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Project Cars 2 Dev Takes Swipe at Gran Turismo’s esports Approach

Two of the biggest names in the racing game genre are taking their positions on the grid, but who will win?

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SlappingOysters359d ago

PC2 all the way for me!! GT Sport is too bare-boned.

UCForce359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

But GT Sports have FIA license which it's pretty big deal to be honest. And this isn't like GT5 Demo, this is more like a new beginning of Gran Turismo series. And PC2, I won't judge it.

SlappingOysters359d ago

FIA license is cool, but will cost a lot of money. They go for about $500 per year.

darthv72358d ago

Don't know what FIA is or why it's a big deal but I am very disappointed that we are not getting a traditional GT game this gen when it has become expected since GT first released.

I am hopeful they return to tradition when the PS5 releases and we get GT7 and GT8 for that console gen.

UCForce358d ago (Edited 358d ago )

@darthv72 I can't say about that. What Kaz want this game to be the new beginning of GT series. Meaning GT Sports is the second generation of GT series.

Redlife2g359d ago

I agree.. I was a die hard Gt fan but they lost me this year with the decision not to implement a full career mode.

Zeke68359d ago

Personally I think GT Sport is just the foundation for things to come. They already stated they will add up to 450-500 cars. What stop them from adding a campaign too ? Nothing tbh.
They release the foundation now and can expand that as much or little as they decide to in the future. I think that's why you hear Polyphony's CEO Yamauchi repeating their mantra "I don't think it will be a GT 7..."
Ofc not. no need if they just keep building on GT Sport.
But first they flirt with the online racing community because that's there the real racing players/fans/companies are and after that it will be easy to add more to the game to lure the casuals in with more "arcady" addons.
That's my 2 cents on this :)

Fishy Fingers359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

Those 400-500 extra cars will cost you more than 2 cents Zeke.

Zeke68359d ago

@Fishy
I'm prepared !! ;D

itsmebryan358d ago

@Zeke68
GT makes promise and doesn't keep them. Remember when they said they would patch the sound on GT5 and 6 and never did? I lost faith in them after GT 5 and 6.

If it is a foundation then why charge full price? Why not half for lack of content if like you say it is just a foundation? Then release updates as you go and charge for them till you reach $60. Not full price for a game you admit is incomplete with no solid dates for updates. Think about it how long did it take for them just to make this.

Dee_91358d ago

@Redlife2g
So you weren't "a die hard Gt fan", you were "a die hard Gt career mode fan". There's a crap ton more to GT than it's career mode.

yeahokwhatever358d ago

the online racing IS the career mode. It's literally YOUR career. shhhhhh

Zeke68358d ago (Edited 358d ago )

@itsmebryan
"Why not half for lack of content if like you say it is just a foundation? "

I don't agree with you about lack of content in GT Sport. I was in Beta and that was lacking but still great value for me. With all arcade modes added, plus VR 1 on 1, plus full online experience and so on I say GT Sport is worth full price for sure.
I even preordered the Digital Deluxe edition myself, that's NOT gonna make me a better driver but gives me a few more cars to fool around with ;)
It sound like you're disappointed in the way GT has taken and you kind of take it out on me and others that don't care as much as you do. I'm old enough to have "been there - done that" and my advice for you is: forget GT Sport for a while, buy or try another car game and see if you find the fun in another game or genre of games. Who knows, they might add a campaign down the road and what stops you from coming back to GT Sport and join in on the fun? Nothing. And at that point it's probably even cheaper too ;)
With all the great games out on PS4 AND all the ones on the way - I'm sure you'll find something great to play.
:)

Edito358d ago

Wait until you play and c'mon GT is around for more than 2 decades let's allow them to try something different...

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AspiringProGenji359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

Ha! He said, "Barebones."

itsmebryan358d ago

You don't think it's bare bones compared to the other games on the market?

UCForce358d ago

But Kaz wanted to make a deal with FIA and he was happy because of it. It was his dream after all. He was waiting to get that license for so long.

