Player 2 looks at why the Xbox needs to be a successful business in the world of gaming and how important that success is.
Microsoft can start by releasing quality games all throughout the year more consistently rather than waiting towards the end of the year
That's going to be difficult for them until they invest in more first party studios
“That's going to be difficult for them until they invest in more first party studios” What happened to the $1 billion invested into 1st party in 2013? They won’t give 343i the freedom to make a game outside of Halo. The won’t let The Coalition make a game outside of Gears. These studios could bring the next big thing. But you have to give them a chance. Look what Guerrilla Games achieved when giving the chance. I’m not saying it’s a sure fire plan but you’ve got to try. Phil also can’t wrap his head around good single player games. He’s all about GaaS. That needs to change.
Only fanatics needs Microsoft to be successful when you have other gaming companies doing a way better job in gaming. Some people are very gullible and willfully ignorant. Remember the lies told by Microsoft like the power of the cloud makes the Xbox one a lot more powerful than any consoles available. 1 billion dollars invested in first party games. Dx12 advancements to make games perform and look a lot better than a lot of games. A lot of silly gamers have convinced themselves that without 4k a game is now rubbish and having no exclusive titles unique to your gaming platform is very good.
@Infected. MS is working on their version of a Horizon game, there was a job posting for it a few months ago
Infected ... They spent that 1 billion plus another 1.5 billion on mojang....and did absolutely nothing with it.
to the nay sayers. http://www.ticgn.com/xbox/m...
"They won’t give 343i the freedom to make a game outside of Halo." interestingly enough the name 343i is named for 343 Guilty Spark... a halo reference for a studio tasked with making halo games... imagine that. "The won’t let The Coalition make a game outside of Gears." technically they have made 1 Gears game and it is Gears 4. Gears ultimate is a remaster project but the bulk of the work was already done for them by Epic. they just cleaned it up for the xbo. come on infected... you got to do better than that. Hell, i can pose the same thing back at sony. They wont let Polyphony Digital make games other than GT. And i would LOVE to see PD make a new Omega boost. Guerilla did a fine job taking a break from Killzone to make horizon but now they may get stuck making horizon games moving forward and leaving killzone fans wondering if there will be a KZ4. some times studios get shoehorned into making games in a series because they are good at it. I too wish some of these companies would branch out and take more risks but then again i am glad they continue to do so well on what they know that it means keeping a series or franchise alive with new content and ideas.
@JaguarEvolved, True, but you need competition to keep everyone honest, otherwise they drag their feet and we'd get terrible games/consoles/handhelds. Microsoft have really dicked up this gen, not because it's console has bad hardware, but because of the decisions surrounding it. If they didn't do reasonably well last gen, PS4 may have not been as good as it is this gen. Even the Nintendo had to pick up their game after their failure that was the WiiU, it's Microsoft's turn to step it up now.
Games MS, games.
Microsoft also need to handle their internal first party studios even better. The majority of them work on only one franchise. This even caused their previous star developer, Bungie, to leave.
Yeah seriously, thank god they moved to Activision, to continue to work on only one franchise..... And here's your sign.
It's still different from having to work only on Halo for the rest of their entire existence Bungie can still make another new IP once their partnership is up with Activision
Even if Microsoft leaves the gaming industry at some point I would expect that Amazon or possibly even Apple would enter the market as the 3rd competitor. Amazon would be the ideal choice because Jeff Bezos loves acquisitions and I feel 1st party game studios would be on his list. Also a prime membership may already be enough to cover the cost for whatever online service they would have.
@ Trump Amazon bought Double Helix and has done f all with them. They aren't as dedicated to videogames as they are with just selling them. Apple already tried to enter the console market and failed with Pippin. Nowadays they'd be complacent with their iOS platform than to make another dedicated gaming platform
The Xbox One has already sold more than Systems that were considered failures in the past: Vita, Wii_U DreamCast. . And guess what? They haven't abandoned ship, unlike the systems I mentioned above. There are games lined_up for the next 6 months. New hardware is being added to the family as well.. Phil just got promoted. . What is the benchmark for success? I think only MS can give a meaningful answer for their product. Whatever their goal and expectations are for Xbox. The article is really just talking about the need for competition. The comments above me are speaking as though the Xbox One failed lol. And it's the same usual party as well ^_^
Outselling systems that never managed to sell alot, Amazing achievement. Abandoned ship? But the Vita has had more exclusives coming out this year at the end of his life cycle than another console in the middle of its life cycle. By your own logic would that make the other console a sunken ship.
