Cliff Bleszinski, explaining the low player count, said that LawBreakers might have been inadvertently harmed by his own polarising personality.
Not just that, they really needed to push the aerial mechanics more. I've talked to people that just think it's another Overwatch clone.
I think the creative aspect is much more to blame than the actual gameplay mechanics. The game just looks so dull and uninspired. Every character looks like "run-off-the-mill sci-fi videogame dude/girl" and are devoid of any real personality. All the colors are desaturated. There's no originality. It just doesn't catch people's attention at all. Also I think Cliff B. really over exaggerates his controversiality. What is he even referring to? He hasn't said anything remotely controversial in years. Not only that, but most people don't even actually know who he is. He should stop pretending he's a superstar
I agree here. There's nothing in the game that really stands out to me. I haven't played the game so maybe it's really a fantastic game, but from watching it there's nothing that hooks me or gives me any desire to play. All the characters I've seen seem bland and the overall style seems uninspired.
uhmmm i agree with what you aid but people not knowing who he is?? thats a stretch. everyone knows who he is, one of the richest developers in the world and highly talented. unreal and gears of war just to name a few
@bolimekurac Only people who are heavily invested in online videogame forums/news sites know who he is. But 99% of people who buy games don't know about him. Most people don't even know who Shigeru Miyamoto and John Carmack are. Regular everyday gamers don't really follow game news and don't know these things
I was surprised. It's like they went into such great detail in a micro level but on a macro level it appears as another generic sci-fi shooter. Overwatch has a VERY distinct look.
http://n4g.com/news/2076091... That's what i have been trying to say, even if the gameplay is skillful and fun. Overwatch already have some of that but what makes it feel better and overlook the issues in the gameplay is the design of the game. It's as important as the gameplay if you really want the people move on from overwatch. They had the chance yet they didn't see it. Now i feel like it will have the same fate as titanfall , great game, will sell enough but it's not the next big thing..
I'm sorry tons of people in the gaming space know who Cliffy b is stating otherwise is just ridiculous
I agree as I know a lot of overwatch players who have said the same thing. They thought about it, but didn't see what would be an overall improvement.
Not as bad as Phil Fish though
Dev who runs his mouth and hasn't made a good game in ages. Goes into the trend of F2P while bashing others. Turns around makes a mediocre game advertised as a revolution, and it flops. "I can be a bit of a silly goose. That's why my game is in a pickle." - CliffyBoo
"But what I do and bring to the table brings a certain amount of weight." The guy made one big hit and continues the dudebro characters and lifeless games.
Yeah cliffy talked too much smack to the same people he is trying to sell to. Definitely not a smart move.
yup , insulting console gamers its not gonna get you anywhere Cliffy b.
The game is average and has low numbers because we've got enough of these type of games on the market. It's the reason why the hype for this game was hard to generate because we were all sinking our teeth into other games similar...if not better aswell. His personality obviously didn't hurt Gears of War so I don't see his point. Maybe he should step away from shooters after this, I hope he does an RPG, Survival Horror or Platforming game next...do something we haven't got enough of.
You clearly have not been following the game or played it. Lawbreakers is an arena shooter, a dead genre, in both popularity and releases. The problem the game has is marketing, they made it look generic and alot like Overwatch, which has led to yours and many other ignorant people's idea of what the game is.
Don't be an ass and call people ignorant because they don't share your opinions I've seen plenty and it's still got those same vibes as it...the problem is Overwatch is huge and if people are going to sink their teeth into something it's going to be that or something else like Counter Strike. Lawbreakers is too little too late
"Don't be an ass" Pot calling the kettle black.
"Lawbreakers is an arena shooter, a dead genre, in both popularity and releases." - What are you even trying to spin here?
