Cross Play among multiple platforms has been in gamer's dreams for a long time. Only PlayStation stands in front of this idea from becoming full reality.
Except they have allowed cross play with PC with no problem and there's Dragon Quest with other consoles too
"PlayStation should give Xbox advantages that doesn't benefit PlayStation much". Sony should put PlayStation exclusives on Xbox also because that'll benefit Xbox gamers and be detrimental to Sony but at least it's good for gamers. S/
True to an extent. I don't think we'd lose anything if Minecraft were Crossplay: PS4 X and Switch. There are other games that would also benefit from cross play. However, what you say has merit as well.
What advantage is PlayStation giving Xbox with cross play? It will only be third party games that are multiple platform already.
The advantage of not having to buy and PS4 to play with your friends.
Basically. Sounds like XB gamers care more about playing with PS4 gamers then even getting games
@thorstein It's the fact that Microsoft wants to put Xbox Live on other platforms in order to do Cross Play. They want Xbox Live which is a version of Windows to be a service they put on everything.
@itsmebryan How much money do you think Sony put into making PSN the preferred place to play?
@Pistol that was only for minecraft and that is because its a MS game and that allows purchases to be crossplatform smart guy. Where are the MS accounts for Rocket League?
Dunno, I'm PS4 and would gladly welcome Xbox players. Even better if we can get 5-10 friends from another network on our PSN accounts. What's wrong with more players? You guys don't have Xbox friends?
@OMGitzThatGuy Trust that Rocket League on the Nintendo Switch will need to use Xbox Live to log in because Rocket League uses Microsoft Cross Network. And of course it makes sense that out of all the games that Microsoft could buy they purchase a game that was on most platforms and even extend to the title to platforms the game was previously never going to release on.
Microsoft only wants to allow cross play with Playstation users who have signed into an Xbox Live account. That's why it's stupid for Sony to try and work with them. The problem isn't Sony. The problem is Microsoft.
"Where are the MS accounts for Rocket League?" Lol, we don't know yet. Isn't cross play between Xbox and Switch on Minecraft and Rocket Leagues not even actually available yet. It's funny because people are talking since E3 as if it can be done right right now. Rocket League isn't even out on Switch and Cross Play launched last week on Minecraft WITHOUT the Switch support.
You are awesome for that post. Even though I see no rebuttal but folks will try.
I believe Sony looks at it from the point of people being able to play with friends. If most have a PlayStation there is pressure on those with an Xbox to buy PlayStation if they want to play with their friends. If you can already play with them without a PlayStation you might not bother. It makes good business sense for Sony not to do it. They should just say that.
@pistol (and others) I know that. I wasn't talking about that. I was simply stating that it would be great to allow players to play Minecraft, no matter the platform. Weird that the statement I agree with gets 100+ agrees but I ended up with 2. Reading comprehension people, reading comprehension.
"Needs" is the wrong term. "Should" is more like it as they really dont need to do anything but it would be nice if they did. Last gen, Balmer (head of MS) was only concerned with destroying sony (and failed) so maybe it was because of him that relations are somewhat broken today despite MS having a new head that is open to such things. If MS and Nintendo can come to some sort of accord then no reason Sony and MS can't either. It's all politics
The message is still the same and Microsoft is trying to monopolize the online presence. Period. The spokes person/s are nothing but makeup. Microsoft want crossplay, then approach Sony and ask them what the stipulations are and agree. Not the other way around.
@rude-ro, "approach Sony and ask them what the stipulations are and agree." that would be all well and good, provided the offer was still on the table (from Sony last gen).
@Rude-ro Thank God that someone else does some research. Tim Sweeney talked about UWP a long time ago. What most people forget is that XBox Live is a modified version of Windows.
"If MS and Nintendo can come to some sort of accord then no reason Sony and MS can't either. " Not quite the same thing. It was mutually beneficial for both MS and Ninty to do cross play (with one single game) because of the lower player counts (especially Switch). Plus you have to look at how Nintendo aren't quite direct competition as they were a couple gens ago, the Switch is almost it's own thing. Also, I don't recall MS and Ninty ever having big beef like MS did/does with Sony or Sony does/did with Ninty.
I agree with you but i really don't see how this would benefit Sony.
Here's a theory.. do you guys ever think that.. because of the amount of players on psn vs xboxlive have now a huge gap between the two.. a lot of people who are on xbox have friends on playstation.. and so are considering making the move to playstation for the larger user base.. xboxlive has less players.. so people who like multiplayer will want to be on the network with the bigger user base to enjoy their MP. so technically speaking.. if sony allowed cross play with xbox, then xbox can continue to maintain their user base rather than losing them to sony.. but why would sony want that? sony wants to reign supreme over xbox thus making sense that they would not allow cross play.. xbox is losing and it will remain that way as long as they lock it down. again just a theory.
