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1 million is not bad just for one holiday season, that's already 8% of the total WiiU and Vita sales.
Why are you using WiiU and Vita as your comparison... PS4 sold around 8 million between November and the end of January last year. So if PS4 Pro sells 25% of that PS4 Pro sold 2 million in that time last year.
@Ashlen "Why are you using WiiU and Vita as your comparison... " To give a better idea of how the system compares since all you guys seem to care about is Playstation versus Xbox. "PS4 sold around 8 million between November and the end of January last year. So if PS4 Pro sells 25% of that PS4 Pro sold 2 million in that time last year." Nobody is claiming the PS4 is selling badly, calm down.
Ashlen, it's actually 20% ( http://www.gamesindustry.bi... ) so it'd be 1.6 mil within that time frame. Not sure if the X will reach 1 million in that time frame though, price and on top of that lack of must have exclusive software are holding its sales potential back.
MS will more than likely make the same or more amount of money on sales of console as Sony does this holiday season.
Yeh ps4 pro 2 mils, but it was cheaper than x1x.
"Why are you using WiiU and Vita as your comparison" Some people will use any goal post, no matter how many times they have to move it, regardless of how close or ridiculous if they can kick a field goal and then brag about scoring.
U wish it did, ps4pro is garbage that's why it didn't sell
http://time.com/4804768/pla... "Jun 05, 2017" @Outside_ofthe_Box: The source to your source as indicated. That date is June 5th, 2017. Not the end of January and definitely not within two months of Pro launch.
Pro was a waste of money out of all consoles. I really feel sorry for the folks who purchased their VR and the Pro. They got it the worst.
Undertaker, what was the amount or percentage sold during the holidays then? 20% was the only indicator given if I'm recalling correctly. I'm just assuming that the percentage was more or less consistent during the holidays. We don't know the exact numbers.
@Outside_ofthe_Box: That was part of the point that was left unsaid. Nobody except for Sony knows exactly how many Pro units have been sold. Even a lot of Sony employees likely wouldn't be in the loop when it comes to a flat out number. This is due to Sony bulking PS4 & PS4 Pro numbers together, even on their own financial reports. https://www.sony.net/SonyIn... It also goes to show that individuals here spitting out "numbers" don't factually know the numbers either nor a direct timeframe for those numbers. Some say it was by the end of the year, some say the end of January, some say the end of their quarter, and some even later. Here's the bottom line. If PS4 sold ten million units from November 2016 to June 2017 and one in five is accurate that accounts for two million PS4 Pro units being sold in that over six month timeframe. Even if PS4 managed twenty million in that timeframe that'd give Pro four million units again, in an over six month timeframe. Twenty million PS4 units were not sold in that timeframe. That's being generous to say the least. If all of that is followed ten million sold overall would leave Pro selling roughly 333,334 units a month on average since launch. Twenty million would result in 666,667 units a month on average. We also know that is not the case as Pro launch would've been higher seeing as it was a new product launched just in time for the holidays where it would also gain the most sales out of the timeframe.
Actually, the percentage PS4pro to PS4 ratio was 20% (ie 1 in 5) so taking the 8 million PS4's sold over last years holiday season then the PS4pro sold about 1.6 million which is still a good sell for a mid generation console. Edit. That will teach me to read a thread before commenting. "Outside_ofthe_Box" beat me to the comment. 😉
Well xbox one x costs more, so no they won't reach PS4 Pro numbers. Also MS won't produce so many units so the demand is there even after the holidays. 1m Xbox one x consoles sounds right for a "mid-cycle console upgrade launch".
Wii U and Vita are not good examples of success
That was probably the point. It was a clever stealth dig. It's like comparing it to the Virtual Boy or Jaguar
PS4 has no rival...period.
Except for the Switch.
Switch...and looks like the X will be giving it some competition. So, yeah, it does have some.
@LastCenturyRob No, the Switch really is the PS4's only competition. Xbox just doesn't matter anymore.
Why didn't you use PSPGo & 2dsXL sales?/
With no new AAA exclusives this holiday. I doubt it
Bro PUBG is a big one. Although the game isn't fully released yet, it's much more relevant than many exclusives (bombas like Gravity Rush 2) released this year. Almost sold 9 million copies on Steam. It's big for console-only players.
PUBG is a timed exclusive. Not to mention I have that game (early access on steam) on PC and it's not that great imo it's overrated.
Why would you compare it to Gravity Rush 2? (GR2 is a great game btw) How about comparing it to Uncharted 4 or Horizon. Plus everyone knows it's coming to PS4.
It's big on pc no one knows if that will be the case on consoles especially since history as shown that plenty of times success on pc doesn't translate to console.
PUBG is a terrible, terrible! acronym
xbox fanboys still pretending PUBG is exclusive. Enjoy it while it lasts I guess.
In Megamans world 8 million people equates to one of him, lol.
What's that stand for..Pretty Ugly Big Girl?
No PS4 exclusive from any year is as relevant as PUBG.
Imo PUBG looks underwhelming & uninteresting.
PUBG will not be good on console. Just to clear things up, I mean any console.
