ThisGenGaming says "Craig Duncan of Rare is not a fan of bringing back old IP's people loved with updated visuals, and think it's the worst thing for Rare to do."
I gotta highly disagree with Rare. It's a gamers dream to play an older game that was released years ago with current gen visuals. Remakes are what every fan should want done to old games from the past. Even remasters are accepted if the port isn't a lazy one.
Old games have their own charms and give their own experiences. You completely destroy that by updating it.
Right......that's why Crash Bandicoot the N Sane Trilogy sold like crazy. Because they ruined it with all those upgraded graphicz n chit. Got it.
@ChickeyCantor I disagree, a lot of old games can still be amazing today with a new coat of paint, and more features added to them. Look Crash, Yakuza Kiwami, and FF7 Remake, these are all older games remade to look and play better and with the exception for FF7R (because it's not out yet) they seem to be successful. I'd kill for a remake of some of Rare's best IP's with better graphics, leave the mechanics and physics untouched, but polish, improve on the art style, and build upon what made it good in the first place. Heck even games like Sonic Mania show people want some old experiences with a touch of new.
Dont like remakes = don't play them = experience not ruined. They are good for the majority of people who do like them, aswell as younger gamers who never got the chance to play the original.
He thinks it's the worst thing for rate to do because the real rare dev team left Long ago and took that rare magic with them
>that's why Crash Bandicoot the N Sane Trilogy sold like crazy. What does this have to do with anything? I'm saying you destroy the original experience. > Because they ruined it with all those upgraded graphicz n chit. Got it. Now you're just being dumb. >Dont like remakes = don't play them = experience not ruined. And I don't play them. What I'm saying is that people will not look for the original but play the remaster/remake which is destroying the experience of the game as it used to be. > a lot of old games can still be amazing today I'm not disagreeing with that. Read above. >Rare's best IP's with better graphics, They tried and they were mediocre at best. >Heck even games like Sonic Mania show people want some old experiences with a touch of new. But Sonic Mania is a continuation of a series.
You calling AnubisG dumb, shows how wrong you are, remastering a game does not destroy the charm nor the experience if done right. Like Anubis said Crash N. Sane is a prime example of that.
Yup, why would I want to play a Sonic game just like the other past Sonic games? That's why I never bought Sonic Mania why would I want to play more of what I love? /s No I mean buddy I'm having an extremely hard time trying to understand how you playing a remaster or a remake or another version of a game is somehow destroying another game 😂😂😂
Don't forget, remasters/remakes give the new generation the chance to experience it, or for those who missed out on it the first time, they can now play it. Especially those games that became rare for one reason or another.
Look Chickey, you are just plain wrong. If they remake a game it does not ruin the original. You can play the original just the same and it will be the same experience. So this logic you have is wrong. Most gamers and I mean 99.9999999999% of gamers like graphics and would revisit old games if they got graphical upgrades. Oddworld New N Tasty, Crash Bandicoot N Sane Trilogy, Resident Evil 1 anf soon 2. People love this stuff because of nostalgia and these games sell well. So the market sais that you are wrong. You can say that you don't like it but saying that a graphical upgrade destroys it is just plain wrong. You called me dumb, yet you don't understand anything. Ironic.
Lets put this into some perspective. Taking a single game and remaking/remastering it is one thing. but taking several and combining them into a nice compilation is something else. The best remasters (to me anyway) are those that do the later. Ratchet and clank collection, master chief collection, ico/sotc collection, rare replay.... all of which were older games and given a fresh coat of paint and compiled together to make a great fan service collection. these one off's... not so much. which is why I didnt care for god of war 3 remastered or last of us remastered or gears of war ultimate because they are singled out titles that were already great to begin with. I will even pass on the SotC remake coming out later because it is a single remake of an already remastered classic. In regards to the crash example that anubis mentioned... perhaps it sold so well not on just the basis that it was a remaster but that it was a compilation of 3 beloved crash games on one disc. you just get more bang for the buck when they do it this way and I fully support THOSE type of remaster/remakes.
Completely destroyed IF done wrong. Starcraft Remaster is a shining example of a remaster done right. Crash Bandicoot is an example of a remake done right.
>You calling AnubisG dumb, shows how wrong you are, remastering a game does not destroy the charm nor the experience if done right. Like Anubis said Crash N. Sane is a prime example of that. Still missing the point. you're right, you guys aren't dumb, it's beyond that. >You can play the original just the same And how many people will actually play the original? You too missed the point. The originals will just fade. >I mean buddy I'm having an extremely hard time trying to understand how you playing a remaster or a remake or another version of a game is somehow destroying another game You mention sonic, which is a continuation of a franchise. Your argument has nothing to do with anything I said. You destroy the original because by "improving" you make the old obsolete and completely ruins what the game was and what is stood for as an original. Unless you completely take the game apart like YsIII and create something else, that's different. But anything else does not serve the original well. >You called me dumb, yet you don't understand anything. Ironic. Only ironic thing here is that you didn't understand anything I said and then threw a sarcastic remark at me. Hypocrite.
