With rumors of Sony preparing something new in the hardware space, could something along the lines of a PlayStation Switch be possible?
if they have the proper games for it ready then yes (Kojima AAA games, Monster Hunter, Persona etcetc) ..if they plan to release it with lame western games like Uncharted and Killzone and afterward wait to get support then absolute NO
Yup, you completely hate western games like a lot.
He hates whats better
They need both if its ever going to be successful. Personally speaking, I want the ps5 to be Sony's full and only commitment with no unnecessary gimmicks. The switch already exists, no need for PlayStation to copy it.
no they shouldn't, but they could take remote play to the next level through vita software update or revolutionize it by using phones remote play with PS4. My 4K HDR XZ premium is only waiting for this feature!
It's not your opinion about Western games, buddy. It's more like vendetta from you. For me, I prefer both.
i like lot of them when -we- the retarded white guys take it seriously ...Halo CE, original Crash Bandicoot series, Half Life ....However i dont want to even hear for games from Bethesda ,Ubisoft etcetc
I get it, but the western gaming is still important. I have to support the old, the present and next generation on Western and Eastern.
Western games is whats pushing the industry...not Japanese titles. Check top 10 played games on most gaming platforms (not nintendo) 8/10 most likely Western games.
Western and Eastern gaming are pushing the gaming industry forward in the first place. Not just one.
But they don't have monster Hunter, since the next MH game is monster Hunter world being release on most platforms.
I love Japanese games but to not have western AAA is the same mistake they made with Vita. If it is popular with both it will recieve more support from both so I dont get your position
I'm rather shocked everyone took you serious. When you were pointing at the release of the ps vita. No, we don't want to repeat that. The switch has sold well so far. But what's it going to be like I'm a year or 2 time. Are people wanting a hybrid console or has the media made it sound that way.
I don't think they would do this unless it was strictly portable. Nintendo can sacrifice power for portability but i dont think playstation would give up that power
Imagine a digital only ps4 portable. All your previous purchases work. It might not need any 'new' games. Just what comes out for the PS library. I have dozens of games I would love to play on the go from my digital downloads. But yeah. Not very profitable. But I would buy one in a heart beat.
Digital only portable..? That is gonna be hard to achieve, considering the size of ps4 games.
You know it’s not that easy to simply make prior purchases carry over right? Sony has to reach out to the publishers and obtain a license for the game to be playable on a non console device, something they are not likely to grant for free. Maybe Sony published games could transfer but I doubt those too. Unfortunately that’s just business.
Maybe, if that was the PS5 and they are 100% committed to it. Honestly, though, Sony is about powerful home consoles and that its audience expects games that push graphical boundaries. That would be hard to achieve with a compromised hybrid.
i don't know... but i think a ps4 portable would be pretty good, and you'd instantly have tonnes of games on it. i'm not one to get multiple same consoles... but i would get ps4 portable
Why you will not see a new Sony console anytime soon. Sony and Ms are now feeling the slowing down of moore's law. If you take a look at what MS and Sony has done it's clear as day. The next PS5 will be in name only, not power until the move to 7nm nodes 2020 - 21.. Why do i say this is do only to the fact that X1X and PS4P is at right now 16nm nodes, and that's where the real power comes from. PS4 to Pro was 28nm down to 16nm so we got 2x the die space on the same sized wafer at the same cost as OG PS4's chip. Yes MS did the same with the X1X. 28nm to 16nm or 12CU to 44CU that's about 4x more with 2x the space on the die without the Esram. The point is that until next node is ready you will not see a new PS5. That's 7nm nodes to get a 4x in power with a 2x die space at a console price. Cost is also in the way, lets say you use Amd's new APU that are coming soon, and as of right now they don't have the GPU of even a PS4 Pro the die size is way to big for a console at even 16nm. The CPU foot print is way to big at this time. You need Amd to have a Notebook size Ryzen CPU or 7nm dies and so far i have not seen that from AMD . . Ryzen is off the table but Sony could match X1X in die size and then maxing out the clock? Right now if we add the same 1172Mhz to PS4P you are at 5.4TF. Now you have to do something with the Heat and that Cpu.
PSP says hi
thats portable not hybrid
FallenAngel1984 is right though. PSP can play on your tv, at least the 2000's and PSP Go versions. That is hybrid too. How is it not hybrid like Switch, isn't switch the same thing? you can play on the go and on your tv? but you can do that on PSP too. hybrid to you is just a portable that can play on the television, but PSP can do that too, so I don't know what you mean by hybrid to be honest. PSP is exactly that though, unless you are telling me me and Fallen are lying or something about the tv thing.
it is a hybrid. you could connect the psp to the TV and game on it.
