According to the developer, the Steam community’s hosting of the game has been positive; however, there has not been the best start for LawBreakers in terms of a number of players.
It's trash don't try to copy Overwatch
WAT It's more like old school fast fps, unreal tournament, quake etc.
Thats what i wanted it to be but its its not
I find it enjoyable. Decent game for only 30 dollars
And Overwatch is so original? The game literally took Team Fortress, added heros as subclasses, and supers from Destiny. If Lawbreakers is a copy of Overwatch, the later is just a copy of Team Fortress 2 and MOBAs.
took supers from destiny? LOL what!?!??!!?!?!???!??! CoD Black Ops 3 was the closest to stealing off Destiny Supers but there's nothing in overwatch that mimicks destiny.
Whether or not a game is original has nothing to do with it being good. Honestly no game is original anymore these days. The problem is Lawbreakers just plays it too safe, it's not really that good, but it's also not bad. It's just merely okay.
To be fair, overwatch is garbage too. Some people just love garbage.
Get good bro, you Hanzo main
@awdevoftw No it's not. You don't like it? Fine. For you is garbage? Good, your point of view. In general, Overwatch, is NOT garbage at all.
Give me one reason why it's garbage. I'm willing to bet you played some characters once, didn't understand wtf was going on and kept dying.
or maybe next time don't insult console gamers in general how bout da cliffy b?
You do realize that the dude in a very real way created and refined many of the mechanics that Blizzard apes in Overwatch.
Clearly haven't played Lawbreakers. Unreal Tournament is a better comparison than Overwatch. Your ignorant "hot take" does the game an injustice
I can tell you haven't played it yet. It doesn't play like overwatch at all.
Overwatch is far from original plus it has a ton of issues
Tons of issues like what?
Lawbreakers has awful design. People don't like the look. Overwatch has incredible design. Honestly OW isn't a game I care to play but I can recognize what it does well. Everything it does is solid. But not innovative, just a MOBA FPS game with different characters to play and RPG elements. No single player seems meh to me. I don't want to buy a game just for Online Battling especially when lag is an issue.
Such a shame not releasing on Xbox One and Nintendo Switch making it cross play.
The Switch is way too weak to run this game, be realistic.
xbox one s cant run it either
Do you think this game is more demanding than GTA 5? GTA 5 runs on the 360/PS3, The Switch is more powerful than the 360/PS3.... Yeah i don't think running it is the problem. They know their audience and Nintendo fans wouldnt buy it. I main a PC and got no interest in lawbreakers.
It does seem strange for Cliffy B to totally disregard the Xbox family of consoles, I mean the Xbox 360 pretty much made Cliffy B what he is to day. I guess Sony gave him a blank cheque and told him to write a large number on it.
"we wanted to make a character-based first person shooter that appeals to the Call of Duty and Halo crowd"... lol, so you decided not to release it on Xbox, Tweet smak to your xbox 'fans' and downplay the new X development platform. Reap what you sow.
True, Xbox is the home for MP games. Of course PS4 has a higher install base, but that wont help if most of them only play SP games.
Most PS4 games are only single player? Name them.
Why do people say that?, ps4 has multiplayer in almost all their exclusives. And it doesn't matter on that anyways if you multiplat games
While I would definitely disagree that Xbox is somehow the "home" for multiplayer games, I do think Microsoft's first/second party strength generally lies with their multiplayer titles while Sony's first/second party strength is with their singleplayer titles. So I can kind of see where he's coming from, even if he's still wrong about Xbox somehow being the "home" for MP games.
No it's it's, that's just a dumb thing to say. Just because MS focuses the attention of their own games on MP doesn't make the whole console the "home" of MP games. PlayStation has all the big mp games and that's where they sell more. Calling Xbox home of MP is a ridiculous false narrative.
Kind of like how Sunset Overdrive did so poorly on xbone cause it was more of a Playstation like game created by former Playstation only developers, right?
Yet they play and sell better on ps4
This isn't last gen. Just saying.
Xbox is the home of where games flop in sales because of its pathetic install base. