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It's disturbing that Wolfenstein can be considered a controversial political statement

Bethesda marketing boss Pete Hines discusses publisher's marketing for upcoming anti-Nazi shooter.

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Genuine-User102d ago (Edited 102d ago )

Nazism will never be accepted as a political stance, they are a historical enemy to the society. F**k Nazi’s and all of their degenerate apologists.

wonderfulmonkeyman102d ago (Edited 102d ago )

1000% agreed.
And that comes from someone firmly against the left and all of their "peaceful" protests.
Honestly, I didn't even CONSIDER the game to be a political statement before a bunch of idiots started trying to make it into one; Wolfenstein has ALWAYS been about blasting Nazis in a fantasy setting.
To say there's something abhorrent or wrong about that is like saying violent video games as a category are wrong in the first place.
Which, if you're a very die-hard pacifist [does that even make sense?XD], I can understand, but for the majority of us, we're just fine with a little kick-ass in our gaming lives.

Genuine-User102d ago

Yeah, the current political climate is all over the place. I am firmly for the left and support them whenever and wherever I can, but even with our political differences I’m sure most us can agree on Nazi scums being our common enemy.

DialgaMarine100d ago

Nazi scum bags and Communist scum bags. Two sh*tty peas of the same pod. F*ck both

darthv72100d ago

Turning Point: Fall of Liberty has a similar tone about an alternate history where Nazi win the war. Its not a bad game, good story but typical fps game play.

Uken12100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

It's a fantasy videogame. Don't take it seriously.

kitsune451100d ago

Not all Nazi's are bad. Some are dead.

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DarXyde100d ago

The way I see it, Nazis no longer exist. I wouldn't bother giving these people the satisfaction of any acknowledgement. They're a band of eugenicists that, apparently, want to be on the losing side of history...again. They're losers. And inferior for their beliefs.

But that aside, I am very worried about the education of people today because, to me, if people seriously believe that Wolfenstein is a political statement, that sounds like they think "Nazi" is a recent thing. Wolfenstein has a long and glorious history of wrecking Nazis.

bluefox755100d ago

Bunch of larpers, antifa and the white nationalists. I'm willing to bet that most of them know nothing about the history of nazism and communism in the world.

bennissimo100d ago

The worst part about antifa is that they co-opt peaceful rallies that oppose what most of the civilized world agrees to be deplorable. Their unnecessary violence gives all anti-fascist protests a bad name.

subtenko100d ago

Blame the media and anyone trying to stir the pot for their agenda. So mad they use this term for EVERYTHING. Now its made its way to gaming. >:( I rather have Jack Thompson back

2600Thunder100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

Hate begets hate. Political left, right, upside-down, right side up extremists always lead to the same result: us getting screwed. Perhaps wise philosophers were on to something when they said to "Find balance".

Except Nazis. Everyone can hate Nazis.

nitus10100d ago

Oh really! I suggest you read some history books. especially from 550 AD or CE on.

How about reading up on Indian (India not the USA) history (use "india genocide") and the "Mediterranean wars 600 ad" over the last 1400 years. Basically, Hitler and Starlin were boy scouts compared to what happened over that time. I will let you work out who or what was responsible.

There is a saying "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it".

soulrebel100d ago

So, you've been down voted, I see. Either by attention seeking, angry school kids, or, by Nazi apologists. I shall echo your original sentiment. F*ck you, to anyone who even pretends to back Nazi sentiment. These primitive scumbags will lose as always, as the rest of civilization continues to evolve.

Dragonscale100d ago

Same can be said for communism. Communism killed over 100 million last century.

kneon100d ago

And 10's of millions have been killed in the name of Christianity. This sort of thing has been going on for thousands of years, it's just different groups involved at different times.

bluefox755100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

In the context of today, it's not about people apologizing for nazis. Everyone agrees they are bad. It's become more of a political proxy war where those on the left are trying to label many on the right as "nazis" and prop up their left wing equivalent communist groups, like Antifa (to be fair, this is mostly the media, which thrives on conflict, but many people buy into it as well). People on the right respond like: "Hey, we all agree nazis are bad, but just because I disagree with you politically doesn't make me a nazi. And what about antifa? They go around committing violence and destruction in the name of communism all the time, why don't aren't they just as bad?"