There are no hybrid consoles, just some portables that have video out.
Switch is a portable, and you could play PSP games on a TV just like with NS.
i mean it in a sense where a studio doesnt only need to develop fopr 1 console (psp) rather then 2. console and protable. But imo i doubt Sony will let Ninty capitalize on an idea they should of executed first
"But imo i doubt Sony will let Ninty capitalize on an idea they should of executed first" Why would Sony leave home console gaming when they have sold the most home consoles combined in history of gaming? Nintendo needs to go handheld only, Sony doesn't need to do that, they didn't sell 13 million units of home consoles last gen. Nintendo is the one that needs to only make portables, that is what they do the best in. Sony has not done the best in portable, so I don't see how they would help them to make a portable, but I do how ever see how that helps Nintendo's situation. They can leave home console gaming as they've done and probably be ok,. Stop trying to look at it as only 1 solution, both companies are different. What works for Nintendo, doesn't work for Sony and vice versa. I think them doing portable only is a good choice tbh.
No. I want a home console that can run all the latest 3rd party games.
Its name is PlayStation 4.
Not for PS5. For a vita successor, then yeah.
exactly, FallenAngel1984 made a good point that PSP did that. So not for PS5, just for the next PSP, like the other PSP's did.
Maybe they can do a wiiU controller esque and have the dock nump up the power to 4k. Just how the Switch was rumored to do before it was unvield
or they can do the same thing they did for PSP, they did do it before Nintendo after all. If hybrid is just playing off television, then PSP already did that and they can just do it again. the dock is not making up power, it is just allowing the system to play at max.
only market i can see for them is to make ps4 portable, but that much power would kill a battery in 10 minutes
AMD's FX 9800p only uses around the same level of energy as Switch and it's packing a little under half the performance of PS4's GPU, but it's CPU is a fair bit faster. That's a 28nm chip, moving to 16nm, with newer architecture would undoubtedly reduce power consumption, while allowing the chip to produce PS4 performance in a portable. Using a similar size to switch you could have a few hours of play time. If Sony wanted more then they could use a bigger one, they're very cheap now.
The chip you mention is just the CPU and GPU. You're saying that chip uses the same power draw as the Switch, but that's EVERY part of the Switch with FULL brightness. Without Joy-Cons and with the brightness down all the way, the Switch's power draw while playing Breath of the Wild is less than half that, according to this analysis: http://www.anandtech.com/sh... On top of that it's really not as simple as taking a laptop chip and putting it into a handheld device. Go out and buy a laptop with that chip in it and put it under heavy load. The laptop will certainly get warm. Pack all of that into a device that's less than a quarter the size and suddenly overheating becomes a major issue. It would likely get dangerously hot. That's just one of the concerns that they'd have to work around.
We've had this chat before on n4g and as with last time you ignore that Switch actually uses more power than the FX-9800p, plus it's a 28nm part, I actually said that AMD can move to 16nm. A handheld could have lower Resolutions in portable mode, reducing power demands. Power requirements are going to drop drastically at 16nm, a PS4 in a Switch sized enclosure is achievable without increasing heat over what Switch already produces. Sony can also use a slightly bigger case, tweak dimensions to provide a bigger area to dissipate heat, allow for a bigger battery, storage, etc. I'm not saying use that chip straight, hell the CPU at full speed isn't required, to match Jaguar performance can be done well below 2.4GHz and it's 12watt figure is based at that level, Switch uses 15.7watts, at 16nm the FX-9800p would use well under 10 watts, leaving plenty of energy for the rest of the required components. As I said last time a bigger battery isn't expensive, the case could be 1cm thicker than Switch and the thermal limits expand significantly. People wouldn't even really notice that. Please research before writing the same bogus replies you always do to these posts of mine. It gets very boring when people like yourself don't learn and they can't even be bothered to properly read a person's post.
