It's clear that Bethesda is going to squeeze every last dollar it can out of Skyrim.
""Adding insult to injury, it looks like they had to lower all the settings to "garbage mode" to get it working in VR." Pretty happy I've sat out VR to this point...
...Interesting... It appears this might be the worse version of Skyrim to own. It seems PSVR just can't handle a game like Skyrim, without dumbing everything down to make it VR accessible.
Which is laughable considering that Skyrim by default is technically one of the worst running game. So many bugs and such.
Bethesda should have just made an off brand Oblivion game tailored to VR's strengths instead of trying to do some type of direct port. VR shouldn't be the dumping grounds for bad ports
Well they also jumped on Phil Spenser for saying VR was not ready for primetime. Looks like he was correct. I was thinking Bethesda might finally make good use of the tech as they have several patents around VR. But here we are with more proof that VR is still in pre-alpha stage. Thanks for waiting Phil.
oh and Phil - cheers for 2 iterations of Kinect. Sorry Phil I nearly forgot, thank you also for 'FORCING' your fans to buy it if they wanted to upgrade to your new console. Dud tech getting 'FORCED' onto potential buyers. But thanks Phil. PSVR is good tech, is it the best VR headset - no. But if you've played Resident evil on it, you won't go back to 2D. And some of the games are fun. It's a shame that SKYRIM isn't looking the best, but just the way things go sometimes. Look at Crackdown 3 for example.
What does Kinect have to do with this? This is about Bethesda making a garbage VR game(apparently), not which console maker fucked over their consumer the most. this is N4g basically now. bunch of ps4 loving bisnatches jerking eachother off. Sad, it used to actually have some good news and leaks. All there is now is redundant opinion pieces and guys like oldboy shifting every topic to MS did this, MS did that. So you don't care that the company that you love so much puts out a shitty port of a great game? at that point ur not a fan anymore, just blinded by fanboyism. Even you as fanboy can't even say the games are good on PSVR, 'And some games are fun' ranslates into 'i hoped for greatness but its actually pretty shitty, ah well gotta say something to not discredit sony 2 much'
@oldboy That was mattrick When Phil was in charge that is when there were bundles with and without the kinect
Your the only one jumping on Phil for no reason here haha The article has nothing to do with that guy
Michael - it was all in response to Bigpappy. Come on mate the biggest pricks on N4G are Xbox owners, all the people above are Xbox owners. I doubt they have owned a PlayStation console. The comparison was made with Kinect because it was a failure in reality. An absolute dud. It's amazing how shitty people get when a few truths smack'em in the face. I actually hate Bethesda, they are one of a few companies that get a free pass. Their games are too ambitious and need longer development times.
@oldboy - again, what does Kinect have anything to do with VR? They aren't even in the same realm. Compare the Kinect sensor to the PS4 camera if you want.. since they do very similar things. I think that is the point that people are bringing up here. The comment about Phil was in regards to VR. You bringing up the failure of Kinect to help make you feel better doesn't change that simple fact.
He was right but you know Microsoft they are always late to the party, Playstation and Sony introduced most of the goodies we are enjoying now, DVD, Blu Ray, etc. and they brought VR to mainstream when Mictosoft decide that now it's ready it will be again too late for the and they will continue playing the catch up game... Sony and others who went the VR route are learning and they will come on top on the prime time MS is talking...
Neonridr - strip all the rhetoric from my comment. What does an average game have to do with the success of VR?
@oldboy I had a ps2/PS3/ and currently own a PS4. You can go right ahead and look me up. Same username. "What does an average game have to do with the success of VR?" When it's meant to be a game that drives adoption of VR (they are only just over 1 million units right now on a 60+million install base) and it seems terrible it's not gonna look good on VR as a whole.