In conclusion. radical extremists such as nazis and communists are two sides of the same radical, murderous coin. Both have long histories with death tolls in the millions. No one on either side of the political spectrum should be identifying with either of them, or using them to take shots at political opponents. They both belong with all of the other marginalized, radical groups, where we can all unite against them.

Cobra951100d ago

That's it exactly. I hate real Nazis too. Real Nazis would probably cook me in an oven. But when the label "Nazi" starts getting thrown around like confetti at crowds of conservative white people, we need to take a step back and ask "who are you calling a Nazi?" Is it me? Is it my neighbor with the picket fence and the blond kids? As long as the game deals with real Nazis--guys worshiping Adolf Hitler and seeking the destruction on non-Aryans--I have no problem with it. Any wider reach than that, and then I do.

uth11100d ago

Exactly. We should worry more about newer political ideologies that havent earned a bad rep yet.

Nazism labelled as nazisn is never going to make a comeback

subtenko100d ago

idk you got all these people dressed in all black causing riots and hurting people like they are....

Why are we even ranting about nazis and something back in the past....we didnt do this a couple of decades ago... stop politicizing my gaming hobby yall....

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Brave_Losers_Unite102d ago

Bunch of nazi Trump supporters getting triggered over this game its hilarious

lukferr101d ago

Trump supporters aren't Nazis though. But the Regressive Left seem to call them that for some strange reason and it makes absolutely no sense.

Eonjay101d ago

There are valid reason for people thinking Trump and his supporters are Nazi sympathizers. You don't have to be political to get it.

ziggurcat100d ago

@captain:

Fascism is far right on the political scale...

CaptainObvious878100d ago

No Zig, it's far left.

You're extremely militant leftist professors aren't a valid source when it comes to this subject.

OmnislashVer36100d ago

Trump supporters definitely do have Nazis, they admit to it plainly and declare it themselves.

Eonjay100d ago

@CaptainObvious878

The reason people think that is based on observation and reason. I said, there are reasons that people think Trump and his supporters are Nazi sympathizers. You went ballistic. You said that those who think that way are hateful racist bigots (much like Nazis themselves lol) and then you mislabeled the group that, here in America, are self recognized as alt-righters. Do you even recognize a bigot? Our president has been endorsed by the KKK, he lead a race charge against former president Obama for years, he called for the execution of innocent black teens years ago (seeking to deny them due process even though it was clearly shown they were innocent). He has a history of denying black individuals housing. These are actions that lead people to think he has a problem processing the idea of individuals that are not his same race. His reaction to the Neo Nazi march a month ago let us know that you can still rage against Jews and other races and that kind of rhetoric can still be considered part of a 'decent' disposition. That is what people mean when they say he is sympathetic to Nazis. Simply stating what I have observed doesn't make me racist, dumb or stuck on media. Think for yourself. If you are smart enough to repeat those talking points you just recited to me, you are smart enough to come up with some original one. You are smart enough to engage me in conversation and you can't be to scared to hear an opposing viewpoint.

ziggurcat100d ago

No, captain, it’s the far right;

“Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

Septic100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

Errr....which person do you think the Nazis supported during the American Presidential elections?

The election of which president emboldened the closet racists and bro Nazis?

Are people so thick that they can't recognise the obvious fact?

Captainobvious

"Nazi's were on the left btw."

😂😂😂 LMFAO!

OrangePowerz100d ago

Lukferr. Not all people that voted for Trump are Nazis, but pretty much all Nazis voted for Trump.

kneon100d ago

@Septic

By definition at least half the population is at or below the median intelligence. So there are a lot of stupid people on the planet, thus the outcome of the US election and people who think Nazi's are left wing, the earth is flat, or that the kardashians are in any way important.

InMyOpinion100d ago

It's a deliberate part of their agenda to always bring up "what about the left and antifa" whenever somebody posts negative about nazis. An effort to make it seem as if leftist extremism is as large scale and organized as the neo-nazi movement.

