Ever since Sony and Microsoft announced their Mid-Gen upgrades, the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, competition has been at an all time high
Someone that buys the X isnt to play on a 1080p TV, because its a «true» 4k console. Built for 4k. If you want to play 1080p games just get the S and buy a ton of games for the price of the X
You're kind of wrong. Xbox One X will be the superior version compared to Xbox One S. Here's some of the features for 1080p TV owners on Xbox One X 1. Faster load times. The One X HDD is 50% faster than the One S. And the extra 4GB of RAM with the much higher bandwidth, can speed up the loading of assets etc) 2. Hardware inside the One X provides Anisotropic Filtering (AF) to existing games (makes textures a little clearer). Albert Penello mentions this in an interview with The Know 3. Existing XB1 games which have dynamic resolution and / or dynamic frame rate will look best and perform best on a One X (edit: i.e. resolution should stay at its maximum and / or frame rate should stay consistent and smooth) 4. Super sampling is enabled by default on games which target 4k. This means that a 4k game playing on a 1080p TV, will have a better image quality than a native 1080p game on the same TV. 5. Further visual benefits would include higher quality textures which can be seen further into the distance, longer draw distances for the geometry, and extra effects. This is dependent on what the developer does with their game
Again someone with 499 to buy the X also got the Money to buy a 4k tv or already have a 4k TV. This console isnt for the average gamer that got a 1080p TV and doesnt intend to buy this year or next year. The casual dont care about noting that you talked about. Its stuff for the hardcore gamer. They just want to power the console and start playing. They will always go for the cheaper deal and not for the most expensive.
@Corroios. i could afford the Xbox One X. i cant afford the 4k TV. Why? a good 4k TV is over $2,000 in canada. Blanket statements like that never work
"Anyone that has £500 to spend has £1500 to spend". Obviously.
@corroios your wrong. I'm looking at the xbox one x but don't have a 4k tv and wont be getting one for at least 6 months after I get a one. I'm happy with my sony 50" HD tv and at the moment don't have a spare 1k to get one. I'm also having a little one in October so my cash has to go towards him so not everyone getting an xbox x will be getting or have a 4K tv.
I still think it's a bit of a waste not pairing it with a 4k TV, but lots of people pair the Pro with a HD TV anyway. Good 4k TVs are still over $2000 in Australia and it's not worth cheeping out on the TV. I honestly thought down-sampling would be a give in with XoneX, I'd be more shocked if it wasn't included.
@Corroios; Just because I have the money to buy a 4K TV, doesn't mean I want to.spend that moneynon a 4K TV. I have a perfectly fine 1080p Plasma, which still offers tremendous video quality. I AM interested in buying the XBO X though. Not because of it's 4K output, but more because it will be the most powerful console available and thus interesting for multiplatform releases.
corroios----- you don't know one thing about hardware you are embarrassing your self
@corroios 'Again someone with 499 to buy the X also got the Money to buy a 4k tv or already have a 4k TV. ' How about someone already with a 1080p TV but on a budget and has enough only for an Xbox One X? Lesson here is to not make stupid statements and to think. You've just been nominated for the 'Most Deluded Comment on N4G - August 2017' award.
I bought a PS4-Pro but don't have a 4K TV yet. I did it because it was only $100 more than the base model, more games would play in 1080p, and more stable framerate. I'd be glad if they added more Pro supersampling for 1080p sets.
I agree with all of that.
Some Xbox one games look butt-ugly on a 1080p screen, with poor AA and often sub-1080 resolution. One X with supersampling would be a big improvement in those circumstances. Obviously a 4k TV would be better, and a 4K TV with a well-specced PC would be better still. We can't always have everything though, right?
Projector and home cinema is the only route for me, and as such, 4K is waay out of league.
that's like saying that the Pro is only for 4K TV owners too then.
Except the Xbox One X will use supersampling on all games plus other improvements. http://www.gamepur.com/feat...
@moldybread So where is your source, and the source for this article that says EVERY game gets supersampling? Because that would imply that every game in the xbox one library is getting patched to 4k resolution in order to be downsampled, and we know that isn't true. The article you posted says "'We have supersampling by default so GAMES THAT ARE RENDERED IN 4K get super sampled down to 1080p," Penello said in the same interview with Gamasutra. "And if you haven't seen, there's some great YouTube videos on supersampling. A 4K super sampled image at 1080p looks better than a native 1080p image." So is it every game, or just the games that run in 4k?