I realize that you responded to bigpappy, and guess what? it seems he is right about phil, VR has been lackluster so far and Phil kind of predicted it. I really never see xbox owners trying to discredit Sony as badly as vice versa. I don't care which console is your favorite, even is its the Atari Jaguar, there is no reason to flame one company on every topic (even if the topic is not even about them). I'm actually surprised i got as many upvotes as I did, normally when i don't talk about ps4 like it's a machine send from heaven i get way more downvotes than upvotes.
wow phil told you vr was not ready so you choose to not support because he said so? i have the psvr and its been worth every penny,if i could afford it i would support vive and oculus but i dont have the time or cash. And that bs about the techs not there yet just blows my mind, every tech ever create startet somewhere and it grew because people supporting the tech. standing on the sideline complaining is not helping anybody. I wanted Xbox too support vr but they dont yet and thats a shame, i would have bought the Xbox one x day 1 if it had it,but it dont, partly because off complainers like you. try vr yourself an make up you own opinion instead off listening to a ceo from big corporation. Peace:)
There are a good portion of primetime VR games for just being out in a year. Was xbox not ready for primetime because it had a crappy launch of 'exclusives' compared to ps4? Oh wait, it still barely has any actual exclusives and been that way for years, was Xbox not ready for gaming? No, whoever makes the deals and releases PR on team xbox was not ready, thats who....and people like you...
@subtenko What the heck is that gibberish about? Xbox had more launch exclusives then the ps4 did and had more exclusives over the first while of the consoles. Have they had a dry spell? Yeah sure they have. Has it been bad, yeah obviously as you can see with the sales this year slowing, but it still has had lots of games. And saying there have been plenty of "prime time VR games out" thats a lie. There has only been a few good VR games and definitely they haven't been worth the admission price or more people would have bought it then the 1 million they are sitting at right now
Waiting on new tech is not how you get good at creating it, and definitely not how you make it "ready". If everyone waited VR would have died. It has to have its own jumping off point just like consoles themselves did. No, the reason Phil didn't support VR, is he couldn't. Not enough studios to dedicate the manpower.
Wait... as I recall when PSVR was launching Phil was telling you they would have VR, it was only later they backed down. Your trying to re-write history to downplay one of the biggest instances of double talk.
@edito, SegaCD and Phillips CDi did it before Sony. Sony was the first to market with DVD if we ignore PC. When the original Xbox launched the year after PS2, it features a DVD player as well as a HDD and broadband only connection. Sony was first to market withBlu-ray with the PS3. Oddly Sony stopped supporting cutting edge storage formats with PS4. Only Xbox offers UHDBR playback. HDD's, broadband gaming, chat, achievements, and friends lists all happened on Xbox before PlayStation.
I have oculus rift and it is insane. Maybe psvr is bad or just bad for this game but you shouldn't write off VR. As a gamer um telling you it is legit. If you don't believe me thats okay but boy are you missing out
PSVR is not bad at all. What we have here is a demo of a game not built for VR that's still in development to adapt it to VR. Look at games like Dirt VR, Dick Wilde, Farpoint, Resident Evil 7 and so on and you'll see what the PSVR can do :-) VR is the future and the future is already here with PSVR, Rift and Vive
The thing I am disappointed about is that the VR only gets VR games, no normal experiences set in vr with a new way of playing them (physical motions or w/e). Gotta say I didn't pay much attention to VR lately so there might already be some normal games that got VR'd. I'm really not interested in VR games, I wan't the games I play normally with a new way of playing and experiencing them. Untill they do that well, I'm not going to buy VR.
VR is not the future. It hasn't been tested in any way really. Especially heath effects. I got sick from one hour. Also VR cuts people off from actual life completely. So, not the future.
what did ppl expect? Did ppl rally think that bethesda a studio that releases broken games will deliver a quality VR game??
As if there were many quality VR games in the 1st place.
so elder scrolls oblivion was crap to you? i have a ps vr and it's freaking awesome. you gotta understand that VR is new, but it's tasty. Are the graphics worse than standard ps4? yes but they're on par with ps3 graphics, so was ps3 crap? no it was awesome. VR will never catch up to regular gaming because the demands on power are literally double. The problem now is that some developers are still learning and produce very bad graphical games. if you wanna get a taste of VR at it's finest: Farpoint Batman arkham asylum. if you want great graphics: Robinson the journey. if you want some atmospheric scary stuff: Resident evil, or blood rush Now if you want to see some bad VR implementation: Driveclub, this is horrible Here they lie, bad graphics, nauseating movement IMO VR is great but it's just the first gen. Just keep in mind VR will ALWAYS have worse graphics than standard. But it doesn't matter, there's nothing like a good VR experience it really transports you to another world.
the Steam eventual port and yes this is a timed exclusive will be the way to play this.
no offense to the PS4, but it's no match for PC's with the Rift / Vive. While the headset resolutions in those aren't that much better, it's the fact that with decent hardware you can ensure you are running things with high settings all around.
