Will we ever play on PS4 against our friends on Xbox One and vice versa? Gamescom offers us some interesting rumors and informations
Microsoft could always try to get FFXIV on XO since that'd be easy to have cross platform play with PS4
honestly sony would have to be incredibly dumb to agree to online cross play or cross chat. they would only lose market share. Imagine 10 friends want game consoles. 3 buy a ps4 and then the next 7 want to play online with them so they also buy a ps4. however 4 of those 7 actually wanted an xbox one a little more than a ps4. if cross play and chat are available they could buy the console of their choice. as a result xbox sales could rise and ps4 sales fall. microsoft will try and make sony seem like the bad guy and say something like "oh well we're thinking about the gamers" but no...they're thinking about money and gaining market share my friends an I discussed which one we would all buy when they first came out. and I'm sure a lot of others did the same thing.
But wouldn't it be better if everybody had the chance to buy the console they desire and still be able to play together instead of having to discuss who will be "forced" to buy another console? Microsofts direction is to make Xb ox a gaming platform on multiple devices with Windows10 core and they want to open up to allow crossplay so that more gamers can come together and play. Imagine games that are having a low multiplayer gamer count after some time. Would be amazing to have the option to play with Xbox, PC and PS4 gamers together and having a bigger user base of the game. The total player count would be the same, but lobbies would be full and the few that still play would have more fun and stick to the game instead of abandoning it. I think the idea is great. Also devs would have a bigger reason to keep maintaining their games if there are still enough people to play.
This pressure wont stop ps4 sales Sony is not worried
If the tables were turned and MS were the market head and Sony trying to catch up, I sure MS would be doing the same thing. It would be in MS best interest to increase the player pool into the Playstation network, plus once their new console comes out it would help sway people who currently have a PS console but want to still play with their other PS buddies. With a more powerful console, pushing the multi platform games for their console MS could really push ahead. So I'm not surprised if Sony don't agree with that if they already have the dominate player pool. What would they get out of it?
"If the tables were turned and MS were the market head and Sony trying to catch up, I sure MS would be doing the same thing." They were and they did. Last generation.
for the clowns who do not want to understand, that's pretty well summarized! PS4 will never have cross play. Xbox is doing this out of desperation so people can view them as the open company trying to fulfill gamer's greatest fantasy.
Thats a scenario that can go either way , not just locked down to one platform.
Dude. The same goes the other way. So it likely evens out if not actually in favor of Sony.
Perhaps at some point down the line we will have a perfect unity in the game space. where a game is released in a universal format that is playable on whatever platform/pc the user has. Very much like we have for movies. it wont matter if its made by sony, Ms, Dell, HP, toshiba, sanyo or even Nintendo. That box is just simply the means to play the game and the game is designed to play on varying degrees of hardware (much like PC games are). It isnt happening right now but there is potential for it to happen at some point. Then it wont matter what service someone uses as online everything is unified. MS was stupid for turning down the opportunity last gen and Sony is not doing themselves any favors by being just as stubborn. And it's really quite funny how its these two. MS will have cross platform with PC as well as Nintendo. Sony will have cross platform with PC as well as Nintendo and if you use the PC as the neutral zone then there is no reason both MS and Sony can be in the same online server together. If the MAC and PC can overcome their differences and game online in harmony.... then so can MS and Sony.
@Gwynbleidd: "Microsofts direction is to make Xb ox a gaming platform on multiple devices with Windows10 core and they want to open up to allow crossplay so that more gamers can come together and play." on a MS product it makes sense for them. just like Sony bringing their games to pc via PSnow. But wanting Sony connect to a MS product would slowly hurt Sony's sales.
@morganfell Why does no one remember that? lol
And 5 years ago was otherwise.
It seems the only ppl up in arms about this are xbox gamers with a small portion of PS gamers who actually want it also. Seems the majority of PS gamers could give a flying you know what as they aren't losing sleep over this. I know I'm not losing any sleep over not having this feature lol.
FF14's director tried to get it on xbox but MS said no as SE wouldn't make a Xbox only server, in fact he's still open to launching on xbox if MS were willing to say yes. As for MS's current cross-play push Sony might be more willing to go along with it if MS didn't require non xbox uses to sign in with an XBL account. EDIT: just remembered about DCUO - PC/PS4/PS3 all play on the same servers (US/EU) but when it launched on Xbox it was on it's own separate servers and despite the xbox player base dropping off a lot after launch there seem so be no sing of the servers being merged, you'd think if MS was all about the cross-play they'd allow/encourage a server merge
I think it was that, but many other issues on why FF14 is not on XONE.
@Fallen.....I see what you did there. =)
Its obvious at this point that sony will demand some advantages to let this happen
Sony tried this with ps3 and 360 MS wanted nothing to do with it. Now MS trying to make sony look like the bad guy. GTFO. By the way I dont play online games but they are being hypocrites.
