Should Wolfenstein change what it’s always been about? No. That’s what makes it unique as a franchise.
Does an article about the obvious really need to be made? When was being anti-Nazi a bad thing?
Twitter should tell you enough. There's people actually upset by the games theme.
Those people aren't going to last very long, then. Nazi-lovers seldom live to a ripe old age, and when they do they're not exactly welcomed in normal social circles.XD
That's for sure. This seemed yo serve true after the riots not long ago.
Nope. You misunderstand. Its not the nazis from germany that theyre upset about but the nazi them. Neo nazi crap that is current. I love wolfenstein and love killing nazis in the game but I can understand why some who've been labeled "neo-nazis" would have a problem with this kind of theme right now.
before WWII ? (1934-1939)
It's not a bad to be anti-nazi. Nazi ideals are quite awful. The controversy now is more that the hate group Antifa is using their anti-nazi stance to commit and justify acts of violence. and the game has an anti-nazi group in it that hurts people. It has nothing to do with bethesda or wolfenstein. It's just yet another political argument for people to bicker over. Best thing to do is just sit back an LOL @ the morons who bicker over the dumbest stuff. The nazi's of today are just made up of misguided youth who wanted to belong to something and got brainwashed by some sick people.
Congress Passes Anti-White-Supremacist Resolution, But It’s Unclear If Trump Will Sign It http://nymag.com/daily/inte... Trump didn't sign it. Never renounced white supremacy even when both the house and the senate easily passed the bi-partisan bill.
What do you think Nazi's are other than misguided and mentally ill youth that become brainwashed by sociopaths? The problem is that these people are mentally ill and have been misguided by sick people who use them for their own personal gain. Calling them wannabees is ignorant and ignores the problem of mental illness in this country. People aren't born with nazi ideals but they are born with predispositions to dangerous mental problems which help create these issues. Do you think the man who drove his car into a crowd of people was a wannabee? No he was a guy in his early 20's with a history of mental illness and antisocial behavior in school. And as you defend antifa i should remind you that even though they stand for something that seems noble it's all just a sick excuse to cause violence. Oh how nice, a hate group that accepts all races. Anyone who joins antifa or joins a nazi group is a disgusting human being. Yes the nazi's are worse but in the end it's like comparing a small pile of garbage to a much larger pile of garbage...it's all still garbage I will say that the people on the right are just too afraid to denounce some of their voters which is also disgusting.
@Kevon "Antifa has not killed a single person" Source for that? Because, while I agree with most of your points, it's a proven fact that Antifa is a VERY agressive, confrontational, disrespectful and violent group. There are plenty of videos proving this out there; for all you or I know, there has probably been someone who has suffered deadly injury from one of them. I don't know what side the Vegas shooter was on, but he was definitely anti-Trump, and while no evidence has been brought forth by the FBI, there have been conflicting reports floating around of him being linked to Antifa. Even if the Vegas shooter is not Antifa, with how that group has been acting, it really is only a matter of time until someone in that group DOES take a human life.
You are not helping here, buddy. @kevon04 is right about this.
Not really. Antifa is openly known to be violent, they encourage assault on anyone you even SUSPECT to be a Nazi, believe speech should be regulated and disagreeable speech silenced... They're really not much better. That said: Nothing about this game is controversial. The "people" the group in this game hurt? Nazis. Literal Nazis, not just "suspected" or "you don't agree with me so you are one" Nazis. Real, literal, Third Reich Nazis. There is no "parallel" with that here, there is no "hurting people", there's killing Nazis. Period. If you think that's meant, in any way, to praise Antifa, you're a nut.
@ kevon 1 There are no american nazis except the ones who do language policing and beliefs policing. 2 Nope , they get mixed up in it because the left call whoever disagrees with them nazis now. 3 No american cares to make america a white only nation. But im sure theyre against illegal immigration. 4 You just stated it. Unless we do something you tell us to do we will all be lumped into your idea of american nazi. Its a form of harassment and violent threat. 5 Psychos drive cars into people. A black man went into a church and killed a bunch of white people https://www.washingtonpost.... But you dont see people claiming that he stands for anyone other then himself. Period. The way I see it. Commies and Nazis like to lump people together. Normal people like to stand united and the message is clear to anyone who listens. These rallies you speak of have more then just whites joining in. People of all colors and backgrounds back up those rallies. If it was truly white supremacy they would not. By the way your link does not have any links to each associated attack. Why not? Is it his assumption or fact? I dont assume that the black man was anything more then a deranged black man. That is all.