How many people are likely to play the original to begin with? If that's the case, what experience is actually ruined? Those that are into old games will play them. If they're the classic games that are likely to get remade, then they often already have. Their original experience was not ruined. All the remakes/remasters do is give them a new experience. Old games do have their own charms and give their own experiences, but they are in no way ruined just because they get an update. Gamers are not forced to play these updates, but they're much more likely to play the remasters than they are to go through the trouble of playing the originals. Completely destroying is utter exaggeration.
Chickey, You are hopeless....
I mean, many mods exist for emulated games as well that enhance graphics so there clearly is an interest in old games with updated graphics.
YUP!! Say it to the people in the back ;D rereleasing old games without upgrading the visuals is pointless.
Lets see they ruined banjo kazooie and perfect dark, conker no longer exists and the way they made killer instinct was a joke, it's nowhere near as good as other fighting games this gen. They have a complete lack of exclusives but here are 4 awesome exclusive franchises that they just don't know what to do with. And very diverse too...adventure platform game, shooter, fighting game and I'm not sure where to classify it but conker was just amazing all around.
That's more MS fault than Rare to be fair.
Rare didnt make the current killer instinct. not predominantly anyways... that was iron galaxy and double helix doing most of the legwork.
Agreed. This is starting to explain a lot of their failures over the past couple Generations.
I don't think there are even any of the original members of Rare working there. They all moved to Playtonic Games.
Old games are fine as they are. Remakes and remasters are usually just a cash grab. I mean most of the work is already done. The concept phase is over, all that's left is production. It is not my dream to replay perfect dark or conkers bad fur day or banjo kazooie...its my dream to play a sequel not the remake.
If they make a Chrono Cross remastered in the same way they did FF9. I'll buy 10 ppl a copy on here lol I love when they update or remaster a good game.
Ofc only if that game was the mfng bomb. lol.
He'll say anything to have fans want to Rare to revisit its old IPs
I somewhat agree, there has been some instances where I have played an old game that I liked way back when only to find the controls, UI or anything else awful, either that or severely outdated compared to today's games or even that game's later sequels. Putting a better coat of paint over it doesn't get rid of the deeper issues some of these games have.
Yooka Laylee being one? That should be the perfect example really.
YL was a new game stuck in old ways. That's why it fell of the radar soon after it got released. People want new stuff not old concepts they have experienced before...and if they are bringing up old stuff back, the better do it right and update them with the times but dont mess with what made it great back in its day (see N sane trilogy).
Yooka Laylee is awesome after the last patch they released. They fixed that shitty ass camera!
Crash Bandicoot Insane Trilogy sold a million units.
Fidget spinners are insanely popular.
@UCForce Try 2.5 million units which has just been confirmed. ^_^ @gangsta_red Now you are desperately trying to downplay successful massive sales of something lol? Or maybe you are preemptively trying to counter the lack of XboneX sales after its initial month on sale by saying "its not a fad like a fidget spinner, that's why its not selling anymore" hahaha. And if that is not what you think, what ARE you trying to say then???
@andrew Maybe its just you being an extremely insecure fanboy. "And if that is not what you think, what ARE you trying to say then???" Nothing I said or mentioned had anything to do with sales or Crash Bandicoot. So it's hilarious that UC even brings it up or you start in about MS. So yea, let me counter a non point with another non point and as usual let's watch you go super Saiyan fanboy and once again talk about Xbox
Of course you would say that. The fact of the matter is, some games hold up incredibly well today. See Crash or even Jak and Daxter for proof of this. Is a coincidence Naughty Dog was the developer of both? Now imagine Max Payne given a lick of paint with the exact same atrocious awkward animations. THERE is the example that you were looking of a game that doesn't hold up well, 15 or even 3 years after it came out. Rare's older games with their cute graphics are other good examples that could be given great Crash N Sane Trilogy treatment. But because Microsoft would never do such a thing that makes perfect and logical sense, of course you would say it's not needed.
"Of course you would say that." Of course I would...how would you now I would say this? "But because Microsoft would never do such a thing that makes perfect and logical sense, of course you would say it's not needed" Pretty sure MS has done it with Halo, Gears and more recently Voodoo Vince...even Phantom Dust to a certain degree. This has nothing to do with what MS wants since I never mentioned MS. This is purely my opinion on the topic. And in case you didn't notice I said "SOME INSTANCES" meaning there are "SOME" games that need more than just an upgrade in graphics. This means that there are SOME games not ALL games, just SOME. I thought i was explicit when i put "SOMEWHAT AGREE" and then said 'I PLAYED SOME" games. I'm also trying to find where I said "IT'S NOT NEEDED" especially after I said "SOME" games...meaning "NOT ALL".
