Bungie have just revealed that they are removing a gauntlet from Destiny 2 that “shares elements with a hate symbol.” They say the similarities are not intentional, and they are working on the removal as quickly as they’re able.
It is so unbelievably simmilar I find it hard they didn't make it on purpose
I don't know, but if it was it was probably just an artist who choose to make it like that not a company wide decision.
oh definitely.. his/her little subtle message to the world.
The world is going crazy. Games having symbols removed because vague similarities to hate groups .... I then looked at the symbol of this Kekistan group (never heard of them) and it IS similar. Colour scheme, K letters, but most worrying is the 3 or 4 lines in the middle which makes me think this could have been deliberate!
This generation of youth has turned into a bunch of soft weak-willed pansies. We can't even have memes in video games now because they might offend someone. The Left is poisoning the minds of today's youth to a point where they will be too afraid to speak anything or express any creativity for fear of being labelled by the Fascist Left. Ronald Reagan quoted "Fascism will enter America disguised as Liberalism". That is exactly what is happening and anyone who is offended by this has fallen for the Liberal trap and is brainwashed.
I oftent see people very upset that politics is being injected into video games, the right seem to complain about this quite a bit. In this instance, Bungie is removing what is essentially a political slogan, and the right is, once again, outraged. Bungie is a private company making decisions they feel are in their own best interest, how can anyone be opposed to that ?
@AuditorGamer Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech. You're free to say whatever you want, and other people are free to shame, mock and ridicule you for saying it. It's a 2 way street. And no. The authoritarian left is authoritarian, yes, but it's not like the right is much better. Hey, remember that time the FCC killed net neutrality despire a 17% approval rate for that policy? That is litteral facism. The government ignoring the will of the people and doing whatever it wants, the people only matter if it serves the interest of the state.
I just looked up the flag, and it's pretty much a Destiny-fied version of it. This sure as hell wasn't an accident. I'll be on the lookout for artist openings at Bungie.
I don't get it, what exactly is the issue, even if it was a subtle hint at KEK. KEK is a gaming culture meme/troll. Nothing AT ALL racist about it. One would assume a partially game (WOW specifically) related meme/troll would be relevant. http://knowyourmeme.com/mem...
I thought this was gonna be one of those things that SJWs like to exaggerate, but goddamn this does look remarkably similar. It's definitely on purpose. But it was probably done by just one artist and it was overlooked because nobody knows Kekistan exists.
Yep ....entirely too close. Somethings foul in denmark.
Is the kekistan flag really a symbol of hate now lmfao ?
If Nazis and white supremacists start to carry them...
"If Nazis and white supremacists start to carry them..." Oh Jezzus Chrizzt, are Germans marching in the U.S ? Who are these Nazis preventing from speaking ? Where is this violent suppression of the opposition? Pretty sure is the left, who are destroying cities, assaulting people and preventing people from speaking, are people completely ignoring all the violence these antifa losers are causing while claiming to be about peace and love, while beating everyone who doesn't agree with them? Who is advocating for an authoritarian government ????? This kekistan flag was made by 4chan for trolling weak SJW's, since sjw's didn't like it, its somehow a hate symbol LOL, its like these sjw's never matured mentally. They act like complete kids who scream at everyone they don't like.
"They act like complete kids who scream at everyone they don't like." Just in case heres this https://www.youtube.com/wat... https://www.youtube.com/wat... https://www.youtube.com/wat... https://www.youtube.com/wat... https://www.youtube.com/wat... https://www.youtube.com/wat... https://www.youtube.com/wat... But yeah, all these people are totally sane and loving people.
@Christopher So all they have to do is start carrying McDonalds flags and all the sudden McDonalds golden arches are racist and a symbol of hate? Isnt that a little short sited and actually a HUGE problem that people cant tell the difference between a symbol of hate and a symbol that haters use. I mean all they would need to do then is start marching with the Symbol of the democratic party and all the sudden what, everyone who is a democrat is racist? Isnt that more than a little ridiculous and could lead to worse issues? People need to stop being this naive. And doing things like this only helps people get away with things that they shouldn't be.
It's really awful to support hate groups and symbols of hate groups
liberals that claim anything they don't like is hate speech;, these types of people are utterly disgusting, apathetic, pills for breakfast type zombies who's personalities have been derived from television 'programming' / media propaganda..
really.... one has 4 lines int he center the other doesn't, its also missin the other "k's" on each side, which could easily have been arrows next to a horizontal line..... It's bungie's right to remove it, but it seems pretty far reaching.
I don't care if they remove it or not, I think it's an internet joke more then offensive, but at least be honest and not say it's accidental
History lesson time (and why any white hate groups are morons if they brandish that "Kekistan" flag: Kek is actually an Egyptian deity. The best part? He is also transgender. Two things that those groups loathe (nonwhite and transgender) are literary the foundation of this ridiculous movement. If I had to guess, they're using the pop culture context from 4chan because some guy made up an ethnicity. Allegedly, they identified as a displaced people, which is probably the context they were going for. Regardless, it's incredibly funny watching this group of dipsticks advocate for something under false pretenses. It goes to show that you can't take these groups seriously. Also, for anyone calling those people "Nazis", stop. Don't give them the satisfaction of associating them with a significant threat from World War II. They're not Nazis. They're just racists. The only things they have in common with real Nazis is that they're losers who happen to be white.