I'm guessing Indies and a ton of niche Japanese titles? And more than any other console mid cycle? Come on, dude....
What would be an achievement? pulling the plug and not making any effort? They could have folded under the pressure from the Media but no. . They stuck to their guns and are still pushing to improve despite being written off for ever move they make. . The gears are always shifted towards areas they're still working on.
When your system is just ahead of "failures", and that's the best you can come up with, it's obvious that there are problems. But really, the Xbox's issue actually has an easy fix: they need more in-house games. Something we can't get from a competing system nor PC.
"best you can come with" or maybe that's exactly the way things are. . There are 'problems' with every console. None are without flaws. "They need more in-house games" Not everyone can be like Nintendo. That is not an easy feat. If it were so simple, Sony wouldn't need third_party for games like NIOH, NEIR, YAKUZA BLoodborne. . If you're talking strictly in_house, look at the gap between the releases of titles like Uncharted and Horizon. . . What would you be playing without third_parties? in_house titles are not cooked up overnight . . actually I like that they aren't showing us CG trailers of games years away . . you would be a fool if you think MS aren't working on more games behind the scenes.. Crying everyday won't get them to spill their guts anytime soon.
That's not an easy fix. Developing AAA games takes years. Developing a studio to the point where it can put out AAA games that compete with the best in the business takes even longer.
Totally agree with Wooly. Us enthusiasts like to watch the race like a sport, and sure MS is getting lapped, but that doesn't mean they're not successful. And most Xbox players are just happily playing their games like anyone else and have no intention of jumping ship as far as I can tell. Xbox is fine. Not great, but fine.
I'm aware that in-house titles are not made overnight, but that's irrelevant because that isn't what I said. It needs to happen. It was promised years ago, yet, the input has been rather low. Next, the part(s) about Nintendo and Sony are also irrelevant. We're talking about Microsoft. Neither of the other two have issues with exclusives. The Xbox's exclusive output is lacking. No walking around that. And it can be fixed once titles start releasing only for it. Right now, there isn't any title on the horizon that is only coming to Xbox One. To me, for a gaming brand, that is a problem.
When I make a point you can't debate . . It's 'irrelevant'. . I see how it is now lol. maybe you should come to terms with reality . . so you stop making unrealistic demands. MS are not doing titles for Xbox ONE only. They are supporting both Xbox & PC. Otherwise you'll find yourself regurgitating the same crap over and over again. Xbox is clearly not for you so a discussion about Xbox with you is unreasonable. Pointless. " Right now, there isn't any title on the horizon that is only coming to Xbox One. To me, for a gaming brand, that is a problem" It's a problem for you alone. . . and that's okay.
@Woolly So...what exactly can we look forward to on Xbox for the next few years? No need to list the few games we know about, but what is there after that? Best place to play the best looking games on a new console if one wants to spend the money? Some more features which may or may not be that appealing? More BC titles? While I don't expect you to list potential games that may come in the future, what exactly has MS done to instill so much faith in you that they are going to be doing more than they are now anytime soon? Even if Spencer is to be beleived about green lighting some new games, how long before those come, and why be excited about them now without knowing a single thing about said games? It's easy to get excited when companies have a track record of delivering, but MS has driven their track record into the ground. It started last gen with Mattrick's Kinect vision, and while it had an upswing at the start of this gen, it took a quick nose dive after QB to MS lowest point in history. This isn't even just a bad holiday. This isn't even just a bad year. It's been almost 2 years since MS had what would be an acceptable output. At the start of this gen, Sony was raked over the coals by MS fans when they were releasing more games in a year than MS will release, or has released for the past year and a half, and for the next year and a half. Yet the faith in MS continues, despite never once having anywhere near the track record that Sony, or even Nintendo have when it comes to providing games for their user base. If these Xbox fan boys held MS accountable for their games output like they did for Sony which they don't really care about, then maybe MS would actually provide them with more. Doubtful actually, but at least Spencer could spin his way out of their terrible output by constantly deflecting to "most powerful console".
@wooly I have an Xbox One and I have been extremely disappointed by MS. I haven't turned it on since I played quantum break last year. A lot of Xbox One owners have a problem with its lack of exclusives. That's why Phil spencer and Aaron Greenburg constantly need to defend the Xbox One's lack of exclusives. Even Ryan McCaffrey, ign's Xbox editor, acknowledges this problem.