Lol Phantom Dust's upscale port is NOT a single thing like a remake of a game from the ground up lol. And neither was Halo or Gears of War's remasters either. We are talking remakes of games as old as 20 years such as Conker or Banjo that, with their chosen art style, would hold up really well today with a simple lick of paint.
I was actually referring to what the Rare guy suggested "making the same game but just with updated graphics." That still doesn't really explain your rant on "of course I would say this", or your obsession to always bring up MS or Xbox as if I gave a flying f*. Banjo and Conker would not hold up very well as Yooka Laylee already proved that. Conker has been updated before but that games humor and controls have long since past and is dated. That was my point regarding SOME games. Now do you have anything else to scream about and compare it to Microsoft?
Well the argument could go both ways. Yeah it can be nice to revisit some older games with improved visuals, however older games had poor AI, pathfinding, collision detection, etc. Newer titles have a lot of quality of life improvements over older games, better graphics are only a small part of what makes modern games nicer to play.
I used to love Rare back in SNES N64 days
You, me and everyone else. Nobody loves Rare these days... Let's hope the Pirates game is good
Same, I say i love em far back as the SNES days with the Donkey Kong Country series. I guess after Microsoft bought them all the old team left and it's never been the same.
The team pretty much left before the Microsoft acquisition, so no guessing need. Go read up on why Nintendo had already decided to let the ship sail.
That team was in disarray before MS even bought them , why you think Nintendo was quick to sell their 49% stake to MS after MS aquired the other 51% from the Brothers .
Agreed This development team was legendary during those days they were pumping out so many quality games.
Millions of people clearly disagree. The sales numbers don't lie. But then again Rare are pretty out of touch these days, and that's evident in what they've achieved in the last 10 years: nothing.
Mixed feeling about this. 1) For one I am not a fan or the current remaster trend for the simple reason that for every remasters sales there's a potential sale that will be lost on a new IP (Lawbreakers for example). 2) But ppl speak with a wallet and if they want to purchase Remasters so be it.
I think Lawbreakers suffers from it's own issues honestly. It's art style is poor, the optimization on consoles isn't the best, the game wasn't really marketed all that well and then some.
For 1 that is true of every game made. For every new IP, it has the chance to cannibalize the sales of better games. For every sequel, it has the chance to cannibalize the sale of a new IP. For every COD, it has the chance to take sales away from a remaster. Etc, etc, etc. Competition is brutal in the game market, but people will buy what they want. The fact that there is a market for them is not our concern, but rather the concern of the publishers to make their product more appealing.
Go back and revive your old IP, Rare. If you don’t want to do the same thing with pretty graphics, improve the mechanics and add more to it, but keep the spirit we loved alive.
No money from me, then. If Rare did remade their games, I would buy an Xbox One. Simple.
I literally only bought a used Xbox one for Rare Replay.
I think this is ironic considering their most recent notable game is a collection of all their best old IP's bundled into one disc (rare replay)
I think you misread the post because he said he didn't have a problem with compilation games, and praised Rare Replay as what the standard should be for compilation games.
I love resident evil remake and metal gear solid:twin snakes so I'm all good with remakes. And even though turtles in time re-shelled was awful... I can still enjoy the original. But I might change my mind if the FF7 and fear effect remakes suck...
I had this strange dream where Rare released a game called Conker: Live and Reloaded. Then, there was an HD release of Banjo games on the Xbox marketplace. But wait, it gets weirder... then there was an entire collection of Rare games on Xbox One. And every single one of them... was in HD. Well, at least it's just my imagination playing tricks on me. What were we talking about?
Shut the fuck up Rare. You should be to Microsoft what Naughty Dog is to Sony, but will never be.
So why did you make the Halo Anniversary and Gears Ultimate then...?
Blast Corps with better graphics and physics would be amazing. Screw you "Rare," you're just shell of your former shell.
That shell is nothing but fart dust now. Besides Rare Replay, have nothing to look forward from them.
But theyve done this many times themselves so....
Sure. And let's make sure Criterion stops remastering films for Blu-ray, while we're at it.
Why not have both? Why not bundle a playable original that can be played on modern TV"s along with an updated version? Best of both worlds, and no one loses out. It's not like the original one would be huge amount of work.
Depends on the game but conquers would have been great with a new cost of paint and tighter controls. Look at crash it was an excel remake
Is that what MS told you to say?
Why don't they release old games ....on newer gen without updated visuals instead? Mind blowing!
Right.... so thats why we got rare replay?
They’re not updated/remastered old games. It’s just a collection of straight ports as is.
With rewind option now.