That’s not what I’m seeing. Bethesda is being called SJW and pushing a leftist agenda. I’m sorry but being anti nazi is not a left or right thing, it’s an American thing. At least it should be. The alt right is pushing real hard to normalize this stuff now. “both sides” nonsense. This is more reflective of what’s happening with the anti SJW crowd. They started off with a good point as PC culture was getting out of hand, but now they’ve been taken over by bigots and don’t realize it. Now any view that isn’t right wing is SJW.
Antifa is nonviolent, you're talking about black bloc protesters and anarchist. Keep watching fox and reading breibart to make up your fictional reality. Or you could fact check stuff...nah..reality sucks and google is hard. Now, go back to your bubble of ignorance..smfh.
"Does an article about the obvious really need to be made?" with some reactions to this game online i'd say there is sadly.
Since they took refuge in America and no laws or justice stood up to remove them, rather protect them under 'freedom of speech' even though all they speak is hate. Anyway, it's a good thing to be anti-nazi.
It's not a bad thing. However it's very easy to get yourself labelled as a Nazi these days.
Extremely easy. Simply have a different opinion and an open mind and now you're a nazi. Labels are very dangerous. Communism uses labels to divide and conquer. I hop people wake up begin to actually treat each other like fellow human beings instead of enemies. We, just recently, were able to look past the color of a persons skin, or his sex, now it seems the media is reopening race wounds and creating ones where they never existed.
Killing Nazis has been a time honored tradition in videogames and various other media for decades now. Why is it suddenly controversial now?
Seems the game releasing within the current political climate.
Agree %100. Trump has taken the country backwards. What a shame
People trying to paint trump supporters as nazis is why.
People trying? Nah, Trump supporters are doing a good job of doing that themselves.
George Soros, Media Matters, and the mainstream media are to blame for the hysteria.. making all Trump supporters and conservatives seem like racists and Nazis. Then you have these brainwashed, delusional Liberals who believe it. And one day, because of them, the government that THEY create is gonna be counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums, unless they are stopped.
@Silly gamAr As your name suggests. I dont recall these people calling themselves nazis. They've been labeled and sooner or later will be hunted. What @Grubster is not so strange that it hasnt happened before. It can still happen if ignorance and misinformation remains prevalent. Much of the media should be shut down for what they are doing.
Poor Trump supporters. But I bet your okay with Mexicans being labeled rapist and criminals. I bet you didn't say anything when an entire religion was being banned from the U.S. Or when rights are being taken away from woman and Lgbt. Or When Republicans continue to try and take health care away from millions. People are calling Nazis, Nazis, they simply happen to be all Republicans. You don't like it them denounce them.
@atticus If we ever see people start comparing evil Mexicans in a video game with actual Mexicans in real life and thinking they relate to each other, then maybe you can compare. I bet you're ok with the countries (not religions/unless all the American Muslims were exiled??) that were on the ban list, having ban lists of their own. I bet you're quick to paint Christianity as evil when a priest molests a child, but hurries onto social media to post '#notallmuslims' when yet another terrorist attack hits Europe. I hearby denounce Nazis, wow, great, now people will stop calling innocent Trump supporters Nazis right?
@generic It's very obvious that being Republicans doesn't make you a Nazi, but that is easy to overlook when people want to defend Nazis and attack the people against nazis. So you will wait until evil Mexicans in video games are compared to real Mexicans, before you care about the President doing it in real life. Hipocrite! But you pretend to care so much about using the wrong label. Im not okay with any ban list, Bannin people only ATTEMPTS to cure a symptom. The root of the problem lies with countries that have been destabilized by action of bigger countries, one being USA. Ban won't get you far, these coutries need help, mostly education. The ban and Trump speeches are great recruiting tools for ISIS thou. When a priest is evil, that's him as an individual. Very easy for me to see that, but why can you and Trump with most Republicans not think the same way because there's a 1 billion Muslims. If they were all bad we would already be dead. I will say it a different way. Not all Republicans are Nazis but Nazis proudly support Republicans. And so do the white supremacists and KKK. Republicans and Trump need to stop doing things this racist groups like. Good on you for denoucing them but remember actions speak louder than words.
