While the Halo series has faded a bit with age, the Destiny franchise is doing amazingly well. Could one Bungie series be on the verge of surpassing the other? Is Halo about to...wait for it...meet its Destiny?!
Ms has been beating this dead horse for a long time. Time for new ips folks
i know right, why make another game in a series that sells millions when they can release the 13th version of a game like God Of War in 13 years.....i don’t get it
You make a decent point but the difference is that god of war has either stayed the same or improved while halo has been on a slow decline in quality since bungie stopped making it.
Halo may not be the juggernaut it once Was (it has been about 16 years after all) but it's still a force to be reckoned with. It's latest entry, even with it's weak SP has a stellar MP. Destiny's PvP doesn't even come close to scratching it. Halo is long from dead. But 343 need to make sure that the next release is excellent in all areas.
"are you talking microtransactions like in Uncharted 4 and the last of us that were pay to win or like the ones in driveclub and street fighter 5 that are for items that are earnable in game?" "i know right, why make another game in a series that sells millions when they can release the 13th version of a game like God Of War in 13 years.....i don’t get it" That's the second time you've tried to throw punches at ps4 exclusives in as many articles which have no mention or relation to them. How pathetic and desperate. Pretty much sums up xbox fanboys on this site
Poor statement. I will give you this Halo series are still stay strong. But how long is gonna last ? 343i need to understand more about the Halo in term of passion. If you looking back at Halo Bungie and Halo 343i, you knew Bungie was honest about their game and the flaws. 343i have some problems with it. Well, Halo 5 MP is top notch. But the Campaign was mediocre and what worse is that the campaign was also misleading. 343i didn't address it. Here the thing, MS need to let 343 to do a new IP and let the Halo series rest, so it can give them more time to think about making another one.
You don't see a new god of war game every 2 years. The new installment is vastly different then the previous games and unlike MS, Sony doesn't rely on the same 3 franchises every time.
About God Of War series, i did have a criticism about it. And I wad skeptical about Santa Monica making another one. But at E3 2016, it completely changed my mind and blow me away. Because it's look different for good reason. But I can tell you this, new God Of War is a soft reboot.
To be fair, the new GOW looks very different than the previous ones. Almost like a series refresh. They're taking some big risks and it looks like it's paying off.
But the difference is that it's negatively been affecting the series. The new God of War game has taken a huge drastic shift because the developers understand that they cannot just keep doing the same thing they must Revitalize the series and look to become more creative even if it means removing specific Staples Halo have not done that. And I have no clue what God of War has to do with this article......
@tony... "You don't see a new god of war game every 2 years." no but you do see 2 GoW games per PS gen since the PS2. GoW1 & 2 were on PS2 while GoW3 and Ascension were on PS3. Now we will have GoW for PS4 and probably another GoW game before the PS5 (hopefully) but if they take their time like they are with GT (another PS series we have come to expect 2 per console gen) then this could be the first time they break that tradition. Not to mention that there were also 2 games released on PSP. Total number of GoW related games up to this point is 6 with a 7th on the way. As for Halo you had 1 & 2 on the og xbox. 3 & 4 on the 360 while also having a spin off (ODST) and a prequel (Reach) which are non-cannon and then picking up with 5 on xbo. There is likely to be a 6 but that prob wont appear until 2018-19. Total number of Halo related games 7 (9 if you include RTS halo wars).
Halo has been slowly bleeding not entirely because of destiny but because it's becoming more and more of a call of duty clone. Halo used to be an excellent title and a very original game and now it's just an average shooter.
In no way is Halo just an average shooter. Even Halo 5's poor campaign is only poor by Halo standards. And Halo 5's MP is excellent and arguably the best in years.
What about it makes it a clone? Nothing to back that statement up
I think Halo needs a break and 343 needs to make a new intellectual property and maybe Halo needs to just be a once a generation game. Look at what Sega did with Sonic, they recognized something was wrong and focused on correcting it, heck look at what Ubisoft did , they even slowed down in skipped a year releasing Assassin's Creed to refocus efforts on quality of the series I think Microsoft might want to consider this because they're not helping the brand image of Halo by continuously releasing shabby products.