I dont believe the gap is as large as people think. If i recall... the number of PS+ members (not just PSN members) is around 25-26+ million. Which happens to be about the same amount of Gold members (not just xbl members) @ 25-26+ million. Not every PS4 unit sold equates to a PS+ membership same as with the XBO units. There are a number of users who have purchased multiple units of PS4 as well as XBO. Still... it could make for some interesting multiplayer events. Pitting these two camps against each other could be financially sound to both Sony and MS. Now i don't know what percentage of gamers subscribe to both services but that is also a possibility just as it's possible for there to be a percentage of gamers who have both a PS4 and XBO but only subscribe to just one of these services.
@seniyah... this is the info as of March this year. https://www.dualshockers.co... XBL Gold members accounts for nearly half (or more) of all XBL members due to the requirement of Gold for multiplayer so it isnt that far off base to say the paid member count is pretty even on both services.
I think we're at a point in the generation where console migration is probably not really that much of a significant concern. For the most part, if people were that concerned with playing with their friends, they probably would have determined what to get long ago. Maybe some of the newcomers coming in with more hardcore friends who already jumped in, but I doubt those people are so fussed with console preference to really be fussed about which console to get, and I doubt cross play would be much of a determining factor for them There is some merit to going with the system with a larger online presense for those that like MP though. However, given that Sony has almost all the major MP games on lock with their marketing deals means that cross play probably wouldn't be much of a factor for new buyers. When it comes to cross play, there is this ongoing fallacy that you can play with your friends. As of right now, there are only a few limited games which let you connect directly to your friends, mostly MMO's. Hoping that cross play somehow enables playing with friends, when it actually doesn't, would lead to a very disappointed person if they assumed it'd be possible and they brought a different console than their friends. Anyhow, it's hard to say if cross play would have any noticeable effect on console sales. It's an untested metric. PC/PS3 cross play didn't cause any sort of mass migration, and while they are separate markets, the other parts about playing with friends and stuff.
@darthv72 "XBL Gold members accounts for nearly half (or more) of all XBL members due to the requirement of Gold for multiplayer so it isnt that far off base to say the paid member count is pretty even on both services." Do you have anything to back this up? Every Windows 10 user is counted as a XBL member by MS now since an XBL account is created when you create a log-in account. No way 1/2 of every XBL member is gold...
@tfj, i do not but your assumption would also be inaccurate due to the info provided by dualshockers about there being over 52+ million xbl members. If w10 required the creation of an xbl account then that number would be significantly higher considering the adoption rate of w10. The last info was related to xb members and at the peak of gold the rate was greater than 60% it has now dropped to about 50% paid memberships.
That's the reason. Sony has absolutely nothing to gain and Microsoft will reap all the benefits while doing nothing.
@Rainslacker I am hoping that Sony are waiting until such a time as they can offer cross-play properly, with the social features gamers have apparently come to take for granted. Friends lists, parties, and chat at the very least. At the moment the Rocket League devs are building their own cross-platform party system which is great, but having devs re-build these features on a per-game basis defeats a lot of what is good about the console experience. If Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo etc can collaborate on a cross-platform play and social feature integration/toolkit it'd be perfect for gamers and devs alike. It might not seem very advantageous for Sony right now, but lest we forget the PS4 roared to success on the back of the message that Sony built it for devs and #4ThePlayers. Gotta be some merit and some wisdom in that philosophy, right?
@darth Sure, those PS+ numbers are accurate, the Gold ones are not tho, they aren't known. Let's look at the total number of Xbox Ones sold (which isn't actually known but some companies believe they do know), that's about the number of PS+ subscribers. You think each and every Xbox One owner subscribes to Gold? Perhaps the percentage is higher with Xbox, but it certainly isn't 100%... That's highly doubtful
@arena, you are forgetting there are people who still play online with the 360. since my comment was about PS+ and Gold then it encompasses those who pay to play online not those who ONLY pay to play on xbo and ps4.
@AspiringProGenji truth in the booth
People forget about that because they don't actually care about cross play, and if I had to guess, probably didn't realize most of the time if they were playing a cross play game. Cross play has certainly never affected the sales of a game, and it's rarely discussed when it's been available in the past for any particular game. Usually just a press release which goes under the radar, if anything at all.
Doesn't that undercut the argument that crossplay would hurt Sony's business, though? If it has no effect on sales, then what's the issue? Surely it wouldn't go even further and impact console and subscription sales? All the more reason to just let it happen for the minority who think it's a good idea.
