free" games as gambling and force them to be rated AO regardless of the rest of the content. If they want to make it so their games can't be sold in retail stores let them suffer.
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Nows the time to drop the ban hammer
The ban hammer on microtransactions was long overdue.
I've signed, the count is at 13,538 seems like it's rocketing. Put it everywhere you can ie your activity feeds, Facebook everywhere it can be seen by gamers. Everyone should be getting petitions done in there country a worldwide response will show publishers and developers we mean business and ain't going to take it. Together no matter the platform we are on we can be United in this.. Thank you to the article writer for putting this on here, please spread this like a virus peeps.
I'm all for ending microtransactions but this doesn't help at all. People need to speak with their wallets. If loot boxes were ever to disappear, there will be another way to con the casuals. And, considering that this is for UK Law, it means UK gamers will get gimped versions of games that possibly don't offer everything NTSC / other PAL regions offer. It's a can of worms. You're asking an already questionable government to police video games, all because you're pissed off about a weapon or attire in Shadow of War. Governments in general are against video games. Was this not considered?
It does help. There may be other ways to figure out how the rip off a fool. Especially the kind that defend this kind of stuff. But laws like this usually have language that covers more than just one thing. Plus it hurts a company to try things once they see it may ban there game, or cost them money. Or cause them to need to get approval/certified or blocked in a country/region. But I will agree that there are people like yomfweeee that will either buy or defend it to the end. The best vote is with the wallet. But this DOES help.
Good job, and thanks we need one for the USA! Maybe it will be an inspiration for us over here.
I'd go as far as saying to refund everyone affected, to show the companies we mean business.
"Can lead to real money being lost/earned." Someone help me out here. What real money is being earned by you when you buy loot boxes? How can you make or get real money from the things you get in these in-game loot boxes?
I opened a £2 crate on CSGO and got a knife worth nearly £200. I could easily sell it.
And your point? My point is MT's are not good for gaming,period.
I have literally no idea what relevance your comment holds. I was merely responding to his "How can you make or get real money from the things you get in these in-game loot boxes?"
There are games where you can sell lootbox rewards.
Um diablo 3 had a real money auction house, CSGO has had resellable MT content for years now. WoW user routinely sell their accounts and items in game its been happening for years, before that there was DAoC. These MT in full priced games are getting out of hand and now it come to light Activision patented a system to match make player based on DLC and MT content. Enough is enough
Any game that allows users to trade items. Though I imagine publishers are pretty well covered, as the terms of service will exclude people from accepting money (even though they turn a blind eye to the fact that it happens all the time).
Okay good question. It is not just about real money it is about gambling. If I go to a state fair and win a chance to sing or audition, or win a teddy bear. It is still gambling. If I can sell something I won electronically, or otherwise it is still winning something. If I can get paid from advertising my youtube channel has the best player(because of my loot winnings), and get more hits that get me more revenue dollars I still won money. But once again it is not just about MONEY. I don't see a simple direct money hit on this.
As an American, I applaud this gesture. I just hope the US doesn't try to get the government into this fight. The government in the US has historically been against gaming and will probably try to shut the whole industry down.
No the gun lobby has been against gaming blaming it everytime some goes off on a shooting rampage and they are under 50.
Nonsense, it's been plenty of democrats as well. The most prominent being Hillary Clinton, Ralph Nader, Tipper Gore, Joe Liberman, Diane Feinstein. Also somewhat recently a california senator named Leland Yee. The war on video games has historically been pretty bi-partisan, and hardly exclusive to the gun lobby.
Well said! Politicians have even directly done so. The right, the middle, the left. They think gamer's are some teenagers that can't vote. When in fact we average 35+ years of age for how long now? Also criminal's use it as a excuse for a shooting rampage to get sympathy, and say they was insane, because they saw some teens do it many years ago.