@edmix didn’t know 80+ meta critics were considered shabby games.....
beating a dead horse lmao. Halo 3 was launched 10 years ago. We have had halo 4 and 5 in 10 years, hardly beating a franchise
Don't forget Halo Wars, ODST, Reach, Anniversary, Master Chief collection and Halo Wars 2. That's 8 games in 10 years.
Halo Wars - Different Genre ODST/Reach - Spinoffs (not related to Master Chief or the story) Halo Anniversary/MCC - Remasters which were welcomed by the halo fanbase Try harder
It doens't matter if they're spin offs or not. They're still Halo games and part of the franchise. 8 games in 10 years is milking.
So why did you ignore Halo Reach and Halo ODST?
@tony, if i may be so bold. God of War would also be considered milking due to having 12 games (soon to be 13) in the span of 12 years (GoW release in 05). And you complain about Halo having 13 games in 16 years (Halo released in 01)? My numbers include every iteration of both (including mobile and portable and remasters/compilations). The only other game series i can think of that exceeds both would be GT with something like 15 releases over the course of its 20 year lifetime.
@Darth That wont count on here as its a PS franchise, it only counts if its something Microsoft related lol. I only class something as being milked if its copy/paste every iteration. Putting a franchise into different genres is not milking. Its expanding on a franchise.
The problem is Halo's quality declined and Destiny's went up with the improvements in the latest game, despite that, I don't consider Destiny a Halo killer, the developers are just favoring it over Halo at this point in time (I still feel that Destiny doesn't quite compete in the same space as Halo).
There are a few elements in Destiny that are "borrowed" from Halo which is to be expected as they were the same developer. Either way i like both games and hoping that Halo 6 is better than 5. I didnt mind 5 and so far have every Halo released. COD is milking a franchise you get a new one every year by 3 different developers
Halo 5 had the best multiplayer of the entire franchise, the best and most in depth Forge (which is huge for me personally) in the franchise, all of the DLC was free as not to segment the community, the best graphic in the franchise and the story campaign was ‘meh’ because people wanted to play as Master Chief. Seems like a pretty easy fix to me. I’m hoping Microsoft has Joseph Staten working on the H6 campaign and pull Marty O'Donnell back into the studio to score the next soundtrack. Halo 5 may have only sold about 5 million copies but that doesn’t mean the franchise is going snywhere anytime soon.
Yet it has the best support for online content on a platform that has the best online experience. PS doesn't have a single exclusive that matche Halos strongest points
Anyone saying halo is dead is just plain wrong. Yes single player was a low point. I agree. But halo 5 MP is and still will be top notch. Maybe not the best out there, but it is still insanely fun, and lobbies are always full.
Halo 5 is still one of the best MP games on the market right now and miles ahead of Destiny in MP. Not to mention free DLC and post launch support every month. It has still sold 5 million copies, not even close to a dead horse. https://www.youtube.com/wat... And the community is still alive and well. You can't do these things in any FPS game (other than Far cry maybe, but that's not MP focused game).
I agree I would say that Halo killed itself.
it's still successful but not like Destiny. Destiny expanded to another console. All this means is that Bungie are gods and were gods back during the Halo days and and one of the very best. FACTS. Can't argue with facts. The numbers are there for Destiny and were there for Halo.
Gears of War is the last Microsoft exclusive keeping me with the Xbox.
i enjoyed halo reach coop,but its a stale game and hated the online of everyone jumping round like tigger
2 completely different games genre
fps and fps?
Destiny is rpg.
"They both have guns. They must be exactly the same and direct competitors"
@chano Destiny barely qualitfies as an RPG. "Oh you level up, must be a full deep RPG"...not how it works. It's a FPS with light RPG mechanics or was I imagining it being in first person the whole time?
? Halo isn't an RPG and I put well over 80 hours in the first Destiny and can very much tell you indeed it is a RPG. The elements in regards to RPG is not light, you are very much leveling up and the class of your character is definitely having real effects on bosses and enemies in the game. Fallout and Elder Scrolls can be played in first person are you telling me that means they're no longer RPGs? The perspective of a game actually has very little to do with the genre..