Could be something someone saw at some point and it just made an impression without them really knowing what it was. If I saw that example they had linked in the article without an article going with it, it might stick with me in some way. Artists tend to keep those kinds of things in their minds longer too, since their brains just work like that.
Good on Bungie for addressing it - but not gonna lie, I had never even heard of Kekistan before
Neither had I, but I'd seen people posting that frog thing
Good for Bungie for removing something that hints at a meme? There's no limit to what people will get offended by these days.
Apparently you didn't read the article.
@Cmv38: I read the article and Bungie are idiots. Kek and Kekistan are memes. Nothing more. It's hilarious how the regressives label everything a hate symbol.
What is in the article that changes anything? KEK is a troll/meme, used in MANY different instances. It is not a racists symbol... It seems like people are just to sensitive and lazy to actually understand what they are talking about. They see ONE racist troll post something, then suddenly it makes every use of that racist... http://knowyourmeme.com/mem... https://pepethefrogfaith.wo...
The snowflake liberals at it again, being professionally offended at anything and everything. I'm waiting for them to start burning books. It's kinda funny that they are fighting "fascism" by being... FASCIST. Meanwhile, there is no real fascism that they are fighting. A wise man once said "Fascism will one day come in the name of Liberalsm." Couldn't have been more right....
I didn't bother researching it - and apparently it is just some stupid meme. That said from the responses here Im glad they removed it - Who the hell cares if it is or isnt in the game
@BlindGuyMcSqueazy "There's no limit to what people will get offended by these days." Hey, that's offensive, please remove this ASAP and apologize on Twitter or else i will cry about it in my Tumblr! Kek
Its because Kekistan isnt real. Whole internet gaming community getting trolled by 4chan today
This has nothing to do with being trolled by 4chan. Fact is that the flag has been used on extremist rallies, even if that application of the flag missed the point why the flag exists. It is only logical for a company to keep it's product away from negative publicity. It's the same as promoters quitting deals with progamers who use sexist/racist etc. slurs. I find it difficult to comprehend why people can't understand this. Even the swastika was just a harmless religious symbol before it was turned into something else.
@Adrian I don't agree with you. These racist or extremist or whatever you call them will use anything to spread hate. By your logic we shouldn't wear clothes or use the internet because i can guarantee both of those have been used to spread hate moreso than this "kekistan" flag. The silliness has to stop somewhere, and by acknowledging that flying a nonexistent flag associated with no real organization was hateful whether or not it was used at a hate rally is exactly what these people want you to think. Giving these people anykind of acknowledgement is exactly what they want.
It's their product and if they want to steer clear of anything resembling a hate group's symbol (real or not), they can, and absolutely worries me that many here are angered by its removal.
@Dan 100% correct. Not once have i argued against Bungie about their decision.
Trust me, the people who carry that flag with pride have no idea what they're doing. Like, at all. It doesn't mean what they think it does. I dont think Bungie should have removed it. Read up on Egyptian mythology and you'll find out why this movement this hilarious. Kekistan is not real. It's not a thing. It's fake news. Worse than that actually: it's meme culture wrapped up in ethnic mythology.
So now they are afraid of losing fans for their own staff behaviors or whatever these toxics minds!! Pathetic. Its identical to the K itself,colors, font, and overall design and there is no different. Fire who designed it. Or else people should quit this. Edit: Sarcastic.
'The ‘Kekistan’ flag is often flown in support of those groups, and in marches promoting racism and white nationalism.' This is not true.
That descriping KKK not KKKK (kekistan) so yeah I think it is an internet "bla bla bla" thing.
There is another flag that looks like it which some idiot journo mistook for the Kek flag.
we re actually witnessing goerbels "if you keep repeating a lie..." in action. its pretty scary.
It has been at rallies promoting white nationalism. The fact is, those they are making fun of have used it not knowing the joke and now it's associated with them.
It only promotes how gullible liberals are, that was it's purpose and still is
Liberals are gullible because people attend rallies with racists holding up a flag... I think people hold their attempts at Internet jokes to too high of a level and use it as a crutch to excuse when any symbol becomes associated with hate groups due to their usage by hate groups who, and here's the funny part that you blame liberals for, don't know that the people who provide the imagery are using to make fun of them. Hint: liberals, conservatives, and anyone else do not care about Internet jokes. They care about not supporting anything that hate groups are associated with, though.
