It's looking to be a rather dismal year for Microsoft which started out with Scalebound being cancelled, a number of exclusives launching in 2018 and Crackdown 3 dated for November but recently pushed to Spring 2018.
Everything Pachter states has almost always been the opposite. Doesnt look good for the xbox one x launch. I can already hear MS at next year's E3: "We've delivered Xbox One X, and have the most diverse starting lineup since the start of this year..." (Totally neglecting the fact that they're all delayed game that were used to make the same statement the year before) yet people eat it up and accept it.
To be honest, Pachter has a point. Not many people will buy an Xbox One X just for Crackdown 3. They woudld rather buy it for Microsof's huge IPs like Gears and Forza. So I am pretty sure its delay wont affect Xbox One X sales but it sure did hurt Microsoft's line-up for this year.
It's not helping them that's for sure. It's not just about people not buying it because It's not launching with Crackdown 3 it's about consumers losing trust in Microsoft due to all the bad press they have created for themselves this year including the delay of Crackdown.
Why should a company release a game that they have shown to the public and received 90% negative feedback on? IS it better to release horrible games that nobody wants, or send them back to the developer and tell them to fix all the issues that are being complained about? I don't get why people are saying this delay is bad? How many of these carnival barkers were ready to buy CD3 in it's current state?
What lineup!? Microsoft lineup this year has been abysmal! Anyone saying otherwise has been living in a dream world like Neo in the matrix. Here's a thought, everyone should have taken the blue pill.
Its been a pretty crap year for exclusive games on xbox but at least we get the new xbox one x. And the 3rd party lineup of games is stellar this year imo and we getting forza 7. Hopefully we get some good exclusives next year.
So why do people buy the PS4 Pro?
Gears or Halo perhaps, but Forza really isn't a huge seller. At least not this gen.
Delaystation. Wait, wrong thread.
@nix A delay is fine, just make sure you got other exclusives to support it.
I cant remember when I bought my Pro if there was a launch game or not. It wouldn't have mattered as I didn't have the extra cash after purchasing it get anything additional anyhow. I really doubt very many were getting the X for C3. I know I'm not planning on getting the game as its not my kind of game.
I was planning to get an X1X, and I was planning to get Crackdown 3, but in no way were those things dependent on one another. I never even thought about it like that until I kept seeing articles calling it a "launch title". That confuses me. It's just another Xbox One game, it will work on all Xbox One consoles.
@SpaceRanger Why Crackdown´s delay would have a negative impact on XBox One X,? Many people here are saying that game is horrible, looks like an old Xbox 360 game and would flop hard on sales. Then the game get delayed for polishing and then all of sudden is the worst thing that could have happen to Xbox One X? God, no matter what, MS can´t win.
To be fair the exact same thing happened with Uncharted 4. Many people made fun of the Nathan Drake glitching through the world (I believe at PSX 2014) & then when the delay was announced people claimed Naughty Dog was in trouble
Very true uptownsoul but the hate for cd3 has been going on for years even before the delay.
It did look horrible, that doesn't change the fact that it was a late year, major release.
It's just fanboy stuff man. Gotta overlook those people. This is for people that like the "console war" stuff.
It's funny because these games were introduced before Xbox one X was even a thing. So he kinda is right.
True that except for when he states things that a child could see from a mile away. Which in this case we knew the XB1X wasn't relying on any individual games to sell it.
@UraDecepticon Didn't Sony say not to long back that 1 out of 5 PS4 consoles sold is a Pro. So it's selling just not as good as the PS4 Slim. Same thing will happen for the XOX. People will buy obviously but it won't sell more than the XB1s per month. At least that is what am thinking anyhow.
More like 1/4 of what he says is obvious, 1/2 is stupid, and the other 1/4 is irrelevant. In this case, I actually believe hes right, because I never believed CD3 was that much of a system seller to begin with, and I think the excitement for it is really not as high as wondering these forums would make it seem.