Whatever stay delusional
I think there needs to be very careful consideration moving forward with the current controversy surrounding MT and Loot Boxes. I don't condone either of them, but we shouldn't place all chips under the same umbrella. Games that you pay for that gate progression behind paywalls (of any kind) should certainly be looked at. However games like Overwatch and FIFA need not apply. I mean is it really that different to going into a shop and buying stickers for a sticker book? Or Pokemon cards? You're buying something that you don't know what's inside. The only major difference (outside of one being a physical purchase and one being digital) is that you can trade these stickers and cards with friends. I'll even back up games that have weapon / cosmetic items in Loot Boxes or are obtainable via MT. If it's in the game and can be earned, why scoff at the option to buy them or roll for them? Again I don't agree with the implementation - I point that out because I can smell the dislikes coming my way like a fart in a car - but we need to draw a line in the sand on what's acceptable and what isn't.
You hit the nail completely on the head. The main difference and yes its totally different is when I buy something in the real world I always have it, I can resell it, trade it. The digital crap once the server is gone so is the content.
That I can completely understand buddy, but does that really need to be classed as a form of gambling? Let's be subjective here, is that any different to (say) buying an online-only game knowing that it will only last as long as the server that upholds it? Please don't think that I'm just trying to be awkward, I'm not. I just think we need to have more context than simply saying Loot Boxes and MTs should be banned or labled as gambling. We need shades of gray and a firm stance of what's okay and what's not okay.
You touched on a (potentially key) distinction between sticker packs and digital loot boxes though. When you buy a sticker pack, you own the stickers inside it. With digital content ownership is a far more complicated concept. Do you even own the game? If you do, then you already own the items that you are paying to unlock. If you don't own the game in the first place, then you are paying money for items that you won't actually own. Either way, that means publishers face entirely different governance to Panini. Loot boxes are a relatively new phenomenon in the digital space (at least in gaming), and I think it warrants government review to make sure the legislation around it is fit for purpose. Petition signed.
I agree as it is obvious that the publishers and developers we place trust in to do things rite by the book can't be trusted so outside reviewing where a government can independently judge and rule for themselves if it's wrong that it needs to be sorted out. The pubs and devs Should Not get there money whore on to target all sorts on people with these methods they clearly are only out for themselves so I do not know why any of the ones defending them are doing so. Legislation has been needed in this industry from half way through last gen when micros and loot boxes started appearing. Gamers deserve a voice too and it shouldn't be about publishers and developers doing what they want and getting away with what they want, it is disrespect on there behalf towards us who have paid there bills and have been loyal and trusted followers of there franchise's. I do not know why some gamers are defending this though and I'm shocked that you can't stand behind the rest knowing it's wrong what they're doing. I mean what are you getting out of micros and loot boxes apart from being ripped off along with the rest of us, tell you what your buying into is future generations of gaming where it's much worse than this. I'm kind of gob smacked at the people who do nothing when there is an opportunity for our voices to heard finally it is obvious there are many who are strongly against it or the petition wouldn't of even lifted off. When things do get that bad it does affect you and that time will come, remember one thing that you had that chance to stand behind your fellow gamers who are trying to get there voice heard and did nothing. What we have at the moment is the start of things to come with micros, loot boxes, the worst is yet to come but when it does and it finally gets to you you will of wished you'd of stood by all the rest, all you have to do is open your eyes and take a stance with us.
No arguement here on the need for this to be looked into - I'm only suggesting that we be careful not to subject titles by default gambling just because there's MTs and Loot Boxes within. I think the word gambling is a pretty strong word for a game to have to carry (and possibly be age rated 18+ for - imagine FIFA rated 18+). Again I don't agree with the notion or concept of either, unless done right, I only think that we should be careful not to tarnish every game that has them implemented. As per your point, I wholeheartedly agree with you - I just think we need to draw a line carefully.
@Zerocarnage "I do not know why some gamers are defending this though and I'm shocked that you can't stand behind the rest knowing it's wrong what they're doing." I don't know if that's aimed at me or not, but I'll assume it is. I am not defending MTs or LBs, I simply think that we as a gaming community regardless of console choice, need to be careful about what we label as gambling and what we condemn. That's all I'm saying.