@MrSec84, The tegra chip inside the Switch is a mobile/tablet component, and the Switch is made largely using mobile/tablet electronics. Using the chip you've mentioned, Sony would have to use a bigger case going merely by the fact that they would be using laptop components, which are larger. Laptop components are made for much larger devices and most (including the chip you're mentioning) are not made for prolonged heavy strain. The FX 9800p is not a chip made for small, thin laptops and if you look at most models it comes in they are fatter laptops and many people complain about how hot they get. Also, you barely even addressed the power consumption issue. I cited a source and the 15.7 watt figure you mention is at the higher end of the spectrum. You didn't address the FACT that the power consumption without attached joy-cons and on low brightness is only 7.1 watts while playing Breath of the Wild. That's still notably lower than the 10 watts you say the FX 9800p would need . . . which doesn't include other components. The power draw for a hybrid PS4 would easily be twice that of the Switch, at least at this point in time. I cited a source that you didn't even address and then you attack me saying I need to do my research, lol. Then you have the audacity to complain about people not reading posts they're replying to. If you want to get into even more detail, the chip you're mentioning only has 4 CPU cores and it doesn't even support memory bandwidth anywhere close to the PS4's. Games would require being nerfed and ported, it simply wouldn't be able to play the exact same games as the PS4 without the developers going in and doing the work to port them. If they're going to have to do that anyways there's really no reason to try and make it just like a PS4 anymore.
YES! They have some of the best games ever made available in their library and the current PlayStation team aren't as arrogant as the one that did the Vita. They killed one of the best systems ever made with their arrogance.
"They killed one of the best systems ever made with their arrogance." A system should be define by its software it provided, not it's hardware. Therefore, PSP is their best portable system ever.
True but they put expensive proprietary memory cards on it and then gave up on it when it never took off. Vita has some of the best software available and that's why it continues to sell even though Sony have given up.
Vita was awesome.
@SierraGuy, not saying otherwise, own two myself
As long as it's 4K and more powerful than PS4 Pro, then I vote Yes.
Why stop at 4K? 8K displays are now available and while they are expensive they will drop in price fairly rapidly. What to me is more important is games that can run at 60fps or higher although a locked 30 fps is fine for slower paced games. A good game (this is subjective) with high-resolution graphics is great but a consistent and preferably high framerate is much more important.
For a handheld? Lol, you're clueless
If they make a Vital 2 and fully support it but please don't make a hybrid
Why? PS vita can already play on tv with some hacks, all "hybrid" is based on some users on here is playing off a television, but PS vita and PSP can do that though.
Oh god I hope not. Besides the hardware issues and lacklustre titles, the last thing I need is a useless portable gaming system. I'd prefer they just beefed things up with the PS5 and gave us a solid 4K gaming system with lots of power to make the graphics look better.
IMHO gaming on the go is fine for those people who are commuting or traveling although this begs the question "Would you take and play a large portable device on a crowded train or bus? However, if you are the one driving this feature is rather pointless. Actually, the PS4 and now the XB1s are fairly small and are great for traveling if you wish to play games when you get to your destination. Sure a really portable device is great (subjective) if you are camping but you will only have a short playtime unless you take a charging device which sort of nullifies the point of camping.
I wouldn't want them to sacrifice power of a home system for the sake of portability. I wouldn't mind a separate system in the vein of Switch, which allows for a portable, with some sort of dock for each connection to a TV, or just a TV out, which to me was sorely lacking on the Vita. The PSTV was a decent enough way to play many of the Vita games, and quickly came down in price(although it wasn't much to begin with), but still, having it as a default would be much better.
The problem is after the Switch Sony can not do a Hand Held with Spin Off titles that suck. From here on out if its an XBOX or Playstation Portable they gotta play THE ACTUAL CONSOLE GAMES. Nintendo set the new standard here
>>Nintendo set the new standard here Err what new standard is that? You can get adapters and HDMI cables for smart phones that will allow you to display the screen to a compatible display device such as a monitor or TV. It is also possible to get Virtual Reality headsets and applications for smart phones as well. As for games on smart phones, I think most suck although there are a few (this is subjective) that are quite good. Sony does have a portable and it's called the Vita which can be connected to a TV. The Vita can also be used as a second controller for the PS4 or you can use Vita's screen to display PS4 games. You can even play PS4 games on your Vita via remote play. Actually, you can use a smart phone to play certain games on your PS4 you just need to download the app.
Software. That's the standard. Software comparable in quality, scope, complexity and budget to what you find on home consoles. Software like Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey that you will never find on portable consoles but you do find on home consoles. Software that is in the running (Zelda certainly is, Mario remains to be seen) for GOTY which I don't ever remember seeing a handheld game doing before. Software that is AAA. People like to talk about outputting to tv but is that enough to say that a gaming platform is partly a home console? Does that alone provide the same experience that a home console provides? Imo, no it doesn't. The home console hybrid part from the Switch imo comes from outputting to TV, having a dedicated controller AND having the type of software I mentioned above. Those 3 things are what I expect from a home console experience and that is what the Switch offers plus its portability.