Niko I wouldn't worry about it. Clearly Wooly is not one for FACTS. Have you noticed every single argument he has made has been some hypothetical that has no basis in reality? Therefore it can't be proved wrong. Classic diversion tactic. Like oh MS clearly has more games in the works?! Uh.... Ok?! So does Nintendo and Sony, who are not sitting on their laurels. Let's get back to reality though. Here are the facts. The Switch has MORE exclusives in 6 months then ALL of Xbox One output for BOTH last year and this. They also have MORE coming next year as well! FACT. Woolly also suggest what would PS4 be without 3rd party exclusives?! Wtf? Why are we even discussing that?! PS4 does NOT have that problem Xbox does. FACT. BOTH Switch and PS4 are destroying Xbox in BOTH hardware and software sales. FACT. Xbox had ONE major exclusive in 11 months! FACT. He also suggests all these games on the vita and PS4 are niche, yeah and what are most Xbox games? Niche. FACT. Recore, Super Lucky Tale, State or Decay, Quantum Break and the like will not or have not lit up sales charts. That's the majority won't even break a couple million. FACT. Those 'niche' games like Nier Automata, Persona 5, Nioh for example each shifted a couple million each. FACT. Yet those games like Recore, Quantum Break, SoD, Halo Wars etc how bad are their sales? Yeah thought so.
@ Woolly Don't worry about the haters. They're in full damage control because, despite what they say, are clearly threatened by the One X. Which is funny because they honestly have no reason to be, it's competition is pumping out great games too. Why can't we all just get along?
Depending on my mood. . I choose to indulge them. . ^_^ Clearly they aren't satisfied with their purchase if they're looking over the fence on a daily basis.
You haven't made any points that aren't debatable, Woolly. You just steered the conversation to talk about everyone BUT Xbox. I don't care to talk about Nintendo and Sony when that's not what the discussion is about and they aren't the ones struggling with exclusives. Bottom line, there's nothing wrong with admitting that Microsoft has an issue with releasing new titles only on Xbox One. The author wants Xbox to succeed. As do I. That's one of the things they need to work on.
"What is the benchmark for success?" - open up explorer or winkey+r - launch search - search last MAUs results - go to monday meeting, tell them MAUs x 2 = Success!
@Woolly " Sony wouldn't need third_party for games like NIOH, NEIR, YAKUZA BLoodborne. . If you're talking strictly in_house, look at the gap between the releases of titles like Uncharted and Horizon. . . What would you be playing without third_parties? " So your come back is a hypothetical? We don't need to discuss what PS4 would be without 3rd parties, that's the point! PS4 has a lot of 3rd party exclusives and Xbox does not. FACT. Not a hypothetical. Just look TGS just happened and what did we get? More Switch and PS4 exclusives. What did Xbox announce during that time? Zilch. So let's not use hypothetical garbage situations because its proving the point your against. Otherwise we could discuss how much better MS would be with good people running it instead of running it into the ground.
My fist ever console was the Nintendo then snes and then megadrive but I am a PlayStation guy always have been although I did by a Sega Saturn first but lets not get into that. I would love Microsoft to do well with the xbox one x and sell millions because it's good for gaming and I think sony as had it too easy this generation. They have got lazy and have made decisions that they would of never had done if Microsoft was breathing down their neck for e.g putting the ps plus up. Competition is good for everyone and it's good for gaming as a whole.
This whole misconception on needing 2 players in the industry, to avoid one or the other to fukc over their customers is ridiculous. An admin on neogaf wrote about it, can´t find it or search for it (got no account) but if someone could link it that would be nice, made sense when i read it. If Sony remained alone, they would NOT DARE to fukc you over at all and do you know why? They need you, else they´re gone aswell ... that simple. One mistake and Sony is gone too ... no more gaming. The "winner" has to work EVEN harder than before, with 1 or 2 competitors in the field. Sony needs to have the other 2 in the competition, not because Nintendo does what Nintendo does or Microsoft ... simply because they have their demographic. Sony stopped givign a fukc about Nintendo-like games long time ago, Sony does not have the appeal of 15yold bruh console meant for MP only ... Sony would be in deep shit, having to work twice as hard to fill those gaps (if they care), getting more studios and tell them to keep on milking GaaS, Jump&Runs ... Without the money, Microsoft´s Xbox would have been dead for over a decade, yet the PS2 dominance did hurt nobody and funnly enough the first Xbox had more exclusives than the PS2 itself (which got its game, due simply having the biggest playerbase, period). The only one crying the loss would be the biggest publishers (EA, Ubi and Acti.), as they would loses 2mill. copies easily from the xbox community.