CoryHG358d ago

It's at the point that these developers can't program A.I. which ruins the offline experience. I think Polyphony may have something right, even though GT Sport isn't Gran Turismo 7, which is still coming.

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Edito358d ago

PC2 has no soul for me and maybe it's just me but the visuals feel a bit off

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Apocalypse Shadow359d ago

This is hilarious. I'm not going to knock their game. But the difference in the two is that someone or some ones can become REAL race car drivers. Not professional video game racers. Real racing can bring in big endorsements and real sponsorships.

**we are pushing initiatives within the automotive and motorsports industries to try and get sponsorships and, secondly, prize money.**

Sound pretty weak trying. Someone with real skill and can translate that to real world vehicles will have a chance to drive professionally. Don't think they're just looking at GT as a game. There will be companies and manufactures looking for test drivers and race drivers. GT already has connections with car companies. And now has connections with the FIA. Belittling the significance of that level is funny.

**they are all using Project Cars to practice**

Lol! Another hilarious statement from them with no proof to back it up. Let's fix their statement...

"E Sport Gamers entering Project Cars tournaments practice with Project Cars."

Which is a "duh" captain obvious statement.

Nacho_Z359d ago

Genuinely curious how many people so far have become professional racers off the back of playing GT?

Fluke_Skywalker359d ago

Can't remember the total but there's at least 3 who are not only real life race winners but championship winners.

UCForce359d ago

@Fluke_Skywalker Now GT Sports have FIA license. Thing going to be interesting.

Dragonscale358d ago

@Fluke, me too the beta was great. The 'career' mode is actually how you get the license. Its a series of disciplines where if you complete it you get the license. Its not like the usual gt.

SierraGuy358d ago

Professional drivers actually use GT as a tool to better themselves and prepare for upcoming races.

Apocalypse Shadow358d ago

I sent you a PM nacho to answer your question.

Knushwood Butt358d ago

Jann Mardenborough did OK at Sugo last weekend in Super Formula.

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freshslicepizza359d ago

Just think, a 12 year old can play this game and become a professional race car driver and they wouldn't even know because so many lie about their age when creating online accounts. Talk about being a wrold class driver!

Polyphony should be embarassed at their output at this point. They keep saying generation after generation that it won't take so long to make their next game. Heck even GT7 was supposed to come out years ago and now they offer this. A bare bones GT game with no real career mode and a one on one VR experience.

What this team has been able to do in just two years time is amazing and when playing in VR it simply blows the competition away.

UCForce359d ago (Edited 359d ago )

GT Sports is the foundation. The new beginning of GT series. This isn't like GT 5 Prologue. You know that, right ? They will post launch content. From what I heard, The DLC in GT Sport will build from ground up.

freshslicepizza358d ago (Edited 358d ago )

@UCForce
"GT Sports is the foundation. The new beginning of GT series. This isn't like GT 5 Prologue. You know that, right ? They will post launch content. From what I heard, The DLC in GT Sport will build from ground up."

Meaning what exactly, that because its a new start they are free from criticism from releasing a game with less cars and less tracks than what others in this field are bringing in way less development time? Is the DLC going to add more A.I. opponents to PSVR or online racing to PSVR? It's not like Polyphony Digital are indie developers with a handful of people.

What you guys keep failing to address is how many other games are out there that also do realistic racing even better but because you guys don't play on the PC it somehow goes unnoticed. GT Sport looks visually impressive, great color and excellent lighting but they seem to care more about photo mode than releasing a full product on time. Plus DLC should never be used to give gamers a full game. It should be used to help extend its lifetime and add bonus content.

eyeDEVOUR358d ago

To be fair most assets from pc2 have been brought over from pc1. Gts is built from the ground up and aims to be future proof. And this is there first game on new hardware. Also, i wouldnt really say that AC,pc1 or pc2 have a real campaigne mode, atleast in the way classic gt did it. I find it interesting that some of the same ppl that defendend the car count on AC and pc1 are complaining about gts's numbers which has a higher count. Alot of double standards. Im glad theyre serious about online mode. I love the physics in AC but when i try to race online, NOBODY actually will race, they just set practice mode to infinity and screw around. Im disappointed a little as well with gts, but im gonna give it a chance and develope my opinions afterward.