@imalwaysright- "I don't ever remember seeing a handheld game doing before. Software that is AAA." AAA for last generation. The content looks like content from Wii U, that is like saying you played the PSP and played it on the TV with content like Resident Evil 2, Metal Gear Solid 1, Final Fantasy VII or IX etc. So? You are playing AAA of last generation games, that isn't really new and thats happened before, I think that happens with all major portables. In terms of software, Switch is not playing Playstation 4 or XBOX ONE level games though. "Software like Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey that you will never find on portable consoles " Ok, that is moot. That is like me saying "Software like Metal Gear Solid 1 or Resident Evil 2 that you will never find on portable consoles". Yes, in 2004 you don't find on them on portables until they appear, but playing last gen content is not new to portables, you are just marveling at a moot concept. ie in 20 years, you will be playing a PS5 level game on a portable like a phone or something and say " I don't ever remember seeing a handheld game doing before. Software that is AAA" AAA to you...if last generation stuff is AAA to you, then by all means, but this content for the most part is not current gen PC, PS4 or XONE type stuff. It is last gen content. That would be like me saying I played GTA SA on a phone. " outputting to TV, having a dedicated controller AND having the type of software I mentioned above. Those 3 things are what I expect from a home console " Thats like me saying " outputting to TV, having a dedicated keyboard AND having the type of software I mentioned above. Those 3 things are what I expect from a desktop PC", yet ignore its a laptop. What you stated doesn't make it suddenly no longer a portable. It simply means that is what you like from console. I can like watching Youtube on gaming desktop, doesn't mean me watching Youtube on my phone makes it a gaming desktop. One is dedicated to the tv and made to only be that maxing out the current tech One is portable and made to be that. What you do with it, isn't really relevant. Could you not use a controller for PSP or even Ipad? Could you not put them on tvs? Did you not get last gen games on PSP and ipad? So how is this different? This is simply a more current version of all those older portables.
VenomSnakeRisingX "AAA for last generation" Started there and finished there. Go and educate yourself on what an AAA game is. When you do, then reply to me again with that in consideration and only then will I bother reading your text walls.
For portable systems sure. They have a lot going on with the switch which I feel is a good way forward to solve a lot of the things that many people would like to have with a portable....namely, making a dock solution as standard. But for a home system, they are well behind the times, because most people aren't looking for a portable solution for their home consoles. Those that are have solutions like Remote play or whatever, but they aren't really that widespread, and have some caveats which make it less appealing. But, in the end, for a home console, I wouldn't want power sacraficed to try and attract a small segment of the console market which wants a portable solution of some sort. That should always be left as an option, which likely would require an accessory or secondary purchase so as not to pass the cost onto every customer, but rather, only those who want it.
How about no
Sony needs to release more eastern developed games and then it can do it.. If not it will fail
Bring back the phone/handheld hybrid now that mobile gaming is in its prime. Combine that with PS4 remote play, BC with Ps vita games and PSP, and possibly get its own dedicated games and you got a money maker
I'd prefer a future proof upgradeable console. A 2 or 3 piece hardware that has detachable parts which can potentially be replaced with an upgraded hardware part. This could essentially eliminate purchasing a new fully upgraded "mid-gen" iteration. Instead, you could just buy the replacement part should you decide to upgrade. Now you're playing with future proof power! 😉
That's called a PC
Please no. Just stick to home consoles. Don't want half ass hardware just so it can be mobile.
If they release something like the Nintendo switch if say this is another attempt by Sony to drive out Nintendo from the industry and I think it would be a disrespectful move by them if they did do that. I mean Sega by no means always made the best choices but I'd say Sony were a part of the reason why Sega isn't around making consoles no more because of how they approached the industry with there first console and corned the market. If Sony managed to take Nintendo out of the market you can bet they would go from hero to zero. If Sony see a move to be made over there competition they would choose that move to see them wiped off the board. Instead of saying to themselves hold on we shouldn't make this move because were going to be the end on say Nintendo, pretty much like the nail in the coffin with Sega. I could see Sony pulling a move like that off again to the point Nintendo just can't compete in this industry no more.