You're going to be waiting a long time to play PUBG on PS4.
@Ashlen Bro Uncharted 4 released in 2016. I'm pretty sure PUBG sold copies more than Horizon ZD + Gravity Rush 2 + Yakuza 0 + Persona 5 and more!
Grand Theft Auto V is bringing out a "Battle Royal" addition and if that comes out before PUBG is released on the PS4 then the game may be competing against it and the likes of Destiny 2 (6th September 2017), Battlefront 2 (17th November 2017) not to mention COD WW2 (3rd November 2017), as well as Overwatch (last year).
I'm looking to buy it and get my money's worth. I'm in that space where console is my pick and love early access, conan is certainly worth the $35 or whatever it was also
@MegamanXXX "With no new AAA exclusives this holiday. I doubt it" PUBG is kind of a big deal, so is Forza 7. Can you provide all those stellar AAA exclusives during the holidays the PS4 and WiiU had for the last 3 years? @MegamanXXX5m ago "PUBG is a timed exclusive. Not to mention I have that game on PC and it's not that great imo it's overrated." No confirmation yet on any other console and it is approaching 1 million concurrent users on Steam, what game on any console compares to that?
Don't really care for the game but to answer your question I'm sure it will be on the PS4 just because of the install base and it should make more profit than the Xbox one just because of the user base. Developers need money. Don't act like it's an Xbox exclusive it's a console launch time exclusive. Forza 7 is not a system seller even though it's a great game. XBOX needs a new system seller. Check out the UPDATE news on PUBG lmao. Here you go Moldy https://www.google.com/amp/...
Of course it's coming to PS4. Look at the way they're talking about it when asked about its exclusivity, they're jumping through hoops to avoid giving a clear, direct answer. It's a 'console launch exclusive'.
@ Megaman Why should it be on ps4. I keep hearing from you specifically that almost all the gamers have a ps4 and PC. And if not PC then you kept suggesting to build one than buying xbox as all xbox games are now available on PC and the best version is on PC. So why should PUBG be on pro as its the weakest available hardware for this game. And before you say that im retarted.... I know the story of exclusivity. So it will come when it comes to PS club. May be 3 months or 6 or may be a year later or may be after 2 yrs which is not the point anyway.
PUBG was already kind of a big deal before Microsoft ever touched it. Forza is more of the exact same. PUBG will be on PS4, why dont you pack it in and give up on your holy crusade. Either that or see if you can get Microsoft to start paying you for all your hard work.
Confirmation from the makers at E3 actually saying THIS YEAR it was Xbox exclusive.
Is someone going to buy an XB1 exclusively for that game? ... ... I'll wait.
Here's the deal....PS hase had exclusive building up all year. If you're not on ps already, you have all of those exclisives for the system or....PUBG and Forza 7 yaaaaawn.
@shiva1 It's "retarded" and that doesn't help your case.
Batlegrounds is coming to PS4 but we are talking here about the holiday season.. ..is batlegrounds coming this holiday season to ps4?
PUBG? I guess the casual viewers on twitch stream who watch PubG can now ask their mom’s to buy them an xbox one x .
Everyone keeps saying its coming to PS4 ( PUBG that is ), but all I've seen is how most of you on PS don't care about it anyway, saying its overrated and not that great, but you know damn well that if/when it does come to PS it will be the most talked about game and how much you love it then.
I want the games coming out next year too. Thieves, decay 2, ashen and crackdown are on my watch list
That 500 bux pricetag won't help either.
Except most sales come from Multiplatform sales, but I know you have to keep with your exclusives narrative. You really should consider new material. You're quite boring.
Yea except multi-platforms are on both consoles and PC. Exclusives sell consoles.
@Ashlen Big time Multiplats still on average outperform exclusives even when considering individual sales on a specific platform.
Well if you don't have to spend money on games you can easily buy a new console.
Not good but not that bad either. Peace V
I'll be on of those one million. Hopefully the system does well.
Same. I hope i can find one
I hope people can find games to play on the 500$ "thing". pfft
Yep, we'll all have over 100 upgraded games to choose from on day 1.
Why do you care?
Sony fans care so much about you Xbox fans!
I think thats about right.. Its likely going to sell to all the xb fans in the beginning then sales will drastically slow down... At least until some games that utilize its power are released.. Even then, i dont think that many xb fan have 4K tvs to use this to its fullest potential.. We'll see but a million around launch time seems right
Stop complaining and enjoy tbe fact that if you want one you can buy it!! I have a ps4 pro and a switch, and the xbox one x will be sitting nicely next to them, im not a sony man, or xbox or nintendo, im just a gamer that loves gaming ;)
You're a rich man?
No at all
I got a base ps4 and switch for $500
Not much quality of life there bud. What exactly are you accomplishing or contributing in life with all of those systems?
Quality of life?!? What are u going on about?! So do u know anything about my life bud! I have a great life, im no rich by any means but i get by!!!
What's it mean to you how many consoles or how much he owns?
If it sells well we may here numbers, if it does poorly we will hear Microsoft say things like "we are overwhelmed by the response from the community" and we wont get any actual numbers, I'd expect the later.