Vr is great on pc. The gear is better and power isn’t a problem. Sony was maybe a bit too ambitious to get vr on PS4. It’s just not enough of a machine and the move controllers are years behind the oculus and rift input devices.
Thats like looking at some games in ps store saying "these look like 1990s flash games for kids. When all you did was look at a small portion of what games that have and you incidentally looked up the bottom of the barrel (a quarter of those free games on psn which Im wondering who even plays them, probably not even kids) If I look at crackdown 3 and say open world gaming is dead, it'd be stupid, you got RDR2 coming out and eventually a GTA6..
Tonnes of misinformation in this article. Everyone is looking for an excuse to dump on VR and it's getting pathetic. One tweet in this article claims that smooth walking through the world is impossible which has already be confirmed as false SINCE REVEAL, DS4 will be supported for the same controls as the PS4 version. Then he claims that you have unlimited flamethrower and sword waggle for combat, completely ignoring that they turned on god mode for this 'very' limited demo, they give you infinite magic and health and enemies go down in one hit in this DEMO. Then the second, and final (wow, basing this whole article on the opinions of 2 random youtubers) guy claims: "[In the non-VR version] when you're going through the wilderness, you'll get jumped by 10 bandits. That is not at all the case anymore — every single enemy I saw fought me one-on-one " This guy played the same demo as everyone else which was restricted to Bleak Falls Barrow, so his talk about what happens in the wilderness if completely fabricated. He also has stupid complaints relating to restrictions of the demo, even a bethesda dev came to his comment section to clarify his BS. "Adding insult to injury, it looks like they had to lower all the settings to "garbage mode" to get it working in VR." And yet Alannah Pearce of IGN said it looks very close to the PS4 version of Skyrim. Surely she would have noticed if it was 'garbage mode'? Keep the VR hate going, let's all ignore the facts.
So I rarely give Kotaku hits because it's Kotaku, but tend to read the comments to see if it's worth reading, but from what I see you saying, this article isn't even a first hand experience, but based on a couple tweets?
@rainslacker Oh you better believe it man.
Here's another preview of Skyrim VR that says judging it against fallout 4 VR on the vive and they believe psvr is the issue https://uploadvr.com/fallou...
So, because Bethesda puts out a trash port, it's because of VR? It's Bethesda. One of the buggiest, most overrated companies in the industry. Don't blame VR, blame Bethesda.
But a game that's supposed to be a huge selling title for VR is showing the limitations of VR. Much like GTsport only doing 1vs1 in VR or driveclub with the graphics downgrade. The systems just aren't ready
VR is a different beast. The game has to be developed from the ground up....FROM SCRATCH! When u try to Port something never designed for VR this is what u get...crap. Sure Bethesda could have made a good VR Skyrim game but they took the easy (lazy) route. Again crap (supposedly).
VR is exciting technology, but developers are failing to give anybody a reason to invest in it. This game in particular just feels like a cash grab. I hope VR isn't smothered in its crib because of opportunistic garbage like this.
@Kribwalker Well you've missed out on a truly new and rewarding innovation but whatever floats your boat. Personally I didn't know I could be as immersed in a video game in my lifetime as I have been on numerous occations this past year.
VR is great but you really need to play PC VR to get a true impression. PSVR kind of sucks. I've had a blast with my Oculus over the past year. Game experiences that are just impossible with normal flat games.
"Here's another preview of Skyrim VR that says judging it against fallout 4 VR on the vive and they believe psvr is the issue" Did you even read what he said? All his complaints are about the Move controller, not the PSVR itself, you can play this game with a standard dualshock 4 controller, which would literally eliminate all of his complaints about it. People are only seeing what they want to see with these previews.
Yikes...good thing I didn't fall for the VR trap with any device. A 6-year old game can't perform as good on this as it did on the 360? Everyone buying it will have an experience of a lifetime that will be remembered forever.