Remember how last decade so many developers tried to create an alleged "Halo Killer." How do you think they'd react if you told them in the future that the people who came closest to making a "Halo Killer" were the creators of Halo itself?
The Destiny games haven't really reviewed better than 343i Halo games. The Destiny games seem to hold players longer, but they are more casual and less competitive than the Halo games. In this current-era of gaming, it is generally shooters with a lot of skill-gap compression that hold players the longest. Lastly, Halo and Destiny are pretty different games, one is a Sci-fi military shooter, with arena focused mp, while the other is sci-fantasy, with a stronger emphasis on PVE.
I think you're being so defensive, you're missing the point.
343I did a pretty good job of that themselves.
But not good enough. MS need to let 343 to do their own thing by creating new IP.
Absolutely agreed They're draining this team to death making the same thing over and over again. If Microsoft doesn't allow this team to make a new intellectual property clearly they're going to divide themselves and go to a publisher that will.
I'm digging D2 very much!
Master_chief,an iconic character, the face of Xbox. Halo did wonders for FPS on console. It actually made an impact on the genre in the console space. When FPS what thought not to be functional on a controller. What Halo along with XBL on OG XBOX did for console gaming is historic. Destiny is Activation's youngest cash cow alongside COD ^_^. When a series is long running there's bound to be a hiccup in the franchise. Every franchise has had that happen. Metroid:other M . . GOW: Ascension . . Halo 5 . . FF13? People are still looking for a 'Halo killer' on consoles in 2017. That say a lot about Halo.
I'm not even touch Destiny 2 for what it is. But I can tell you this, MS need to let 343 to do another new IP and new mascot. Look at GG, they made Horizon Zero Dawn and it became Sony Flagship. Aloy is new PS icon. I even dare to said GG is better than 343 and Bungie combined.
Your everywhere spreading this message. Answer is not gonna happen. 343 as a studio is huuuge, you ever wonder how theyre able to drop mainline halo games with spin offs on mobile and games like halo wars/odst is because they have e a giant team dedicated to halo. Doesn't matter whether you like it or not but that's like telling the Zelda botw team to stop working on it and make something new. Which isn't bad by any means but there's just games out there that require much time and dedication, especially the halo series since it reaches past just video games. There's the huge lore with the books that unfortunately don't write/green light themselves. There's the toys and etc, there's actually always been a lot going on with the halo brand that 343 is garunteed to not have time to even make a new game, if they want to they'll just do a spin off with halo lore and all that just like wars if they reaaaaly want to step out of the fps genre, but as of rn us halo fan outweigh people like you since there's still a lot of us, worst selling halo game is still one of the best selling exclusives, I'm not suprised MS doesn't want the team that handles the 1 game that carried them through generations to go on hiatus, just like Mario and shit but that shouldn't be hard to make that comparison shit explains itself. And yeah, keep daring because no.
@vj27 It's about being old and new. I will wait until MS decide let 343 to do their own things.
@vj Bungie made ODST. Not 343i
@vj-wait a minute? Why are you desperately fighting to keep them making the same thing? If anything Microsoft could just split the team so that way you keep getting Halo with the team is still able to make a new intellectual property please stop getting so defensive and fighting against your own better interest, I've never seen somebody so desperate to not have something brand new. Mind you many people are actually not suggesting to stop making it permanently simply slow down the releases and focus on something else did we not get Killzone and Horizon zero Dawn? Did we not see a Sly Cooper 4 on top of getting Infamous? Did Insomniac not make resistance fall of Man last Generation while continuing the Ratchet & Clank Series? So why are you so desperate to make this argument an either or to conveniently push some narrative? How about support both. Mind you, nowhere in this comment that He suggests to stop making Halo permanently.