Anybody that attends a nazi demonstration and isn't a nazi is automatically labeled an antifa extremist, when in reality most of them are just mentally healthy citizens.

Skankinruby100d ago

The guy said Saddam Hussein had some commendable work ethics, he conflicts his own statements every time he goes public or even tweets, he instills fear of other races to the general public by interviewing victims of immigrant criminals.....not blaming the crime but the fact that they were immigrants. He wants to give silenced weapons to the general public for their 'own safety' even after the insanity that just happened in Vegas. Hasn't followed through with a damn word he said in his whole campaign other than showing mockups for this stupid wall he wants to build which ironically cost billions while claiming hrs also going to improve the economy.
This idiot is no more qualified to run a country than I am to perform brain surgery.

uth11100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

It makes sense, its orwrllian. They change the definition of words.

For instance, to you or I, a 'white supremicist' is someone who believes the white race is superior to all others.

To them, a white supremicist is basically anyone who defends the status quo with its 'institutionized racism'. You vould be a supporter of MLKs colorblind society and still be a called a "white supremicist", because 'color blindness' is a sign of white privilege. Why? Because they said so.

I wish i was exagerating

Sire there are real white sulremicists and nazis out there, but not the epidemic they claim due to their loose definitions.

This is like a repeat of the 'Red Scare' all over again, except for Nazis instead of communists

Ashunderfire86100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

They are waving and saluting to Nazi flags and Confederate flags! Those treasonous flags is a disrespect to this country, and our veterans! Most of his supports are card carrying white supremacists that follow Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, and to top it off David "ScaryLookingPaleOn Steroids " Duke!!!!

bennissimo100d ago

lol @ the keyboard warriors on here trying desperately to redefine "fascism" and "Nazism".

Good thing word definitions, like science, don't care at all about your feelings, right-wing SNOWFLAKES. ;P

Trump employed white nationalists. DEAL WITH IT. Don't like it? Complain to your orange fuhrer.

subtenko100d ago

If this keeps happening, Im might be done with gaming forums and message boards. Politics being brought into everything, food, gaming, sports, FTS, soon there will be talk about nazis and trump and white people on the new mario game. Ridiculous

PistolsAtDawn100d ago

It is crazy how many people actually believe that Nazi's and Fascism is an idea from the right...when historically it has ALWAYS been on the left. It has always come from Socialist/Communist nations. I mean think about it in it's purist sense and it's obvious. If conservatives believe in smaller government control and more personal freedom, but Socialism/Communism believes in a progressive wave of ideas trying to change the population into supporting a society structured by the government and restrict personal freedom...Which side needs to use force to get their way???? It's scary how many people are ignorant to history and totally believe the wrong thing.

ziggurcat100d ago

@pistols:

"It is crazy how many people actually believe that Nazi's and Fascism is an idea from the right..."

... because Fascism is a right-wing ideology...

"... when historically it has ALWAYS been on the left..."

no:

“Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries. OPPOSED TO LIBERALISM, MARXISM AND ANARCHISM, FASCISM IS USUALLY PLACED ON THE FAR-RIGHT WITHIN THE TRADITIONAL LEFT–RIGHT SPECTRUM.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

PlebeGamer100d ago

Nazis are on the Right side of the European scale, but in relation to America's Constitution and founding principles they stand of the Far Left. It's very simple:

The further Left you go, the stronger you want the government to be, the further Right, the smaller you want the government to be. Fascism is a branch of socialism that believes in total government control, which means fascists, including Nazis, are all Left of center in America.

ziggurcat99d ago

That’s nice, but the US isn’t the world.

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Emperor100d ago

Yeah, for real. Not a day goes by when the alt-right isn't triggered by something and screaming about it on the internet.

CaptainObvious878100d ago

I think you're getting confused, it's the left that gets triggered.

GrubsterBeater100d ago

It's definitely these far left communists and mainstream media, celebrities, Hollywood, the establishment, etc
who are always triggered at whatever George Soros and Media Matters pay the mainstream media and Leftist news outlets and sites to BE outraged about.