Xbox game lineup looking rather empty
Empty indeed. I'm waiting for the defenders of the bone to see how they spin this one
I'd like to hear Microsoft's PR spin as well lol More spins than Sonic the Hedgehog
The president and Ceo of spinners..lol
No spin. Game needs more time to make it better. Let's give them that time. If it ends up being crap when it comes out, then pile on and attack like you guys do so well. Win/Win for you Chris! :)
@Relientk77, https://www.theverge.com/20... http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r... “The Xbox One X launch lineup will be one of the greatest lineups of games ever available with a major new console release,” Loftis said. “Not only are there several new Xbox exclusives such as Forza Motorsport 7, Cuphead, Super Lucky’s Tale, and the console launch exclusive PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds, there is an incredible list of titles coming this holiday including Middle-earth: Shadow of War, Assassin’s Creed Origins, Call of Duty: WWII, Star Wars Battlefront II, Destiny 2, and more — with many of these titles enhanced to play better on Xbox One X. With so many great exclusives and new games to play, Crackdown 3 would have shipped into an incredibly crowded market." Holy crap, look at what he said again, "The Xbox One X launch lineup will be one of the greatest lineups of games ever available with a major new console release,” Loftis said." They are spinning so much I'm dizzy.
Spin What? Pre ordering xb1x day 1!
Push it to next year so next E3 Phil can say something about how they've been delivering great variety in games since the start of the year.
They delayed it so they can attach a Halo 6 beta invite to the game. Only way the game can generate decent sales. LOL All jokes aside, the delay was well needed, but I still highly doubt it will better the Xbox One's overall appeal. Right now, the Q4 lineup for new games is looking even more barebones for the console. The fact that they delayed the game when Phil Spencer preaches about not trying to announce games too early just tells that we were all correct, the game does look like trash. Yet, the Xbox fanboys didn't want to acknowledge it and here we are, the game comes out Q2 of next year now. It's good because like we say, delays just means a better game, but if you're going to yell out, "DelayStation 4 huhuhuhu" when the PS4 has also provided more first party IPs throughout the years, you don't know what you're talking about. Look at your owners over there at the Xbox division before you speak. Oh yea, Patcher is correct, it won't make a difference due to this quote which I can agree on, “I don’t think Xbox One X sales are going to be very high in the first place because of price, and don’t think a six to eight month delay for Crackdown makes any material difference." A lot of people here didn't even read the article and straight up jumped towards, "finally Patcher is making sense, the Xbox One X will do fine," but failed to read that he meant to say, it won't make any difference, the sales won't be high anyway. Most likely knows only very dedicated Xbox fanboys will buy the console and they've been ok playing the waiting game for so long that this delay means nothing to them.
look at it this way... nexr years xbo line up will be much much much better compared to the last couple of years (although it still looks pretty pale next to Nintendo n Sony's exclusive line up) while it might prove to be difficult to improve crackdown 3 much with just a few additional months, they should try what they can. the game looks like it could be fun, hope it gets a good chance to do well.
Most of their games ended up either on PC or Steam basically no incentive to buy Xbox whatsoever. The only game I interested in was Cuphead and my dad's laptop can run it.
I agree. Crackdown 3 was of little importance really. It's never been a big franchise and was never going to sell particularly well.
It was gonna launch on the same day or im i wrong? trying to downplay another huge blunder from Microsoft. Well they got Forza....
I didn't even see Crackdown 3 being a system seller in the first place. This franchise was never that huge. Not to mention that not even Gears of War 4 managed to dramatically increase Xbox One sales
Crackdown 3 isn't a system seller. It's always been a niche game.
Holly crap! I agree with Pachter. Don't recall this ever happening. But I still think he know nothing about gaming and what gamers are likely to buy. Gamers are a complex group of people who like different things. Some one in finance that is not and has not been a gamer, can not accurately predict what people in that culture will do. So he really needs to stick to numbers.
Truth is nobody would buy an XOX because of this particular game
That’s funny because I was impulsively going to buy one, but I changed my mind after the crackdown delay.
lol Pachter is right. Nobody cares. Xbox One X launch is about Assassins Creed Origins and SW Battlefront 2
@TheColbertinator “Xbox One X launch is about Assassins Creed Origins and SW Battlefront 2” You telling me people are going to spend $500 on a Xbox One X just to play two 3rd party games? That’s crazy considering they can get them on PS4 Pro for $399 possibly $350 this holiday. PS4 has the largest userbase, best lineup, and real exclusives all for $100 to $150 cheaper. I think I know what console most people will be choosing.