Lol..which is why its great that it downsamples. Not everyone has a 4K TV or money to upgrade. Still graphically on 1080p should look fantastic.
I agree with corroios. Youre gunna need a 4k tv to play the X on or you are essentially wasting money. Just keep your S, most of the framerates are unchanged so you wont be noticing much of a change.
Yet having even less graphical difference between Ps4 and Xbox one versions of games was enough to lambast and shit talk on xbox one's power to no end during the first 2 years + of this gen? How about this? Let people do whatever the hell they want to do! Let people spend their money however they want! Don't try to preach value to people who've already decided how they want to spend it! For example, I personally don't have much interest in VR, but do I have the right to go around telling people that they're wasting money if they want to play games using VR? (Let me answer my own question rhetorically.... technically I do have the right just say whatever I want, I'll just look like a retard if I do so blatantly with no logic applied to my own arguments.)
Its just about making sensible decisions. If u cant afford a 4k tv then u probably cant afford an X. I have a 4k tv and an S an I still enjoy native 4k streaming and when I get the X i'll enjoy native 4k gaming.
@eddie 1st where can you buy a good 4K tv for 500$? 2nd you can't So does that mean an Xbox one x is closer to 2k$? People have financial obligations in life and some people can only afford either a console or a tv. Buying the Xbox one x before. 4K tv is simply "future proofing" your consoles of choice for a few years, maybe enough time to pick up a 4K tv
Having a tv that supports HDR would be more important than just simply having a 4k tv. not every 4k tv supports HDR but 4k is required to support HDR. I do believe Sony has a line of 1080p only sets that support HDR as well but it just makes better sense that if you get a tv with HDR it also supports 4k.
What 4K tv doesn't have HDR these days (are we looking at Big W or Aldi TVs?)? I didn't think they'd ever make HDR for 1080p sets though, most manufactures are trying to push people into buying 4k tvs, so I would think it'd make less sense to include HDR on HD TVs. Most content doesn't have HDR unless you have a 4k Blu-ray player or console that supports it (I don't know where streaming fits into this, but I assume it doesn't have HDR yet).
It would be more important for the Xbox One X if all games could run at 60fps instead of running at 4k. It's better playing a game at 60fps/1080p instead of 4k with unstable 30fps. Xbox One X needed a better CPU.
I don't have a 4K tv but will get one later. Still getting the X1X day 1
Xbox one x is not a true 4k console hahahahaha
Lol i will be playing the xbox one x on a 1080p monitor so this is irrelevant i rather have the better xbox regardless of me not having a 4k screen
Right over his head
The Crapbox One X is certainly NOT a true 4k console, not even close. Most of the upcoming AAA games are 30fps, which is shite. Stop posting BS, you're as bad as Microsoft.
like forza 7 you mean? 4k native 60fps. Your statement is redundant and repetitive
In addition to what Sonic Vs Mario said all backwards compatible games get a visual and performance boost on the X. So effectively all of the free xbox 360 games are slightly remastered versions. Having said this I do also agree with you that buying an Xbox X without a 4k tv seems a bit strange. Personally If I were in this position I would put the money towards a 4k TV.It would be interesting to compare Xbox X games downsampled on a 1080p tv vs Xbox S game upscaled to 4k on a 4k HDR tv. Personally I think HDR and upscaling would look better than 1080p downsampled. It would be an interesting comparison.
Agreed, that's where I think people would determine if it's really worth it to upgrade if they don't have the 4k tv
XBox one S can't do all games at 1080p. Every game is 1080 downsampled on the X. Not to mention probable faster load times, etc... and games like Gears 4 are getting lighting and graphical improvements as well.
it will use supersampling to take a 4k image down to a 1080p screen not to mention all the additional bells and whistles that come with the enhanced games. As for your comment down below.....$500 is not a lot of money but pair that on top of a tv purchase than yes it can be unbearable for those who don't have 4k HDR tvs yet or for those with $500 and not $1200
I'm going to be buying the X1X (and a 4k tv w/HDR soonish) but I will be running the X1X through a splitter so I can feed the video to my 1080p projector AND my 4k tv in the adjacent room. Soooo I appreciated improved 1080p visuals.
cool, will it suppport crackdown 2?