That's nice but that's completely irrelevant to what people are talking about in regards to its current state. What it "was" is not going to keep selling it in the future , that's just not how technology Works , Sony was also a Pioneer when making the Walkman that doesn't mean they're going to be beating out iPhones today. Who would be caring to beat Halo? Halo technically beat itself especially when you have the likes of Battlefront Battlefield Call of Duty Destiny and many more outselling Halo. Soooooo yea, those days are over.
Because I happen to be a huge fan of the "Same thing", that's like saying they should stop making final fantasy games and go off do something new for better or worse, but we all know that's never going to happen. I know you guys wouldn't admit it or just lack knowledge of it but a loooot of time and resources go to making mainline halo games, and for the other commenter who's screaming bungie made odst well no shit. And to the guy whos mentioning sly Cooper and infamous I don't remember seeing them handle books/lore/community blogs and events/movies (I think there was a sly Cooper movie wasn't there? Swear there was but still it was probably just one and headed by Sony who actually makes movies on a daily basis)/tvshows. Ik he's not saying stop making mainline halo games but all im saying is that I highly doubt that, I'm just being realistic hence why I listed all the shit that 343 does they don't just make videogames for Christ sake. Not sure why everyone's getting so pissy about that, it is what it is. 343 isn't a naughty dog, they aren't a sucker punch, they're not 1000% sole a video game developer. Look it up. I'm not arguing for only making halo games and nothing else, pretty sure I said I wouldn't mind either way, all I'm saying is it's not going to happen. You have a better chance of turn 10 making something new than 343 does. I'm just not a blind optimistic. It is what it is.
Halo is not dead as a franchise it just needs to evolve and it can do into a fair amount of genres. Halo wars is still a very successful RTS though I think the fps has sinked somewhat. To say Destiny has pretty much killed halo though is a very blinded statement to make. Destiny I would call brilliant. I've certainly learnt to not trust either Activision and bunjie after I felt so ripped off by the game in many ways as well as how they showed how inexperienced they are. The problem with halo as an fps it now needs to bring a game out every five years or so. Halo as an mmorpg could succeed whether its a third or first person could work very well, Halo has God knows how many games that have deep history and lore in that can easily aid the development and evolvment of halo into a fully fledged mmorpg. Halo is the type of game that can evolve and find success, because many will take notice because of its brand name that's been built up. If ms thought about it and chose to develop halo into something much more than just a typical shooting fps then they could see success again. Where as I have only enjoyed the halo wars franchise and have not halo fps, I would however go wild for an Halo mmorpg. You only have to see anthem and the hype that has generated for that game. Mmorpg's usually are the fantasy type, it's rare to see the sci-fi mmorpg's done to the extent like what guild wars,wow, rift, final fantasy online, psu. I think ms still have a few cards to play to bring the halo name back to the top, but will they play those cards and think of evolving Halo into what it should be now or needs to be that is the question. But let's keep stupid thoughts of Destiny killed halo out. Halo had problems before the first Destiny came out and Destiny isn't nothing to do with halo apart from one game shares an ex developer. Besides in some months the community will start dieing again on destiny for a while because the games gone boring, people have completed most of what's available and they arnt releasing dlc fast enough and other games have been released.
Halo is snuffing itself out year after year. The "Ringworld" story approach was cool but its legacy and lore aren't going above anymore. After 343 butchered the story in 4 and 5,I was left wondering why should I care. The plot is now so hammy I could take the script and toss it with a scrambled egg and a cup of coffee for a decent breakfast.Why should I care what the Arbiter,Chief or Cortana do anymore since 343 decided to focus on the MP which has remained the same since 3. Destiny is not a factor,its merely another option if you like FPS games. 343 should focus on the Mp,someone else fix the campaign before its pure nonsense
Why does it have to kill it?? Both can exist setbthe same time No??
With this site's obsession with Sony killing MS, it comes as no surprise that the general consensus around here is that only 1 type of game or console should exist at a time
It's why I've severely reduced the comments I make. Mostly uninteresting. It doesn't even make sense to want to kill it off. As someone who is a big fan of Destiny, and think halo (campaign, MP is fantastic) has gone to shit since 343 took over, I think it's a ridiculous notion to think it should be Destinys goal to kill halo or to even think it would be great of it did. You'd swear people didmt like games 😂
Neither game is a Sony game, though,so how does that even make sense? Quit starting shit you claim to take issue with.