The Switch obviously.
But it won't be the best place to play the games that appeal to the most people.
“But it won't be the best place to play the games that appeal to the most people.” Paying $500 just to play slightly better looking 3rd party games seems a bit crazy considering you can buy a PS4 Pro and still play the same 3rd party games plus a slew of great exclusives and many more to come for $100 to $150 cheaper.
'The switch obviously'. Those games you mentioned won't even be on switch lol.
Xbox X is gonna fail so hard it will be glorious to see comments here and Gaf.
wow how great ur championing the failure of something just because u have no interest in it....this is the same disgusting mentality that makes gaming as a hobby become so fragile , discouraging devs to to take risk with innovations and try something new because of fear the vocal pessimism of those who the product is not for to route for failure at every chance they get...the defamation spreads and create doubt and hatred for something so simple as an entertainment avenue of choice like the only right choice is what they say it is......( this is why we get the same games reskinned over n over, or the copy and paste mentality of the same formula just to play it safe) well done good sir....well done
I haven't commented on here in quite some time but I did see that this game got delayed. I also watched those videos that were posted of Crackdown 3 and it seemed a little underwhelming. So I guess as maybe some people have already stated, it's probably for the best it got delayed but still not a good sign. On topic though. I was on the fence about buying the X1/X but seeing that Crackdown got delayed and myself not really being into racing games that much anymore, I won't be picking up their new console when it launches and will just wait till there is a more diverse and solid line-up. When that will happen who knows?
I'm not buying an X1X for "November 7th" ..I'll still be enjoying my X1X when CD3 launches.
if it ever does at this point
Hardcore Xbox One gamers will buy the X no matter, no exlcusive game or reason to do so but just to play existing and new games for a better experience.
I'm an xbox guy myself and this lineup is abysmal. I suggest microsoft invest in new ips and studios or Im out. There is no reason for this billion dollar company to not have top tier exclusives (on PC or not). Luckily I have a ps4 for backup.
Let's be real here guys. Crackdown 3 being delayed is a good thing for a multitude of reasons. That game looked unappealing, broken, and not finish. So hopefully the 9 or more months of development will make the game look a lot better. Still think CD3 is going to be a meh game. But we will see.
People talked about how horrible Crackdown 3 looked and said it was going to be awful, it gets delayed and they say the Xbox One X will sell less units because of that But if it really looked terrible it's true that it won't impact the sales Fanboys just wanna hit MS with whatever they can, even if it doesn't really make sense
So this game goes from having last gen graphics, it won't sell well and isn't a great game according to some to now being an important game only because of the delay yet most other games that get delayed don't get the same reaction as this one
You know how it goes Scalebound was trash when it was coming out and now it would have been the greatest game ever since it's been canceled.
For me, I am tired of MS's PR and sugarcoating.. CD3 can be a solid and fun game, but instead assuring the game works beforehand, it must be hyped to "a game can redefine gaming", "showcase the cloud, which can make your console 10 times powerful" and used by MS and fans as a tool to brag about..Now the game turned out like this, suddenly it is the least important game for everyone,, seriously? Just how many articles about the greatest cd3 last few years on N4G only. It can be true that no everyone brought into the hype of cd3, but this 180 is amazing, and next year by any chance MS start to hype this game again, you will see people jump out and sing who care about spiderman when we have O-mighy cd3... /s
I will be very suprised if this console sells more than a million units outside of the States.
Nobody cares about the x anyway. PS4 is in the distance now. By the time that dies down PS5 will be a completely new system with a new CPU/GPU. Microsoft should have waited.
I am buying 2 of them, so they have my vote
Only reason I might by one is to get a playable fps in games like fortnite and ark that run like absolute shit on the original Xbox one especially ark it's like 20 fps with constant dips it's absolutely horrendous so for me crackdown 3 doesn't matter tbh I didn't even know it was coming out this year until it was delayed.
From the appearance of the thumbnail I thought this was a Telltale game. Then I read the title and saw that it was just Crackdown 3.
When not even Gears of War 4 dramatically increased Xbox One sales, nobody with a functioning mind should've thought that Crackdown 3 would've done a better job
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