Again, if all the hate groups drove Fords would all the sudden Ford be a symbol of hate? Anyone who owns a ford would be questioned for their association with the Nazi party? If they decided to start bringing flags with the democrat party donkey on it would all the sudden every democrat be a Nazi supremacist? Just because they bring a flag does not mean they or the public at large get to all the sudden change the meanings of things. People like you are allowing them this power and its sad. Just wait, one day I hope they start supporting something you like just to watch you try and say you arent a racist because you like it too. I have a feeling you dont care because Kek (or whatever, I never knew this existed until this article) means nothing to you personally. But someday something you like may be associated with hate, and then what? You are willing to just let them have it? Let others just rebrand and redefine whatever they want? Seems kind of like the coward move of rather than fight the ACTUAL Nazis you are going to fight the people who dont think its a symbol of hate and have no supremacy intentions. because its easier to get people who also hate them to buckle under. Focus on the real issue and its the supremacists, not people here defending the actual meaning of a symbol and not willing to let others rebrand it as racist.
Flags are signs of representation, cars are not. Get out with stupid apologists logic. ***But someday something you like may be associated with hate,*** Not likely. I don't hold up signs or flags as symbols of who I am. Nor do I define myself by symbols or specific groups. I speak only for myself and no group speaks on behalf of me as a person.
@Chris As an American, I would hold up an American flag as representative of something about myself. However, there are people in this world that associate that flag with some vile and evil things. Does my pride as an american, and willing to accept the american flag as a symbol of my patriotism mean that I am what those people say I am?
***Does my pride as an american, and willing to accept the american flag as a symbol of my patriotism mean that I am what those people say I am?*** It means you accept it as part of who you are and should accept the criticism associated with it. It's easy to be a patriot when it's not your citizens being affected or bombed by the actions of those who also fly the American flag.
"Flags are signs of representation, cars are not. " "Get out with stupid apologists logic." Stupid apologist logic... or you are too short sighted to see where this is already leading. It must be my imagination that Ultaviolet is spreading a petition to get Starbucks to pull their stores out of Trump owned buildings, because and get this STARBUCKS is supporting hate. If they dont pull out (Because contracts and business deals matter) does anyone who supports Starbucks now support hate too? I am not apologizing for anyone, I am trying to show you that just because someone you dont like holds any symbol if someone else MAY hold the same symbol does not make them the SAME. Just because a white nationalist group holds the Kek flag does not mean that everyone else who also holds it is a white nationalist. To start labeling them as such is a false equivalency. So how about you get out of here with your short sighted, prejudice, "I dont define myself by symbols", false equivalency logic. "It's easy to be a patriot when it's not your citizens being affected or bombed by the actions of those who also fly the American flag." Is it? Is it easy to hold true to the meaning of a symbol when others abuse it, or use it for things you dont believe are right or know are wrong?
Different flag Christopher. Sorry to say it, but in this case you are factually incorrect.
***Different flag Christopher. Sorry to say it, but in this case you are factually incorrect.*** I am not. It was even ironically at the MOAR this weekend. As was the Blue Lives Matter flag and some white nationalist group flags. This isn't about what the flag was started as, it's how it has become associated with nationalist rallies without any public context. It's like Gamer Gate gaining extremely bad press because of the people who send death threats of purposefully doxx and harass women online using that as a cover. If you don't control it, the bad representation of your label or image becomes associated with what you intend to mock.
Kek is a millennial libertarian group, not a far right supremacy group like the KKK.
So take it out because of 4chan trolls. Alright
The whole Kek thing is a 4chan joke, people are being played, its not an alt right hate symbol. Its trolling people who are so uptight they cant see straight.
but is so liberal...
Which is what makes it so hilarious. The 4chan folks are geniuses at trolling the PC police.
O man i have those equipped to..
Same! But I dyed my black and red so I don't even see the symbol haha
The Cult of Kek, also known as the Church of Kek, is a satirical religion based around the worship of the ancient Egyptian deity Kek (also spelled Kuk or Keku), an androgynous God of darkness and chaos who is often depicted as a frog or frog-headed man in male form or a snake-headed woman in female form. On 4chan, the character Pepe the Frog is often considered a modern avatar of the diety, who uses ancient Egyptian meme magic to influence the world, often by fulfilling the wishes of posts that end in repeating numbers. Additionally, the deity is associated with the popular 4chan slang term “Kek”, and is often embraced by supporters of 2016 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. Practitioners are known to frequently write “praise Kek,” and jokingly refer to the church as a “religion of peace.”
Who knew 4Chan could be so creative?
Busted. Wish i hadnt spent money on this trash now.
@Crackface A perfect reason why Bungie should just leave it in. If you did buy it and are so hurt that you won't support them in the future then its your loss. Just know you're clearly in the minority.
Wtf... I had time to finally play and then this bs happens... seriously... I can't even play the story, there's has to Ben a better way of doing this bungie!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA, Nothing surprises me anymore.
Please educate yourself before accusing people of hate. This all blown out of proportion and is a stupid meme. Src: http://knowyourmeme.com/mem... http://knowyourmeme.com/mem...
Some people love to be outraged. They just walk around looking for something to be offended by.
I agree. Hate will always be there if you go looking for it. Must be so tiring... being cynical all the time that is.