@G2 My point wasn't that either game is Sony, its that the site has a mentality of "there can only be one! Competition can't co-exist, and one has to beat the other!" I used the example of how a lot of people on this site want MS/Xbox to collapse just because they don't like Xbox. I didn't intend for it to come across that Destiny/Halo has anything to do with either publisher, just using the example to illustrate a point
I don't even like Halo, but even I can admit its far from a dead franchise. The only reason why its doesn't appear to be as big as it once was in the gaming space is due to the vast amount of casual players that have moved on from the series. They're too busy playing shit like Destiny or Destiny 2, PUBG, Overwatch, etc. Halo is just a series that appeals to the core gamers these days and that's not a bad thing at all. Though it can be noted that Microsoft artificially drove part of the audience to fatigue with the series, they put out too many games under the Halo Brand.
No, both games are different in so many ways. Halo has better lore and is a bigger universe. Destiny has RPG elements which halo does not. Both games should be judged on their own merit and both games have their own fanbase and are good games in their own way.
Halo has been dead since ODST. That being said, I could name many games better than Destiny.
Naw, halo is killing halo just fine it doesnt need any help. The same can also be said for gears of war. Bungie basically made a game similar to halo but did everything better... Hell most would agree destiny 1 is better than than the last 2 halos and destiny 2 is not even a contest but an udder bloodfest beatdown when comparing it to halo 5. There is 1 thing halo 5 did deliver on and that was the mp... But when you factor its negatives (shit story/bad single player) is the reason halo is going down the drain... If you make a halo and the s.p. and story suck ppl will bitch because halo used to have all 3. I LOVED the first 3 and i hope they can make halo 6 a huge success but if its 343 devs making 6 it may not matter how great it actually is... Most people that were diehard halo fans from xbox gen 1 and 2 have simply just moved on... When uncharted 4 outsells halo 5, halo wars 2, gears of war 4, quantum break, sunset overdrive, and recore... Things are not looking good for ms 1st partys. Thats 1 game performing better than 6... If halo 6 isnt a huge success i just cant see ms dumping massive funds to make another halo... It will just turn into a bigger meh fest
Played the beta on PC and PS4 and wont be buying it. Every time I hear somebody put Destiny in same sentence as Halo I smh. Destiny just came out to no competition from any other games and already there is simply nothing to even talk about anymore because its the same boring game as the first. When playing Destiny all it does it reminds you of how better Halo is. I feel sorry for people that cant play Halo and have to settle for something like Destiny.
You can shake your head all day long if you want but halo used to sell +5 million in a week and now nowhere near those numbers lifetime sales... The majority of xb users used to thrive on halo and gears of war but now they thrive elsewhere when you look at the declining sales since halo 1, 2 and 3 and gears 1 and 2...
Where did I say anything about Halo sales? I am discussing the topic which is Halo vs Destiny. Learn to read. Now as for Halo sales, Prove to me that Halo 5 did not do well on Xbox One. I BET YOU THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT. /Waiting
@Vasto. using VG Chartz, so some numbers wont be truly accurate, the Xbox sold approx 24 Million units, Halo sold approx 6.5 Million units so that is just over a 25% attach rate. Halo 2 sold approx 9 million units bringing the attach rate to just under 40% Xbox 360 sold approx 86 million units, Halo 3 sold approx 12 million units makign its attach rate 14% Halo ODST sold 6 million units, attach rate of 7% Halo Reach sold 10 million units giving it an attach rate of 11% Halo 4 sold 10 million units, 11% attach rate Xbox one has sold approx 35 million units Halo 5 has sold 5 million units 14% Halo is bobbing around the same attach rate of Halo 3, arguably the best in the series, the only real difference is if MS can continue selling the halo games as more people but their consoles. EDIT: so just o be clear, im nto bashing, just putting out some "facts" for both sides to use as they see