Have you tried it? I bought a Rift 2 weeks ago and haven't had any regrets. You have to understand 2 things going into it though. 1. Don't expect a traditional gaming experience. Graphics are not high res and clear like on your monitor. You won't move or interact with your environment like you would with a controller or mouse/keyboard. 2. Everything is in its infancy. The hardware and software. But that doesn't mean that what is on the market right now isn't impressive. What we have now is excellent proof that VR tech has great potential and It's going to be exciting to see what Gen 2 hardware brings us.
believe it or not VR is relatively old tech, just new in consoles. VR will NEVER take off! It isn't practical! Until you don't have to wear glasses, it'll never become commonplace. In fact, I'll bet that VR will NEVER catch on. It's going to go the way of 3D. Nintendo did it right w/the 3DS, no glasses!
@modelgod Care to explain how we are supposed to enjoy a VR headset without the headset?
@BlindGuyMcSqueazy I've tried PSVR about year ago for a few hours, stayed clear of any VR device ever since. That is one of the better VR headsets out there too.
Dude, you're really missing out. Maybe stop being so full of yourself and just try it some time.
Tried it about year ago, a friend's PSVR to be exact. Here am I with negative comments about it. Wonder why?
What exactly are they missing out? I tried some VR games and they were basically games I could currently play set in a lower resolution world with the ability to look around the room and see more. I certainly see the novelty to it, but it's hard to justify the cost when it does so little.
You have to keep teleporting to move... PSVR fans finaly justifying their purchase /s
"[In the non-VR version] when you're going through the wilderness, you'll get jumped by 10 bandits. That is not at all the case anymore — every single enemy I saw fought me one-on-one ... it was super, super simplified; the world was basically empty." Same thing we are expecting with GT Sport and only having one on one racing. PSVR has its limits and because it also has to accomodate the regular PS4 those limits are even higher. If VR on the PC for Skyrim is also being tailored back I can't help but think it's becasue of some parity clause which would not be acceptable.
"parity clause" Lol since when has bethesda ever have a bug free, smooth game, let alone with Playstation in general. Look, i know psvr is limited due to hardware, but even still, this game in vr would most likely be bad period, even on pc. When bethesda announced vr for skyrim i couldnt help but laugh because of how buggy their games are in general on all platform, pc included. The pc version will without question be the better version, however a modded base game (non vr to vr) from some random will most likely be the superior of any of the versions to be fair.
I don't remember getting jumped on by ten or more bandits. I suppose if you aggro all the enemies in the combat zone that may happen but it is pretty easy to sneak and take out each one individually. BTW. I usually limit my stealth skills otherwise the game just becomes ridiculously easy. Anyway, I have already sunk over 500 hours into Skyrim so I don't think I would get the VR version unless it was exceptional and that means at least an hour playthrough. I could see the PSVR's cinema mode being used on the "normal" game being interesting.
It's funny, the switch version gets bashed because it doesn't have all the remaster enhancements on a 6 year old game, then they take walking out of the game dumb it down and turn the settings to "garbage mode" And I'm sure some people will turn around and praise it.....
I won't praise it. Nope. But I also won't use it as an excuse employed by jealous fanboys to attack VR in general because they own one of the platforms that doesn't have VR and they praise their leader that is incapable of giving them a decent new IP. VR has and will continue to have incredible experiences with jawdropping moments. News flash, a Bethesda game isn't going to be one of them. Well who would have thought that? But let's throw the baby out with the bathwater so I can feel good about purchasing a $500 console with no games.
An actual quote from someone who tried the game at an Gamestop Expo "The demo was brief and just a foray into the first dungeon on the mountaintop. Gameplay was very smooth and the spells were really powerful to use and fling around. Everything was extremely smooth, not lag or jittering. Bow and arrow mechanic was really fun and I nailed a few guys at a fair distance. Ed Muldoon from Bethesda was there. He did confirm that beyond teleporting with the Move Controllers, you'll also be able to accomplish fluid locomotion with the Move Controllers, so great news. Same options with Dualshock 4. Can't wait! The demos for Starchild (Metroid like game from Lucky's Tale Dev), Moss, The Inpatient and Bravo Team looked great too. All of them had great graphics even just on the social screen. Only GT Sport wasnt as impressive looking tho I wasn't able to try it." https://www.reddit.com/r/PS...