UCForce358d ago

Do you really think I'm not aware of this ? I do, but here the thing, this is Kaz wanted and it was his dream after all. He waited this for so long to get this. Sony could ask him to make GT 7, but instead Sony listened Kaz and allow him to made a deal with FIA. Right or wrong, this was his choice and he was freaking happy because of it. I won't blame him on that.

Fluke_Skywalker358d ago

Having been in the beta I can assure you it is far more than you think. I don't know about how deep the career mode will be but I probably won't be touching it anyway. Once you start racing online against quality opposition the thought of racing for nothing against AI opponents doesn't make any sense. Online racing, when it's well matched, is amazing.

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freshslicepizza358d ago (Edited 358d ago )

@eyeDEVOUR
"To be fair most assets from pc2 have been brought over from pc1. Gts is built from the ground up and aims to be future proof. And this is there first game on new hardware"

Their last game took 3 years to make and used old assets as well. GT5 also used old assets and it too took a 5 years in development.

@VenomSnakeRisingX
"Perfection takes a long time. They don't rush out yearly games like some."

Their last game got a 81 on Metacritic, that's a far cry from perfection.

@Fluke_Skywalker
"Having been in the beta I can assure you it is far more than you think. I don't know about how deep the career mode will be but I probably won't be touching it anyway. Once you start racing online against quality opposition the thought of racing for nothing against AI opponents doesn't make any sense. Online racing, when it's well matched, is amazing."

The online will always live and die by its users on any game. Not one game is immune to terrible opponents. Another caveat is GT5 shut down its servers after 3 and a half years after release. GT Sport is largely now based on online play but at least with the old games there was a lot of content to play offline.

UCForce358d ago

You always put down on PS so much. You made a poor statement.

freshslicepizza358d ago

@UCForce
"You always put down on PS so much."

No I don't, Horizon looks great and GT Sport looks great visually. The irony is many of you guys seems to not have a problem with others who constantly put down other platforms.

"You made a poor statement."

Such as what? Everything I said is true.

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Fluke_Skywalker359d ago

I actually like PC2, but having watched the developer sessions on twitch and seen some interviews with them, they come across as a shower of douchebags. Kinda puts you off the game a bit when you think the developers are knob ends.
Anyway until they fix their own game on PC they can keep their mouth shut about other people's games.

Fishy Fingers359d ago

Just read the headline huh...? They don’t say anything negative towards GT, they don’t even mention it.

eyeDEVOUR358d ago

Then this article never should have been approved.

Fluke_Skywalker358d ago

No I didn't read the article, and like eyeDEVOUR said, why was the post even approved if the title is clearly click bait.
I still stand by what I said though.

SlappingOysters358d ago

He says that focusing on getting a real license was the wrong call. Since that is the entire focus of GTSport, that seems like a big negative to me.

Liqu1d358d ago

SMS always take shots at the competition. They used to talk shit on Forza, GT, Assetto Corsa etc. after Pcars 1 released, they're very arrogant and don't take criticism well.

Fishy Fingers359d ago

Taking a swipe might be a bit OTT, PC has been on the esport scene for years, no reason they can’t obtain the same recognition/licensing accreditation’s any other racing sim has.

jaycptza358d ago

They are working with ESL not the FIA. That will stop them faster than a brick wall stopping a Puris

MatrixxGT358d ago (Edited 358d ago )

They didnt have money to build their own game. They had to use crowd funding. Yet they have the ability to get licensing and real accreditations from the big players in the motorsport scene? Haha give me a break. I havent played the second PC but after i bought the first and it was just a subpar experience vs other titles so i have little interest in the game.

Kerppamaister359d ago

This is all irrelevant. Haven't you heard? Hugh Heffner is dead. DEAD!

Gamist2dot0358d ago (Edited 358d ago )

What? He lived a good life and gave his millions to his kids.

Anyway, article/title is blown out of proportion.

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