It's not that you don't share my opinion, it's that you make inaccurate statements about a game you know nothing about. It is a fact Lawbreakers is an arena shooter nothing like Overwatch, not an opinion. You are wrong, it has nothing to do with your opinion. The games issue is not Cliffy B, it is the whole marketing campaign that made the game look generic which made you and many others ignorantly reach the conclusion it is another Overwatch clone. You are ignorant and it is for this reason. That's great you watched a video and got some vibes though good for you, that don't mean you should go around talking about a game on a critical level when you have not played it.
I played free on that 3 day thing on the p4, it feels like b rated overwatch
His personality didn't really start to show until after GeOW had become a success. By that time, he had the fan boy defense squads to downplay his abrasive personality, which ended up becoming worse over time. Not that he was often wrong in what he said, but he was terrible at expressing such things, and often condescending towards those who may have had different opinions. Before GeOW became a success, I don't ever recall him getting much press, but that was a different time as well where the internet didn't blow everything out of proportion like it did near the beginning of last gen.
I think players will come around... eventually..
As it stands right now, the game is on a slow decrease from launch Numbers: http://steamcharts.com/app/... Only a discount would help the game at this point. This is what he needed: http://steamcharts.com/app/...
I hope they do. I'm enjoying the game so far.
the game needs improvements, feels average
Lol! No. I can respect taking one for the team tho.
The game is just a clone of what's already flooding the market. Why play a new one when there are older yet better ones already out there.
Clone of what?
Could you tell us what this game is a CLONE of? I havent played anything like it recently. Have you even played the game?
what other game is this a clone of?
Oh the this game is a clone excuse from someone who probably hasn't even touched it. Since you've played it please tell us what game it's a clone of and I'll even help you by telling you to not say overwatch because it plays nothing like it.
Honestly considering the woeful lack of marketing or promotionals, I'd say Cliffy B's name is probably carrying it. I don't like the guy as a person but I can't deny he makes great shooter games.
CliffyB has always had this douchy personality to me, it just took him working on a non xbox 1st party before the xbox crowd seen it too.
What does this even mean? He hasn't even released it for the Xbox platform in any capacity. His game is being kicked to the curb by PC and PS players, not Xbox which was probably the platform he might have had the best success with...
I think he means that since cliffyB ignored the Xbox, and was even rather rude to some in the Xbox fan base about it, that he wasn't the golden child like he was on the Xbox 360 when GeOW was peaking. He had a lot of people defending his abrasive personality before he left Epic, and now, since there is no reason to defend him, there is really no real reason why his personality can be ignored through spin to support console war arguments. I don't know what the XBox fan base in general thinks about him anymore, but there is certainly a marked difference in the way the criticism of his comments plays out compared to last gen. I doubt PC players have cared about his work for over a decade now, and before GeOW, the internet was a different thing where his contributions were not as well known, so he never really had their love to begin with. He choose to release on two systems where those most familiar with his work through experiencing that work were not as present, while putting down those on a system where he had that advantage, thus alienating a fan base for business purposes. While I can understand his business point of view, he shouldn't have been himself to his more loyal fan base. And since he was, a lot of the good will he had with them is now gone, and the criticisms of him go unchallenged more.
He has never made an Xbox first party game... Microsoft bought gears 2 years ago. It was a third party game.
For me the game wasn't fun, but neither is over watch.
Overwatch was a weird one for me -- I didn't get the hype at first but I got sucked in about 8 hours in (over the course of about 2-3 months). I've never gotten such a delayed reaction to a game before. I'd definitely recommend giving it another shot if you're like I was!
I feel that the game has always looked distinctly average and that the market is flooded with this kind of title. In respect of CliffyB's personality, i think it's fair to say he is his own worst enemy, he talked a lot of shit about Playstation and Playstation gamers as well as talking shit about other devs over the years and as a result, he is remembered by many for being an abrasive loudmouth rather than for his games.