Are you a got damn child? What alternate reality do you live in?
... obviously not in yours, i play in Sony´s third base. If microsoft left the scene for good, nothing would happen. That simple ... ppl. will come up with articles stating that MS was only a Halo Box, no more, no less. Now if Nintendo, Sony would vanish ... that is a complete different ballpark. Look at what happen with Sega? No more great Sega IPs ... all gone because of the stupid old farts in Japan directing Sega to a black hole. I couldnt care less about colors, objectively speaking though MS did not bring jackshit to the table in 16 years but "false hope" based on broadband gaming, dick comparison shots "who´s the best K/D" .. and Halo with it´s "groudnbreaking enemy A.I" and thanks to those Android fees covering up their losses for years making look good that division ... all that with their "triumph song : lets beat those Japs!" If Sony remained last, everyone would either go to Sony or move back to PC or more likely a new competitor would enter the field (supported by the big 3 publisher, highly depending on selling lots of copies). Sony already has a market share of 60% (close to) ... the other 40 are between Switch and XB1. On paper this is already alarming, for the other 2 ... but it seems to me they´re doing just fine. Do you eally believe that Apple, Samsung and the other chinese mobile companies killing africans for Cobalt Ore in Congo (1$/day) ain´t working together for the same goal, give everyone enough "space on the market" ? So that we all get our newest phones, consoles, electronica ... Besides MS has had a monopoly for 40+ years on the PC (software), nobody seems to give a fuck about that. The "Law" had to come up with a "lie for the public" to swallow > as long Linux (when appl was struggling) exists, MS can keep on doing what they do best. 99% of the companies pretend to hate each-other, but in reality they´re sucking from the same tit.
http://www.businessinsider.... This was 5 years ago soon ... must be way higher now. Just saying that after all those rumours about few exec. to sell off the division well ... another blunder like the XB1 and it´s prolly the last one. http://www.gamesindustry.bi...
Your "scenarios" are just plain nonsensical! You are speaking what ifs but stating them as fact? Do you realize how insane you sound? Read some facts about the video game industry as it stands in the present and that will bring you back to reality, that and getting off the damn internet. The gaming division makes up 35% of the companies revenue and phil spencer just got promoted to the office right next to Nadella.
I think a shorter way of saying it is that Sony would still have to make a product that is appealing to the customer. Competition doesn't make that more or less of a reality. All competition does is make it so one has to try and be more appealing than the competition in order to gain more market share. The hypothetical of a single major player in the console market for an extended period has never been tested, so it's impossible to say how a singular company would handle that kind of pseudo monopoly. What would be more concerning in that scenario is how much control and influence that singular company could exert upon the industry and the market as a whole. For instance, if MS were the biggest player, and Nintendo and Sony were just kind of niche afterthought systems, then would DRM and always online have become a thing we'd deal with now? Hard to say, because as it was, we had competition. In any case, I don't think this would affect software output that much. While console makers do make money on every game sold on a console, even if they don't publish it, they still do make money on the software they do release. So I think software development would continue. It's hard to say if a companies 1st party would diminish because the console maker still wants to draw in customers to make more money. What it comes down to is that people aren't just going to buy a console because it's the only one available. They still have to have a reason to buy a console, and that's where the software comes in. About the only thing that it would chage to have a single player is that the exclusives probably wouldn't matter. it doesn't mean exclusives would become scarce.
I completely agree with this article. Although, i havent been a xbox fan since the og xbox and parly halway into the 360 gen, i understand why the xbox needs to be relevant. But like this article states, theres not enough of a differentiator when it comes to playing similar experieces on a lower priced machine with a vaster 1st party offering that also has a much bigger install base. I predict the xb1x will be much like the xb1s, sell really great for 4-8 months and then sales will take a nosedive... If this happens the xb1x will see pricedrops much faster which... Is only great for consumers. Id totally purchase the xb1x for 350-399 pricerange as im sure many others would too. If they can sell a bunch at 499 and then drop it to 399 once sales slow the box might do decent regardless... Might
This is simple. You need it to succeed so the competitors can do better.
I want and need it to succeed cause I don't want my Nintendo to be a loner.