No one is saying all trump supporters are Nazis, but if you are a Nazi/ Nazi sympathizer, you're probably a trump supporter.
It better be.
You're an idiot if you are offended by a video game
Exactly! Video games don't matter! They aren't art!
How are games not art? This statement has left me perplexed.
Games are art. And you can be offended. Say a game decides to state that all blacks are not human. I can see some taking offense to that. They just need to see past that to the plot or the point of the game and not singling out the lines and topics used to tell the story. But yes they can be offensive. But even a bird can be offensive by crashing into someones head. Just be a mature adult and move on. Just a matter of not letting the offense get to you.
Yes and I love it because they are absolute scum. Visited my grand uncle's grave in France when my grandfather was still alive. I will never forget it.
No problem killing nazis??? But apparently a huge problem to respect the flag that did a lot of that killing....seems kinda weird to me.
So you lost the arguments you were in... now do that little flag wave and call anyone who disagrees with you un-American. Because as we all know if your an American citizen but your not from the political right your somehow less American. *rolls eyes*
Huh? Not at all. Where did I say that anyone who disagrees with me is un-American? Lost what? Haven't received any responses to my comments that I have seen so I haven't lost anything. There are no neo nazis...fact! Its just a label and labels are thrown around like popcorn nowadays. Nazis rounded up jews and christians and murdered them. they also had a breeding program for women. With those facts I see nothing resembling nazism today..if only the desire to burn/ban books that are suddenly considered racist and shuitting down, imprisioning, persecuting anyone with differing opinions. Feel free to argue these facts as much as you want. They wont go away. There are crazy people. These crazy people identify with both ends of the political spectrum and at times with neither. They're labeled republican if only because they vote republican. In this day and age its like people assume that there are republicans and democrats and nothing in between. I vote for the candidate that seems, appears, more normal in conduct and policies. Whether that is democrat or republican it has varied throughout the years.And many other people vote for neither because theyre not invested in either party. And yet they are/will be labeled as either democrat or republican against their actual disposition. For instance. We all know that millions of people have been baptized. You are, commonly, baptized as a baby. If later in life you commit a crime the media will report you to be a christian. Whether or not you hold any such beliefs or ever stepped foot inside a church of your own choice. Because you were baptized they will report you to be a christian and all other Christians will now have that stain as a representation of them. That is the most clear instance of the point I am trying to make. Media loves labels and labels are a sure way of being wrong when passing judgement. Look past labels and you will find the truth. Simple as that. Feel free to response to my comment with facts and how they prove me wrong. I am not against being proven wrong or learning something new. We are all, after all, at the mercy of the honesty/dishonesty of mass media.
"Media loves labels and labels are a sure way of being wrong when passing judgement. Look past labels and you will find the truth. Simple as that." Is that like all the times you have called people commies or socialists on this site? Your trying to deflect the real discussion by blaming it on labels or whatever. The problem is the rise of white supremacy in America period. But just to point out the flaw in your label argument, people are labeled by what they call themselves. If someone says they are Christian they get labeled as such regardless of how often they go to church. If a person goes to a white supremacist rally yells Nazi slogans while waving a Nazi flag they will be labeled a Nazi. It's as simple as that. If I see a white supremacists and I look past any labels what I see is someone who espouses an ideology of hate. And when I read what you have to say all too often on this site what I see is you trying to normalize that view. Just like your doing with this label thing, who cares what you call them they are wrong. Just say it's wrong, don't blame it on the media or whatever else you think makes it seem acceptable.