I suppose it does undercut it. But I've never been one to say that it would hurt their business. Maybe some really insignificant amount, but it probably balances out on the opposite side of things where people wouldn't buy another system to play with their friends. Otherwise, I'm of the belief that it is neither good or bad from a business standpoint. Granted, what I believe may not be the same reasoning these console makers would have, so can't say if they feel one way or the other from a business perspective. I'm all for it happening, despite my normal comments on the subject. I'm actually indifferent if it does happen or not though. I see no downside from the player base side of things, don't feel there is any real business reason to prevent it. I do feel there may be other more internal concerns that could be holding it up within the companies themselves, or they just aren't really trying that hard to communicate to make it happen, or the possibility that one is actively just saying no just because they can or feel there is some problem that they aren't comfortable with.
I can appreciate that, and I wasn't insinuating that you were one of the "got to think of the business" protesters. I do agree that it wouldn't greatly impact sales. Any negative effect on console or PSN sales would easily be negated by the positive of Sony marketing the PS4 as the only console you need, even if you play with friends on Xbox. Indifference is fair imo. Your comments on the issue are well taken. I'll never understand why some consumers act so zealously about a feature that at worst has no effect on them, and at best makes some gamers' experience more enjoyable.
they really don't need to. gamers don't need crossplay. it's not a necessity at all
Pretty much, you know you're dominating a generation when the opposition's Most Wanted feature is simply playing with your community. Smh Sad
@generic-user-name Nintendo plays nice with Microsoft because they don't have a competing online.
Let me fix it: "Xbox needs Playstation to allow cross play"
“PlayStation Needs to Let Cross-Play Happen“ Most people buy the console that thier friends play on in the first place. Cross-Play is overrated. Microsoft wouldn’t even bring cross-play up if their userbase was larger.
"Most people buy the console that thier friends play on in the first place" Most people actually have more than 2 friends. "Cross-Play is overrated" No its not. "Microsoft wouldn’t even bring cross-play up if their userbase was larger." Right...
Defend them all you want. I hope Sony never gives into this crap. We all know you’re just using this against Sony to make Microsoft look good and Sony bad.
"Defend them all you want. I hope Sony never gives into this crap" You hope they dont give into giving us a feature that benefits gamers? What kind of corporate tool are you? "We all know you’re just using this against Sony to make Microsoft look good and Sony bad." Yeah because you're defending this for all the right reasons eh? I critiqued MS when it didn't have crossplay with Rocket League initially. And ANYONE who supports Sony in denying this needs to get their heads examined. Unless they are shareholders of course.
*Sony also offered it this gen at launch with ff14 but MS refused.* But let's forget all that and overblow it now because... reasons.
Well septic , MS refused cross play last gen when the 360 had a large user base. I'm curious why MS decided against cross play last gen .Could it be for the same reason why Sony isn't interested in it this gen ?
If it's for the same BS reasons it was a shitty move then too
You go ahead and ask anyone if they're buying a console for crossplay.
If anyone is buying a console for cross play?? Does that even make sense to you? You do realise the point of cross play is that it doesn't matter which one you buy? It removes the artificial barrier that exists.
And here he is again, damagecontrolling and stealhttrolling, again.. Just stop Septic, whe know your agenda, defending Microsoft like always.
Cross play is over rated. It's not needed or required thanks. I don't think sony needs to do anything with this feature. I won't have an impact if it was on playstation, just encourage more BS fan boys to talk like 10 year olds online. It woukd be rooms full of muted players in the end, pointless.
@infected "Defend them all you want." Says the guy making excuses up for Sony. "I hope Sony never gives into this crap." Spoken like a true gamer. "We all know you’re just using this against Sony to make Microsoft look good and Sony bad." So you admit it does make Sony look bad? And it's funny because we all know if this were reversed (like last gen with FF) you and others would be waving your fist at MS saying how they are killing the industry. "Microsoft wouldn’t even bring cross-play up if their userbase was larger." Pretty sure they would. And if they didn't the Ark devs, Rocket League devs, Tekken devs and others who want this also would too. But yea, good on Sony for not giving in to this horrible idea of cross play.
@Seniyah "Dev's wanted cross-play last gen when Microsoft was the one blocking it." Which devs were those? I particularly only remember the FF dev wanting it for the FF MMO. And I remember every hardcore Sony fan saying how MS is ruining the industry for not allowing it. I guess Sony fans got over it real quick this gen.
@gangsta: “And I remember every hardcore Sony fan saying how MS is ruining the industry for not allowing it...” Can you provide links to all of these alleged comments you are referring to?
@Ziggurcat http://n4g.com/news/1306591... http://n4g.com/news/1793171... Just a couple that *I remember* with a quick google search. By the way where are those links for those alleged Nintendo holding back stock since you're so fond of deflection?