Yup. Here is the link http://kotaku.com/5813740/i... SONY: FK you MS
I especially like this statement from that article. It's part of a direct quote from a Microsoft Spokesperson. "Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability." Now of course MS seems to want to change their tune. Maybe because they are getting trounced in sales or maybe they just realize they messed up last gen. Who can really say? I do know that statement sounds a lot like what Sony said at E3. Now that being said I do see a way that Sony could allow cross play on some games and still protect their player base. The upcoming patch changes the way parents can control their kids accounts. I have to think their would be a way to add in a setting that would give parents the option of whether to allow cross play or not. I do think the big hangup at least for Minecraft is that it requires a Live account. Not sure what the hangup can be for Rocket league but Sony for all we know could be looking at this behind closed doors and can still make changes later as they see fit. Whether they ever do or not. I don't really care. But for some to bash Sony on this when they have reached out in the past to make it happen is just wrong.
That article only points out that both parties had crossplay with PC on some games and not on others. The article also mentions that while MS actually came out to explain why, which is perfectly reasonable as compatibility between the two networks would need to be invested on,...Sony was all hush hush.
@WasimAkram If you had read further down the article you would have ready the following: "I checked with Sony's public relations team, but they didn't come up with an official statement yet about how their company feels about the possibility of cross-console gaming" It seems to me that both companies weren't really too interested in doing crossplatform, ie PSN linking to XBL or vice-versa.
@Jeff It's funny, because that quote is basically a better explanation of the same thing that Sony said as to why they weren't allowing it. Sony just tried to spin it in some "think of the kids" nonsense.
If everybody thought like you do we would still be in war with Germany and Japan. Times change and people move on, Governments change and relationships change. Back then in the old 360 days Microsoft were a different breed and run by the infamous Don Mattrick. Since then, Microsoft have tidied up there game a lot since those days with staff and policies etc. Isn't it time to finally move on and that's coming from a guy who has two PS4 Pro's in my household. Cross platform play is consumer friendly and the opposite stance is anti consumer. If the PlayStation moto was "for the player" then they should consider crossplay and at least give choice if one wants to opt in or not. I for one would love to see tournaments between PlayStation players and Xbox players. My gosh ,the banter would be awesome and the matches fiercely competitive each trying to get one over the other. It would be even great to spectate such matches.
What is this madness??? Rationality doesn't apply here! You should learn to kiss a** of one and sh*t on the other in order to be accepted here.
Don't compare war to business. One results in deaths the other doesn't.
"Times change and people move on" Yes, when it is convenient for MS. "Don't compare war to business. One results in deaths the other doesn't." Agreed. It always makes me shake my head when I see one of those old books telling people they can use Go Rin No Sho for business. I do not remember anyone getting their head cut off when they didn't make a sale.
um...ok. Buddy, relax, its not that serious.
They didnt tidy up anything. Truth is sony is handing their ass to them and they need good pr, so throw sony under the boss.
I think Microsoft just wants some of that 60+ million userbase so their online lobbies aren't so empty
Ya, this just speaks to what happens when one company starts to dominate. They get cocky and start telling gamers what is best vs. listening to what gamers want. Whether it is Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Steam, etc. Gamers should not want any one company to dominate gaming. Competition creates innovation. Without competition innovation has no reason.
Its on the competition to compete though. Its not Sonys fault MS has not prepared for this generation. Is it Sony's fault Xbox first party are struggling? That they have the studios doing the same games? That MS were forced to reset 4 years in? How come you guys don't call MS on their shortcomings? Sony came better prepared and have delivered where it counts, that's why they are dominating.
@Chevalier Ummmmm... I did not single any company out negatively. You are reading stuff into it that is not there. I did say when one company dominates it is bad. It doesn't matter what company it is to me. MS started to dominate with 360 and then they went to sleep. Sony has dominated since the start of this gen and it is mostly asleep at the wheel.
"Xbox Live delivers the best entertainment experience unmatched by anyone else, with 35 million actively engaged members. We have a high level of expectation for our game developers to ensure that all Live experiences remain top notch. Because we can't guarantee this level of quality, or control the player experience on other consoles or gaming networks, we currently do not open our network to games that allow this cross-over capability."
I’d keep it closed as well. In order to do crossplay you’d need an xbox live account as well.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you use a Windows 10 computer don't you already have an Xbox live account since Windows uses a Microsoft sign in account, which you also use to sign in to Xbox live on the console or to the Windows 10 Xbox app on a PC?
You don't need a Microsoft account for Windows 10, you can use it if you wish like you said otherwise just setup a normal computer account like older versions of Windows.
I got a Ms account I opened years ago (because I had to) but I dont think it has anything to do with an xb live acc. It just uses it to run windows Im not interested in using xb live anyway Been using PSN to play on PS and want to keep it that way
Ok...no, you don't. Maybe you should actually use windows 10 to know this.
There are perks and added features for doing so, but no, it's not required. You can skip that step in the set up process. A lot of people do have a live account of some form. Hotmail, outlook, live, xbox, etc. You can use any of them to access the features of any of those various services or products from MS from one account....which is a nice thing really. personally, I used my long standing hotmail account as my XBL login, although I do have another account for Xbox development purposes as provided by my company. In any case, it doesn't matter that a lot of people have one. It doesn't mean they want to access XBL while playing games.