Cliffy you've actually been keeping your big trap shut for once, what are you talking about lol it has nothing to do with that
Cliff B, its not your personality is your evil intention to stick it to MS and their fans Dumbass. We all know if you're gonna to sell a FPS there is a core fps fanbase that shouldn't be ignored. This is regardless if they are being outsold 2:1 by the competition. 60 million user doesn't equate to 60 millions buyers or 10 million. Look at their top selling exclusive for this year. Cliff WTF were you thinking leaving XBox Brand out of the launch. You reap what you sow. About that X1X enhanced version though.
So the game isn't doing well on PC and PS4 because MS fanboys are upset? Lol, okay.
i think Cliff B had no intention of bringing it to consoles but the numbers where eating him up inside, so he just went with the biggest and best install base xbox fans are always asking for games but for some reason nobody wants to make games for them not even phil and its his job to make games for them
So what you're saying is Lawbreakers so far has performed not even mediocre on the "biggest & best install base"? So the conclusion would come to PS4 is not the "best" for Lawbreakers. A statement that can be backed by actual statistics.
Sorry dude Polarising not the word I would have used . Still you are catching on .
Well it has received pretty good reviews. PC gamer gave it an 84% http://www.pcgamer.com/lawb... Steam I see 9/10. I'm still undecided on buying it yet :D
He talked alot of smack about PC gaming back in the 360 Days, PC gamers wont forget that. They even bash companys for mistakes back in the 80s. He recently talked smack about Xbox and probably will wonder why noone buys his game when he finally ports it. Its a business, you have to be "nice" or you will lose customers. Its just sad, because Lawbreakers isnt a bad game at all.
We have long memories on PC. We do not forget or forgive :) This is part of what he said about PC in 2008. "I think the PC is just in disarray... What's driving the PC right now is Sims-type games and WOW and a lot of stuff that's in a web-based interface. You just click on it and play it. That's the direction PC is evolving into." And then he expects us to buy his game 9 years later when there is much better games than his that's been out for the last few years. Just like Microsoft he's too late to the PC party and expects to rule the roost.
In his defense, that's what it looked like the PC market was heading. The super long hardware cycle of last gen lead to many games either being ported over to PC, or being developed on PC then porting them over to consoles. When those consoles launched, they were slightly ahead of what most PCs could do. But over time, that changed. Console level graphics was available even in laptops. Since PC was becoming the lead platform developers were creating games on, it didn't make sense to waste that work and not release on PC as well. The flip side of this was there were no more games being developed specifically targeting the high-end PCs like Crysis. All games were being developed with the constraints so they could easily move them to consoles. In a way, PC gaming still hasn't recovered from this "Consol First" shift that happened towards the middle of last gen. Sure, PC graphics potential far exceeds what the any console can dream of, but no develeper is going to target or make again that cannot easily be ported to consoles[weak as they are this gen]. So a lot of this extra power is being wasted. This is why you saw a lot of developers saying that the PS4 and X1 are holding back gaming because they are so weak. They cannot create a game that really shows their vision, because they are hamstrung by under-powered consoles. If they just targeted PCs, they would alienate a HUGE portion of the gaming community. Their hands are tied financially. I don't think we will be seeing any leap in gaming concepts until next gen, when CPUs are more up to the task of dealing with more complex AI. CPU wise, this gen is more of a lateral step from last gen. We are just getting prettier versions of last gen games and concepts.