@morganfell - pretty sure Xbox wasn't even mentioned in Krib's comment. It was Nintendo. How come anytime someone who supports Sony feels a little insecure they have to bring up MS and bash them for no reason?
@morganfell I own a switch and PS4 as well and if I wanted I could get psvr, but I have chosen against this thing. @exoil This guy who is in the article played it as well and came away with a completely different experience
@kribwalker: Being an owner of the PSVR I of course try to find as much information about it and it's games as possible. None of the previews I've read, listened to or watched have mentioned anything about "garbage" graphics or "complete dumpster fire" which instantly makes me wary about anything this guy has to say and therefore rather listen to the other guy who played it which impression falls more in line with the majority. The biggest grief about Skyrim VR I've read about is the scaling issue and teleportation, atleast the latter already mentioned that there will be full locomotion support in the full game. If you see a good deal on the PSVR you really should get it, if you don't already own another VR device. The graphics won't impress you, but the immersion will.
Neonridr, Do you really think I was only talking about Xbox because I mention a price tag at the end. Sure that was directed at Redmond but examine the early part of my remark. It is anyone that feels things like Switch is next gen and VR a gimmick then please allow me to write you off now. If you need assistance understanding my initial remarks then visit rif.org And I do not have a security issue. I just find it laughable when ridiculous people tell me they do not believe in something they do not own and have not operated with a variety of software. I would say people attacking VR are the one's feeling insecure. Who threw first? Jealous much? People in glass houses... For a person to say they own a PS4 as if it is a qualifier of objectivity is absurd. Hardware ownership does not engender impartiality any more than owning a fast car makes you an Indy driver. I know a guy that owns a Batman outfit. He isn't a crime fighter or a billionaire. I own two Xbox1s consoles. Does that make me objective? But at least I can speak with authority on VR owning several different units from various hardware companies. None of which by the way if Microsoft OR Nintendo.
With ps move controllers yes because they dont have analogs..as far as I know you can move normally on dual shock 4.. hopefully sony will announce new move controllers with analog sticks
The PSMove does have analogs if you get the navigator attachment although you can just as easily use the dual shock 4 controller however the navigator is so much more comfortable and easier to use than trying to hold a DS4 in one hand. You can still buy the Navigator and it is fairly cheap although, for some reason, they are hardly advertised. Just type "playstation move navigation controller" in any search engine.
They are allowing you to tilt the Move to move around, similar to what can be seen in The Fight on PS3, which in my opinion is a really intuitive way to move around using the Moves
@nitus10 The Navigaton controllers don't work with PS4. Still have a couple from the PS3 days and, while they pair, they are not usable in any game. PSVR games are made with tracked Move's in mind. I had hoped I could use one during a simplified PSVR game, but no dice. It is a shame they couldn't have released a Move with a built in nav, or a shell for older navs that put a tracking ball on top. An analog stick would make a great deal of difference. I got a Rift about a month ago and, after playing with the Touch controllers, felt Sony really dropped the ball by not figuring out a way to include at least one analog stick. I'm truly hoping once Skyrim gets a port to PC that Oculus is supported natively (or via an enterprising modder), and that a good deal of the issues can be sorted out. I'd really like a big open world game like this to exist in VR when you can truly "inhabit" it. Fallout 4 has been getting a bit better buzz for its VR conversion, but I'd love to take a stroll through Skyrim as well. I'll also hold out hope Skyrim was just a bad experience for Super Bunnyhop. It's unfortunate Kotaku doesn't have their own hands on to draw from. Jeremy from Tested said some things were off with scale, but it didn't sound "dumpster fire" levels of bad lol
For once we agree :)
Yes because when you buy a PSVR you do it to play port number eight of Skyrim. Holy shit you're stupid.
Thats an issue with the game, not psvr. Farpoint does not require teleport movement. And i kinda half expected skyrim vr to be crap. Its a cash grab milked by one of the most buggy devs out there. This game is by no means a psvr standard.