For Rocket League or Ark you don't
What I mean is I don't think that you need one for those two games
Only for Minecraft, not for any of the other games that are getting pushed for crossplay
Keep doing what you're doing Sony.
Well said. I would never ever want to cross-play with the mostly toxic xbone community
That's a bit of a childish comment, sounds to me that the only toxicity is coming from your direction.
Well said chris. Keep those 14yrs old at XBL. We don't want that crap over here on PSN.
insulting a playerbase and claiming they're the toxic ones....lol Sorry to ruin it for you. Toxicity on both consoles. and on PC.
Agreed. @Zero- I didn't buy my PS4 to play MP titles with XONE gamers.....I mean, I generally didn't buy my PS4 to even play many MP titles in the first place. When they have 60 million units in terms of an install base, I don't see the point in worrying about another system's install base of players. That is irrelevant to me and the 60 million that own PS4.
Firstly, PC is much more toxic than XBL, and Sony is happy to crossplay woth them (as are the fans) Secondly, Nintendo - the most kid friendly console on the market - is more than happy to do crossplay with XBL. And yet Sony's 'worried about the children'
LOL.. this cross play talk is the same thing every gen happens. some feature a certain group of consoles owners can't have - and everybody and their mother needs that freaking feature or the world will come to an end. it's one of these features almost no ones uses when it's finally available minus a very, very small group. the same thing went down with useless backwards compatibility. or custom mp3 playlists.
I agree that they r doing much fuss about a few games obviously favouring one console and not game changing. It would be interesting and somehow less hypocritical if they were trying to push for comprehensive crossplay with most big mp games. That, indeed, would benefit the majority of gamers
Remember the big issue of mods on consoles? Years later 1000+ games available, 2 games use it.
Good Job sony. We PS gamers are with you on this. Deal with M$ with iron hand. No need for kumbaya.
Last gen: fuck MS for blocking crossplay, they're holding back progress This gen: Go Sony! Keep blocking crossplay! Fuck MS for trying to do crossplay
MS didn't receive a constant stream of hate about it from people who kept bringing it up. There was some mention of it, and what you said happened, happened, but then people forgot about it. I recall maybe seeing it come up once or twice. MS and Sony weren't discussing it at length. It wasn't being brought up every other week as the end all be all of gaming. There is a marked difference in tone and media attention this gen compared to last, most likely because these indie devs are going around making statements about things which they admit they are not completely informed on and everyone is acting like these guys are 100% informed to be able to base their arguments off of, but in the end, just like last gen, it isn't that big of a deal except to start pointing fingers.
@Acconellan MS: Last gen no big complaints about not taking part Sony: This gen pitchforks galore because its Playstation Yeah so similar. See that goes both ways.
it's not gonna happen, and not anytime soon. If people have the choice to pick a console to play their preferred game they might opt to buy an Xbox one or XBO S, and that's something that Sony won't risk at all having the lead in sales.
MS started this cold war. In the xbox360 era it was MS that did not want cross-play while SONY was open for it. Now MS is doing not so good and they want SONY's help??
Not this again. Again, WHERE WAS MICROSOFT WHEN SONY OFFERED THIS? Maybe if they weren't so busy with 'muh sales' and 'muh halo n' gears', they would have considered the offer in the first place. Don't even give them an inch Sony.
In 2013 Xbox didnt want to allow cross play for FF14 (hence why its not on Xbox). Now they want to try make Sony look like the bad guy. I say give them a taste of their own medicine. http://www.ign.com/articles...
I see the debate is here again. I'll simply say Sony should stop holding back what could be something new and good for the industry and to stop behaving like the child in the room. And yes if ms and Nintendo can take craps for what they're doing wrong so to can Sony. Sony are not blameless and when they're doing something wrong whether they are in front of sales or not doesn't matter, fact is cross play can bring all sorts in the future, wait till it develops as a service and even PlayStation fanboyz and haters end up regretting there choice of sticking by them because of all the cool things it can bring with updates. You all who choose to keep standing by Sony, do so without thought of what good can come from them all being part of cross play.
"Sony should stop holding back what could be something new and good for the industry" Ummm did you feel this way about MS and Nintendo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wi... Holding back? LMFAO! They are the ones that even pioneered this concept and have done it longer, the most times and on more systems. Soooo I don't know where you heard that BS from, but Sony has been doing this more then Nintendo and MS....maybe you should actually REALLY LOOK UP what they've done in cross play.
How are Sony acting like children? They just don't want to accept it for whatever reason. They likely have a good reason. It may or may not be because they're being impudent....you certainly don't know. The devs who keep commenting on this don't seem to know....they even admit they don't know, just that they have a working solution. But their working solutions don't mean crap. Sony has no problem with PC cross play, but they're children because they won't accept MS conditions for cross play to happen?
Good job Sony, let MS sizzle with envy.
I remember when Sony extended their hand and Microsoft slapped it away last gen. MS missed their chance.
C'mon Sony! Be the bigger man.
They should just get War thunder on Xbox and there is game one with cross play!
Since MS is so pro-gamers it should launch its "exclusive" on PS4. So everyone could play all the games without being forced to buy a console just for that. Be the pro-gamers you claim to be, MS.