The left is brainwashing everyone into believing Trump and his supporters are Nazis, when in reality, it's the Liberals and Antifa who are acting EXACTLY like the Brown Shirts of Nazi Germany and attacking anyone who disagrees with them politically. The Liberal professors at the colleges are brainwashing our kids and won't tell them about how Nazi actually stands for NationalSozialist, or National Socialist Party... you know, the Left?!?!

You people have been so brainwashed by this Soros paid defamation of Conservatives, Trump and his supporters that you DON'T even know what's really going on. Not to mention none of these people are saying anything racist or anything even resembling remotely a Nazi. You guys are dooming us to repeat history with this Liberal Trump Derangement Syndrome rhetoric that every single media source spits out, word by word.

Go listen to Trump and everyone else and realize that he never said anything that the Media likes to tell you he said, taken out of context, or just completely false.

Don't get me wrong, there is Nazis that exist... all 40 of them. And this alt-right is a whole 500 people tops, led by Spencer. The only reason people even think there are so many Nazis and alt-right racist is because people on the internet turned Pepe the frog into a joke making fun of Liberals, and they took it seriously and thought everyone was a racist neo Nazi, and just kept on going with that narrative, while gullible dolts like you who don't do any real research of their own believe it...

Emperor100d ago

@GrubsterBeater

Yeah, the liberals, the mainstream media, Hollywood, the liberals, the Marxists, the leftists, the liberals, CNN, liberals are nazis, Hillary, The New York Times, liberals are racists, blah blah blah.

If I were you, I wouldn't listen to those alt-right e-celebs that say anything for clicks and attention.

OrangePowerz100d ago

Gruber. I always find it funny when people equate the Nazis with Socialism because they had it in their name. The Nazi party was called National Socialist Workers Party. Might as well say workers are bad, after all it's in the name. North Korea is called Democratic People's Republic of Korea. We can all agree there is no democracy there. Just because something is in the name doesn't mean it is that way.

Kind regards from someone who is from a country that was under Nazi rule and spent 8 years in school learning about the Nazi regime.

zypher100d ago

Both sides get triggered. Look at what's going on in the NFL now. A bunch of players decide to peacefully and quietly protest by kneeling, and it triggers the right-wing, Republican President, sending him frothing at the mouth and attacking their first amendment rights by suggesting they be fired.

Cobra951100d ago

GrubsterBeater, you seem to have a good grasp on the propaganda war. Your post was a relief after reading so much ignorance above it. Of course Nazi sympathizers would vote for Trump. They sure as hell weren't going to vote for Hillary. That doesn't mean that Trump was elected by Nazis, or that even a sizeable fraction of half the country is Nazi. No assumption could be more stupid.

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Tedakin100d ago

yeah 63 million Nazis. This kind of identity politics got him elected, and will get him re-elected. Keep it up.

Cobra951100d ago

True. The left are only digging themselves into a deeper hole by showing what they really are, finally--totalitarians. Disagree with them, and you get attacked viciously, even physically at times. After what I've witnessed in Berkley, there's no way I'll ever support them. I want some things for this country that are considered socialist, like accessible health care; but after what has happened since the election, there's just no way I'll ever vote anything but conservative. Freedom is more important than anything else.

Atticus_finch100d ago

I agree. The alt right has been invigorated by Trump and his followers.

ger2396100d ago

Didn't know Hispanics, Blacks,Asians and any other non whites who voted for Trump were Nazis.

Cobra951100d ago

I'm Puerto Rican. My ancestry is mostly Spanish. My native language is Antillean Spanish. I voted for Trump. I must be a "hispanic" Nazi?

bluefox755100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

And this is why there's a problem. People like you that call anyone who disagrees with them a nazi. I'd like to say it's rare, but judging by your upvotes, it's not. This is why the problem exists in society today. If I disagree with you, I think you're wrong. If you disagree with me, you think I'm a nazi. How do you not see the problem with that?