Erm i disagree, I am buying the xbox one x day one and i dont own a 4k tv. Perhaps you need to look into what the console is doing for existing games and not just 4k titles stable frame rates and visual enhancements on games will be welcome for me
What if you have a standard definition television from 20 years ago and no Internet? Would that mean someone should stick with 16 bit and not upgrade to 32 bit?
Why the question mark in the headline
Those are exclamation marks!
They are now, but it was a question mark when I made the comment
Corroborated! It bugged me too when I read it. Having said that... why no question mark on your question? :p
If a system is running at any resolution over 1080p super/down sampling should be a standard OS feature/option. It doesn’t require additional resources, just some driver improvements.
I want an xbox one x, but i don't want 4k. I want 60fps. If it doesn't do that, I'm not going to buy. Because...... What is the point?
Console manufacturers are prioritising resolution over frame rate, why, partly parity, but largely because it’s more important to hit the industry buzz words (4K, UHD, graphicszzzz) and the average man in the street doesn’t ‘know’ about or appreciate higher frame rate. If you want control over what your hardware prioritises, get a PC and choose for yourself.
Sadly true, which is why I've taken a step back from consoles while this industry phase works itself out. Someday, console processing power may rise to the level needed to handle all those pixels with ease at 60 fps or beyond. Right now, the sacrifices in what really matters to me are too great to accept. I'll see what the true next gen brings, whenever and if ever that happens. I'll be happily gaming on PC in the meantime.
No thanks. The PC industry is even worse. Bloated hardware, bloated prices, no decent games. Steam is no better than a phone app store.
You won't be buying an Xbox One X then.
If the devs do on X1X what they are doing on PS4 Pro, then don't worry you'll likely have a high frame rate mode, which targets 60FPS....at 1080p.
"That may not seem like much of a difference now, but the 24 titles that don’t downsample include fan-favorites such as The Last of Us, so this could be a potential deal breaker for many players." How is that a deal breaker? TLOU still looks better than most games releasing this gen. The potential deal breaker would be buying a 4k console "the most powerful console" just to get one or two exclusive games every 10 months.
There was zero excuse not to supersample The Last of Us. It would have made most of the jaggies and shimmering disappear. Sony wanted to sell more 4k TVs. If you are sitting like 8+ feet away from a TV with supersampling on you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 4k TV and 1080p one. I tested it with my own eyes before I got a 4k TV on PC games and rise of the tomb raider on ps4 pro. Up close you totally can, but as you move away it gets harder to tell.
No. That is absolutely not a good thing. It means every XOX game will be saddled with at least 4 times the graphics processing it needs, if your display is 1080p or less. Sure, supersampling can be used to clean up each static frame. But that kind of heavy workload should be up to the user to choose. I would prefer the power to go to better frame rate, better draw distance, more things onscreen at once, and so forth.
I see the point your making but I guess that's what the PC is for right. On consoles, devs decide how they want their game to be played and I am personally OK with that as believe it or not, some games really don't require 60fps to be considered good or playable. I have noticed a lot of misinformation out there regarding framerate and it is complete BS, if you're not on PC then you have no leg to stand on when complaining about a game not being 60fps, console gamers should only be concerned with STABLE/LOCKED framerate rates whether that be 30fps or 60fps. It is just like a movie, a song, a book, the director, producer, author dictates how best their utilisation of that entertainment medium should be consumed and we as the consumer beleive it or not actually have a choice on how we wish to watch, listen, read their creation BUT... the only place we can consume their creation in the way WE want (editing, remixing, improving etc.) is on a PC/Mac.
I read the title wrong, i thought. "Every Xbox One X Game Will Be In True 4K , And Here's Why Its A Good Thing!!
Sweet zombie Jesus there's a lot of dumbasses here. Admit it this system is a train wreck waiting to happen. Yes I'm excited for a true 4k system and I'm a retro gamer and can give to effs about graphics but I love a beautiful image. 4k just isn't there yet, I see people up here saying it isnt for the average gamer, the hell. I still have friends that live and breathe there plasma TV so why buy X1X for 1080p makes no sense when most gamers have a PS4 or even cheaper to get the xb1s. This system was to be released a year and a half from now makes way more sense, good 4k units are just to pricy at the moment because who the hell is gonna buy a generic "element" Walmart type brand 4k tv for gaming, absolutely no one. It's not that the system is a waste it's the underlying problem you fanboys can't admit and it's needing a 4k unit to actually get what your paying for, easily looking at shelling out $1200k+ for a good setup
Forget it, they dont understand that. They want to buy the X for 500 to play in their 1080p TV. The lack of inteligence is out of this world. The X is a 4k machine to play at 1080 just buy the s or the PS4. or wait to get a 4k tv More, there are already good 4k tv under 1000.