As a PlayStation fan, This is Why "I" need Xbox to succeed. It is because of XBOXLive. It's Microsoft's Online Infrastructure is the sole reason why Sony had stepped up their game on their Online Network Service. IT's because Sony is continuously improving it's online service to compare to XBOXlive. Yeah it's still behind MS cuz XBLive keeps improving itself also. After all, online service is Microsoft's bread & butter. But thanks to the strong competitiveness of the online network service, Sony's online service has become far BETTER than it's ever been since it started back in the PS2 era. Continuously improving it's network to compare with XBLive. For THAT XBOX, this PlayStation gamer throws you props. Kinda make me wonder, If it wasn't for the 2001 release of the og Xbox with XBLive, Would Sony would've even bothered to invest in online gaming back then?
I think Sony would have worked on that regardless. About all XBL did was wake them up to do it faster. Even if MS didn't do it, online expectations would have required them to step up their game. Sony has been pushing digital services across the board for quite a while now. Some related to PS, some not. Some connected to PS, some not. Overall though, they're integrating everything into one bigger ecosystem, and it actually appears that PS is kind of a centralized point in all that.
We all want innovation, but if a console is crap and doesn't interest me then i'm not buying it. Just because you want a rival doesn't mean we gotta accept it. As long as Playstation is releasing games then I don't care what they do.
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Xbox is my choice first in consoles because of Xbox Live. If not for that,not sure what else Microsoft is able to offer me.
The argument that MS needs to continue with consoles because Sony needs the competition is rather empty at this point. The Xbox did the job of making online required, but the continued narrow focus in that direction has crippled them as a game provider much less maker. Nintendo continues to be good example of competition, is the company Sony and MS still "borrow" from despite being gen behind tech-wise, and I think without someone around pushing hardware over content, things overall would slow down to where we'd get less buggy titles.
Because you are a fanboy...
I think they will always be successful they just dont sell as many consoles as sony but that dont mean there not a success
I want Xbox to be successful too, but it's clear that Phil don't. Otherwise, there would be a lot more new games, more studios, and less canceled games. Maybe if Phil get fired and replaced with some young blood that know what gamers want, Xbox can be like the og days again.
competition breeds innovation ... without 360 doing so good last gen everyone wouldnt have their beloved ps4 thats doing so well and has brought so many great games ... if xbox goes away a lot of that fire will go away too IMO and i know i dont want a world with only nintendo and sony consoles :/ just saying ...
Even if Microsoft were able to drop the Xbox brand, I don't think the gaming world would be affected by it. I think PlayStation, Nintendo and PC are enough to satisfy the gamers on their gaming needs.
Why does it need to be Xbox, though? Competition can come from anywhere. I'm not trying to hate at all. But, similar things have been said since the beginning of gaming. There was no way anyone could see an industry without Atari...until they did. Then, it was Sega...until they did. I'm not wishing anything or implying anything. But, IF MS decided to pull the plug on all things Xbox, the industry wouldn't just crawl up in a ball and die. There are companies that are chomping at the bit to fill the gap. Much like how MS was when they entered the industry.
Exactly. Entering the market with three major, or even two, would be exceedingly hard in this day and age. Particularly since those most likely to do so aren't really in the software development business and have no real 1st party investment. I could easily see Amazon, Google, or Samsung trying to enter the market, and wouldn't doubt that Apple would love to give it another go. Amazon is even setting itself up to create content in the future by creating a game engine...so it's really not so far a stretch to see them opening some 1st party studios. I think MS leaving the market would be the least disruptive of the three. In this case, it wouldn't be a financial reason for leaving like in your examples, but rather a relevance to the market situation. That's what happened with NEC back in the day. They had the money, just couldn't sell their PC-FX, and TG-16/CD only had limited worldwide recognition. When they left, it wasn't that disruptive, although they had a huge following in asia....which dwarfed Nintendo and Sega for a while.
I need Nintendo to succeed. They deserve to be more successful than Xbox.
Personally, I think gaming consoles need to be the whole package. For me, this means games of course, but also the support services. A good online service, innovative, and forward thinking. Yes, my Scorpio edition is expensive, but I do believe MS now, 'gets it'. They messed up royaly at the begining of the generation, and that cost them support. Incidently, Sony fans should realise that much of Sony's momentum early on, was created for them, by MS' disasterous start. I have a PS4 as a direct result of the MS fiasco.I can't be the only one to have jumped ship. MS doesn't have exclusives, is the cry from the other camp. True, but I personally, don't have any particular likings for Sony exclusives, or current MS one's, truth be known. Fallout,Skyrim etc are my cup of tea, so exclusives haven't been an issue for me. In reality, Sony is doing a great job and MS need to counter that. Back compat across the range, enhanced titles for no extra cost, and innovative hardware are a start. So, I'm on board, for now. Yes. MS need to get this right!
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