"Is that like all the times you have called people commies or socialists on this site? " Actually no. White supremacy is back by what philosophy? What proof is there that this philosophy actually exists? None. Communism existed and the philosophy existed and there is proof. A label is different because it makes them completely inhuman and immediately at risk of immense persecution. Label represents the person and his actions or likely actions. A persons political view doesnt necessarily represent his actions. "Your trying to deflect the real discussion by blaming it on labels or whatever. The problem is the rise of white supremacy in America period. " Okay ill play. How do we solve it? I sense of superiority i fear is in most people. White or not. So give us a solution. How do we stop people thinking themselves better from doing so? Dont bring up the violence card cause it is pointless since all sides are violent. Blame mob mentality. "And when I read what you have to say all too often on this site what I see is you trying to normalize that view. Just like your doing with this label thing, who cares what you call them they are wrong. Just say it's wrong, don't blame it on the media or whatever else you think makes it seem acceptable. " Actually no. The idea of white supremacy. Which is pretty much. Kill all non whites...thats the gist of what youre saying. I dont like it. And I am 100% against it. My problem is that someone who, I know, is not at all that kind of mentally insane person is being called such. Therefore the term white supremacy is completely useless because it is inaccurately used on people. Just like racist. Do we not agree that someone is racist who acts racist? Someone is white supremacist that acts as such. In other words a racist would insult blacks on the street or mistreat blacks because of their skin color, for example. Vice versa also applies. And a white supremacist would not befriend anyone that isnt white, correct? Now if we agree. I have not met or seen a single white supremacist as of yet. I have seen angry offended people. Ones that want to force their views and others that are defending their views. Both views that are completely exaggerated by the media. As far as nazi slogans..I saw the videos as I have seen others from antifa and such. Both sides are violent. Both sides have a lot of youth. Their actual intention is not that of Nazi's not all germans were of the nazi kill all jews mentality fyi. All I see is that if anyone says..for instance....illegal immigrants shouldnt be allowed into this country...which is a normal thing to say...its illegal. They are labeled hateful as you put it. Which is completely wrong. If someone says that abortion shouldnt be allowed because its murder. Theyre all labeled hateful and against womens rights...which has nothing to do with it. These people are concerned with both the babys and the mothers rights. etc, etc. So lets call it a fetus and not human or baby so we dont have to feel bad...thats not an actual solution. The list goes on with mislabeling and misrepresentation of people. That is all I am saying. Never said the violence was fine and most definitely not in agreement of racism or prejudice, having suffered some of that already. Misrepresentation is all I've truly claimed. Not normalizing of whatever views you think im normalizing. Thats your assumption.
There's a killer flag on the loose? In all seriousness respecting am inanimate object is stupid. If you read about the U.S. flag codes you'll see everyone disrespects it.
its common courtesy to respect the nation in which you live. What you personally think or do afterwards is up to you. Would you not have a problem is someone stepped into your home and the first thing they do is spit on the floor? Its just a floor..an inanimate object...right? Can I go take a dump on your lawn? Im sure you nor anyone else would appreciate that. Same thing applies to the flag. Whose country people have given their lives. Not difficult to show a little respect in that regard and im not even patriotic. Just find the hypocrisy of expectations quite interesting.
I respect nations, and not flags. I also respect anyone's right to protest. The United States exists because of protest.
Are we really going to pretend the marketing team didn't realize they were making potentially controversial statements? This whole issue arose because they were being intentionally edgy. "Make America Nazi free again" is certainly appropriate to wolfenstein, but it's also clearly a parallel for Trump's "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan. Anyone with any sort of marketing experience or degree would notice this. By moving the conversation away from the deliberateness of the statements and into "But wolfenstein has always had Nazi's!" authors are either being intentionally disingenuous and ignoring the context of what's going on, or they're simply throwing up shade to misrepresent the situation.
Very good point. They didnt have to copy that line...but they did. Thereby showing their intentions. Its quite clear but many are unfortunately convinced of other things. Misrepresent the situation is what I think theyre doing. Its a media tactic for creating shock and clicks. They misrepresent almost everything already.
But, isn't being Nazi free also making America great? Clearly there's a problem if one is offended. Sounds like said one feels like being anti-Nazi is not an American value, just a left wing one.
I'm getting my Nazi scalps with this game.
I'm looking forward to this game. Die Nazi scum!!!
Omg this still?
Can't we please just kill the bad guys and skip the politics????
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