Yeah, but he wasn't wrong back in 2008. That was actually the trend, and the way things were looking at going with all the browser based crap which got so much focus. I know that Cliffy is more a PC fan boy than a Xbox one, and would actually prefer to focus only on PC if he could. But business has to do business, and at the time, the potential customer base for the kinds of games he was making was much more prevalent on console, and at the time, console required much less long term support compared to PC which required quite an extensive update and support plan which could last longer than 2-3 years in some cases as technology was moving so fast. Steam wasn't quite what it is today, although had become entrenched, and PC game sales numbers were on the decline for more service type games which relied on advertising to generate income over initial software sales. Since then PC gaming has shifted to be able to support both though, so while the trend changed, it's what everyone was thinking was going to be the case back then. If PC users are upset because he stated what everyone else was stating about the trend of PC gaming, then their memories are clouded by bias where they decide to hold a grudge against him for things that were likely outside his control. I highly doubt CliffyB had any input on if his game, made by Epic, and published by MS back then, would go to a particular system or not. To me, that seems more like an explanation on why things were going the way they were going. It's one of those situations where you may not like what he has to say, but that doesn't make him wrong. I feel there are better examples that could be used to show how he can be douchey. Off the top of my head, acting like those that wouldn't shift to digital only were behind the times and need to get with the program as he overstated the speed with which digital would "take over". It's that kind of condescension which tends to put people off of him more, or at least it should, over just being mad he stated a commonly accepted thing within the industry for the time.
I think he's right, I haven't seen anyone with a good word to say about him for ages. Seems like people want him to fail and he's brought it on himself. Not that it's the only factor of course if the game was excellent it'd be irrelevant.
I think it stems from the fact that most of his marketing for this game was to the hardcore community, and while there are a significant number of hardcore players out there, they're very segmented across multiple platforms. On top of that, when you go a decade where almost every one of your comments is in some way controversial, or at least the media makes it up to be controversial, you end up being a pariah within the community itself. CliffyB is a smart guy, and does pay attention, but his lack of tact, or caring what people said about him because he had the weight of Epic behind him didn't do him any favors for his own personal endevours. He made himself a person a lot of people loved to hate, and while he was often right in many things he commented on, he just had a way of putting people off, which leads to controversy. Even now, you see people saying to this particular comment about himself, "Well, yeah, we've been saying that for years". Maybe not so much with the PR spin attached, but certainly they were very critical of him. Name recognition doesn't mean much if that name is infamous. That being said, since he didn't market much outside the hardcore, those that would have little knowledge of his personality weren't exposed to the game, which in the end, means less sales because those people wouldn't be as affected by the things he had to say.
this guy talks way too much for mediocre games he's apart of. On to make excuses now for why it'll flop harder than Titanfall 2
Between Paladins, Battleborn, Gigantic, Lawbreakers, Overwatch, I am confused what is what.
Well lawbreakers is the game that took the " Dead on Arrival" at launch crown from Battleborn. Which flopped hard but not this hard.
To even act like this is a bigger flop than a huge triple aaa game from a triple aaa studio published by a triple aaa publisher is ridiculous and is most likely your hate for cliffy b talking.
They should've made no different characters...and let us make our own instead that would've been much better and saved them a lot of time.
Was anyone even talking about his personality around this game? Past him driving a around in a sports car talking up game development like being a rockstar I mean - though, that probably is reason enough...
I've never been the biggest fan of Cliff's, but this is bullshit. The man makes good games, and Lawbreakers is seriously a FUN shooter that got no promotion whatsoever. It doesn't help that Hellblade released on the same day to remarkable reviews, and PlayStation promoted that all the way up to release. Shame on them for not giving Lawbreakers more attention, even now on the storefront. They could have at least made it interesting for the console space, especially being that it's only on PS4 for the time being. Cliff has nothing to be ashamed of.
Sorry Cliffyb but being free to play means I will not even bother trying the game. The only f2p game I tolerate is Dota 2, because it is not p2w
It isn't F2P.
Lol it isn't f2p and hasn't been for a long time try to keep up if you're going to hate
The game was supposed to be F2P... I’ll pass.
I've got a buddy who swears by this game on PS4. Says it's fun and very rewarding.
i like it i play about 4 matches a day
should've kept it free to play and would be a lot more people playing it .
This is a hero shooter with ugly females. What a horrible design decision.
lol, you seem hella basic.
I used to think that until I heard his interviews on the Joe rogan experience and yes in short form interviews he comes off as arrogant and rude however long form like jre he is entirely reasonable and a decent guy on that podcast