Still blaming overwatch despite what ur argument stands on.
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Now there is a proactive response to a problem (most online petitions being about complete nonesense). Hopefully the relevant parties take note. Better than spamming complaints in a comment section anyway.
Sometimes SJWs do the right thing! Yes, this petition is the work of those despised, if not loathed, SJWs. Nevertheless, I applaud them and hope to high-holy-hell that MTs and Lootboxes get banned... AND!!! Absolutely no grandfather clause to allow older games to keep their shady, crappy, money-scheming shenanigans!
I am never one to endorse the Gov stepping into anything (it ALWAYS screws things up). I have to say that the multi millionaire morons running these publishing houses only care about monetization. Story driven games - out, compelling content - out, PAY PAY PAY PAY. This is KILLING gaming. I am old school, and the trend is quite worrisome. The newer generation does not understand in many cases where this is all heading. This is the equivalent of pumping quarters into machines to keep playing. Just as they did back in the day, where they programmed the games to be super tough....it was so you kept PAYING if you wanted to keep playing. We for are almost at that point again now....even after paying full ticket price for admission.
Wish the US had as strong consumer protections but we dont.
Like anyone gives a shit. Stop buying video games is the governments answers, start being productive citizens. I have Odyssey to beat.
Slippery slope... you got to be-careful how far you push this... after all is buying a pack of sports cards, or a miscellaneous boxed toy figure (think Minecraft, Marvel, DC Etc...) gambling as well, both of which target children and adults? After all you simply pick the pack or box, but don't control what you get... Technically speaking purchasing something without complete control of the product you receive is gambling... Pretty much exact set-up with loot boxes... You simply purchase content, but don't have control over what that content is... You want loot boxes to go away... Don't buy them...
As much as I hate loot boxes, I'm not particularly thrilled with the precedent that allows government to start meddling in video games. I think it would be better to just let customers vote with their wallets.
What and you think publishers and developers can be trusted to do the rite thing, they obviously can't they're no longer in it as a hobby just in it to make you poor and line there luxury lives with our money. If a government is needed to stamp out Piss taking then they need to come in and review publishers games with these methods, see for themselves and judge. We as gamers have a limited voice in fact pretty much zilch in who is willing to listen so if a government is willing to step in and decide if this is unjust then we as gamers have a voice on our behalf for once.
Well honestly... Publishers and developers were never in it as a hobby to keep poor gamers happy...they are in it for profits make no mistake about that, to keep their company running and employees paid plus research and development of current/future platforms and programming code... Micro-transactions in this case loot boxes is one way they can keep making money off of a game post initial sale... To help keep the business open and programmers/artists employed and research and development moving forward. Honestly, tons of people on this forum rail against them... but how many people here railing against loot boxes purchased one...two...three or more? For as much as gamers complain, bitch and moan about loot boxes some people must be buying a whole lot of them for companies to keep them rolling out in AAA games... I don't buy them... But, then again I'm not nearly as super competitive in gaming as I use to be. So this subject doesn't really lite a fire under me... If a company puts a feature I don't like into a game (in this case Micro-transactions) in the form of loot boxes I just ignore them. But, Government intervening... Remember govt fucks a lot more shit up then they get right... Not sure I would want to introduce them into the gaming world you may not like the outcome of their overreach...
Hm... look at the petition's title "videogames which target children". If such a law were approved, perhaps it'd just affect "family-friendly" games; would M-rated games get a pass and be unaffected by such law?
Who cares about Microtransactions.
Trading cards have 'real world' value, and gambling has never been raised in that industry. Ive signed the petition, i would love to see some panic from the greedy publishers.
This is a lost cause and although I applaud efforts for trying it will go nowhere. Loot boxes, microtransactions or a variant of are here to stay.
Wow you got 10k retards to sign that? Send the memo to the Christian Right in America. Maybe we can get a tax on violent games next.
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