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subtenko100d ago

gtfo, you the dude that always wanna bring stupid stuff up

PistolsAtDawn100d ago

The problem with your statement is that the people acting like Nazi's are on the left. They are the Socialists, they are the fascists using violence to silence other, they are the racists using ID Politics to split everyone apart, and they are the ones trying to then disarm everyone and make gov more powerful. If you're implying that Trump supporters or the right are the "Nazi's" due to the "Alt-Right"...that is a MASSIVE overreach. The Alt-Right is a small insignificant group of morons that is accepted by no one...they don't even share any ideas with the right/conservatives. They were simply KKK (which historically has ALWAYS been democrats), it's just that now the left has switched their brand of racism from White only...to everything but white. It's not that the true right has accepted them, it's that they lost their place, the right NEVER accepted them.

Trump does several stupid things, but he can't decide who supports him or not. It's also an odd notion to assume that idiot white supremacists (or any other idiot group of supremacists) is one-dementional. Yeah, they may be racist jerks, but IF they support Trump, maybe it's cause they think he will bring their jobs back or something...NOT cause they think he will make US an White Supremacist nation Either way, they are a TINY TINY TINY group of the US that we shouldn't even pay attention to and let them continue to disappear. If anything, people are giving them more power right now by giving them so much attention. The BIGGEST estimate I've ever heard of White Supremacists in the US is 100k (most actually say in about the 10's of thousands), which is way too much, but out of 360mil....

TLDR; It's sad how uneducated people have become. We all agree that Nazi's are evil and have no place in society, but the level of irony that the people actually ACTING LIKE NAZI's continue to call everyone else a Nazi is through the roof.

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ScreenCritics101d ago

This one of those cases where I hope Bethesda double down. Ram the message home, make them all squirm.

Rimeskeem101d ago

I really thought that this day and age we could agree Nazis suck.

Erik7357101d ago (Edited 101d ago )

We do, dont believe that we are divided. We aren't....its just 0.000000000000001% like nazi in America and their voice is just heard louder. There will always be that one racist guy no matter what. Hell B.O.B still thinks the earth is flat

nitus10100d ago

Unfortunately, you will always have those on the fringe such as "flat-earthers' and "conspiracy theorists". You would get a much better conversation from a brick wall than talk to them since it does not matter what evidence you provide they will refuse to believe.

Racism in any form is bad and there is one thing that the USA has over many countries and that is the division of church and state.

The first amendment in the Bill of Rights is as follows "Prohibits Congress from making any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances."

Americans should be proud of this, however, it must be said: "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." It must be noted that you don't have to be paranoid but you should always be aware of history (your own and other countries) otherwise you will be doomed to repeat it and there is no excuse for not knowing since a few seconds of web searching will give you anything you want to know about.

CaptainObvious878100d ago

Normally we could, but unfortunately, parasitic leftist throw around the term 'nazi' to anyone that disagrees with them. Ben Shapiro is apparently a "nazi" so the term is starting to lose all meaning.

StarElite100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

Even POC that have conservative views are called white supremacists/nazis, these days.
It's weird.

Summons75100d ago

And yet you throw around "leftist" like you do completely proves your point in vice versa. Someone doesn't agree with you they are "the enemy left" which has been a source of toxicity just as much as people calling other Nazi's or Trumptards when they agree with his super extreme right beliefs. Everyone is the enemy and no one can just admit they are wrong.

CaptainObvious878100d ago

Summon,

The difference is, I'm not going round saying it's ok t punch a leftist in their face and to shut down their free speech.

Erik7357100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

And parasitic right winged nuts wanna think all liberals are social justice warriors right? Cute

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AnotherProGamer100d ago

They do, but calling everyone that doesn't have leftist political view a nazi is the problem

aaronaton100d ago

This is the issue i have with the advertising, they seem to be echoeing a far left stance.

InMyOpinion100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

The advertising is echoing an anti-nazi stance. Nothing more, nothing less. Just because they now wear suits and call themselves "alt-right" doesn't change what they're about.

AnotherProGamer100d ago

@InMyOpinion

I don't see alt right trying to genocide all the jews, stop using the word nazi on people you disagree with, the word starts to lose all meaning when you do

Concertoine100d ago (Edited 100d ago )

The controversy isnt the games depiction of nazis. Ffs people.

The controversy is using leftist hashtags to liken the nazis to Trump and his supporters (half the country voted for this