"Defiance", thats a.shooter that released on both 360 and PS3 that MS refused to allow crossplay. Had to do with some promised high quality online experience that they couldnt promise elsewhere; being PSN.
Wow that second link and Spacerangers comments and that of others are interesting 😁 YOU GUYS! When will you guys learn and start listening to me eh? 😊
@gangsta: sorry, no... none of the links you cited shows anyone saying anything even close to "MS is ruining the industry." where are the comments from people saying exactly what you are accusing them of saying? deflection? I asked a question directly related to what you wrote. that's not deflection, that's addressing an unsubstantiated accusation, and holding you accountable to your statements.
The xbox fanboys of this site are just like that @ziggurcat. You shouldn't be surprised
@Ziggurcat " I asked a question directly related to what you wrote." And I provided links where comments are blaming MS for not playing ball, was it LITERALLY saying they are ruining the industry, don't be stupid. The fact that you are asking only me to provide links/proof but not Seniyah to do the same of who exactly is a hardcore MS fan, who is begging and only using this against Sony is only more proof of you deflecting, and desperately turning a topic into something else entirely. Why is that Ziggurcat? You asked a question for something I, myself, specifically remembered, why i need to show proof is beyond me as it's not out of the realm of possibility considering the nature of this site. And especially when you have done the same and not provided any shred of evidence (hence the Nintendo comment) for your past accusations. But do you have any comment on the actual topic that we are discussing now? Do you have an opinion or anything else that has to do with the main topic of this conversation crossplay? Instead of desperately trying to cherry pick and focus on one part of what i said?
@gangsta: "And I provided links where comments are blaming MS for not playing ball, was it LITERALLY saying they are ruining the industry, don't be stupid. " you said "every hardcore Sony fan" was saying MS was "ruining the industry" for not allowing cross play for FF. that's the statement you made. and not a single one of the comments in your two links has anyone saying MS was ruining the industry. so where are those alleged comments? "Do you have an opinion or anything else that has to do with the main topic of this conversation crossplay?" what I asked has everything to do with the topic of discussion. "You asked a question for something I, myself, specifically remembered, why i need to show proof is beyond me..." clearly your memory has failed you if none of the comments in any of your links says anything close to what you supposedly remember. "The fact that you are asking only me to provide links/proof but not Seniyah to do the same..." @seniyah: do you have evidence to support the claim that every thread is just the hardcore MS fans begging, and trying to use this against Sony? there you go.
agree with you. I bought a PS4 because all my family and friends have one. Why would we give a shit if we could play online with xbox.
I know right. If we wanted to play with XB or Nintendo gamers ,we would have bought those systems.
If it doesn't affect you, then step aside for those that DO want it. You're not harmed by its presence, nor is Sony. No one's going to abandon playing on PS4 just because they can play with buddies regardless of system. This just opens up more options for players that like the idea of playing a game with any buddies they've ever made regardless of their console allegiances. Standing in the way so obstinantly just makes the entire PS4 fanbase look like a bunch of elitist tools that think they're "too good" to play with anyone else. It's like those high-nosed nobles in reincarnation fiction novels, who act all high and mighty before getting curb-stomped. You guys are those nobles now, just like Microsoft was last gen. Stand down or stand aside, but don't stand in the way. Nobody likes arrogant nobles.
>Brags about crossplay during PS3 gen >Brags about crossplay during the beginning of the PS4 >MS decides crossplay is also a good idea >"Crossplay is overrated, MS is just doing it to make Sony look bad!"
>downplays crossplay on PS2 >downplays crossplay on PSP >downplays crossplay on PS3 >downplays crossplay on PS Vita >downplays crossplay on PS4 at the start of the gen.... >MS decides crossplay is also a good idea MID GEN >Crossplay is IS A MUST HAVE OMG, Sony is just doing it to make MS look bad!"
Only once have I seen cross play really talked about this gen before MS started talking about it, and that was with Rocket League. I wouldn't really call it bragging, and I don't even recall much talk about MS not allowing it. Last gen, I saw it brought up from time to time....maybe every 2-3 months in some opinion article, and mostly centered around FFXI, but beyond that, nowhere near as much fuss as we see now with 2-3 articles a week, and MS droning on about it, despite Sony only ever mentioning it twice to my recollection for the entirety of last gen. There is a huge disparity between the reactions and media attention over this topic from last gen(and up to about a year ago), and the past year or so since MS decided to say they're all for it and trying to play the good guy in every way possible, despite them likely knowing what issues would prevent Sony from saying yes. it's really at the point where I wish Sony would give a real reason beyond their family friendly spin of essentially the same thing MS said last gen. Would be great to know more details, just so this whole discussion would get out of the rut it's in, and maybe make people realize that Sony isn't quite as evil as some people are making them out to be.