What would we do if you two geniuses weren't here to help us? Condescending trolls, you gotta love 'em
Battlefront ran at 720p on xbox.... Other games run at under 30 FPS at 900p on both.. This gen was underpowered for current games at the jump. Xbox One X will be a huge upgrade for current Xbox owners. I like my PS4 Pro and already it has a much better steady frame rate and resolution over PS4 in Lawbreakers for example.
I have 60 4k tv that's why I want an X take your hate shiz sone where else cheap ass gamer
"Sweet zombie Jesus there's a lot of dumbasses here." Yes and their troll names are link2Dpast and corroios. You just said your friends live an breathe plasma TV. Are you friends interested in the XBOX? If not I don't see what your friends having a plasma have anything to do with what some here are doing. I know people who still have TV's with tubes. So? I mean come on your point makes no sense. People already explained their possible reason for getting the X and not getting a 4K right away. Not all are money and if so what reason is that of yours? There are a lot of advantages over the current consoles that the X brings to a HD TV. Who is the dumbass that can't understand that? I currently have a new 4K in my great room and plan to put an X there next to my Pro. However, I would not be adverse to putting second X in the study (replacing the Xbox One there) and using in on 1080 TV currently there. I have no plans on updating that TV to 4K at the moment. (I have plenty of money just no hurry to do it). But, I just see no reason not to have the best possible experience on a 1080 because I can with the X. Please, just because you can't understand various viewpoints doesn't make people idiots but, sure makes you one for not realizing the world doesn't revolve around your sorry ass. With your logic all those PC master racer members must be the biggest of all idiots. Those with an NVidia 1080 (even a 1070) playing at HD are dumbasses as well, right? I mean talk about stupid, spend $700 on a card just play it on a 27" monitor at 1080. Am I right, or am I right? /s
you if you guys need a good 4k tv with low input lag i would buy TCL P607/ 605 $650 and it’s 55 inch with dolby vision and hdr10.
it just an excuse. Gamers that dont understand what they are buying. Its funny all the trolling i got for saying the truth and how stupid they look. «I want to play on the most powerfull system», «you dont understand nothing about hardware», «what a stupid comment», but They will get the X to play on 1080p TV. Damn, so smart. Its like buying a Ferrari and just using first gear and second gear... Amazing stufff. Brilliant.
bro what are ya talking about? you lost me.
just make some games.
Another day another "this is why xbox is better than Playstation" opinion piece here at N4G. Business as usual
Yeah good luck!
people saying they don't have a 4k Tv try and buy a new rv now that isn't 4k and you will struggle only make sense that they release a 4k console now it is a great start for Ms to make amends for this gen mistakes
PS4 Pro does this and it looks like a perfect image, no aliasing and very smooth. Titanfall and Fallout4 are great examples of this but I've noticed it in most all games. From what I understand the dev's hit their target res to upscale to 4K (Wipeout runs native 4K) and if the display isn't there, they just render at high res, then downsample to standard HD 1080p. A number of devs even give us in game options to run at 1080p with better fps and/or effects or supersampled to 1080p for a cleaner image. This isn't revolutionary, it was expected and I think Phil Spencer mentioned as much at the E3 conference. I have a really nice 65" Active 3D Sony panel and not upgrading anytime soon. We all know these current consoles Pro/X1X can't really handle open world 4K at 60FPS. Closed track Forza in 4K 60, sure and likely a few others down the road but most games on both consoles will be 1800p'ish upscaled or down sampled for this gen. PS5, MIGHT have the hardware capable of 4K 60 open world but will depend on hardware costs at the time. I think devs are really starting to use the PS4 Pro features more and whatever power the X1S has at launch will be on par with PS4 Pro for the next year or so. It's like Ultra Power vs. High Power + dev exp. Over the next year with all the wild looking PS4 exclusives coming out and far into the PS4 cycle, we're going to see some really impressive titles taking full advantage of both PS4 and PS4 Pro. By the time dev's start finessing the X1X to take the visual edge it's capable of, the PS5 will be announced. Until then Supersampling will do. Now when and where can I preorder the X1X already?
Should be good for the 100 ppl that buy the x.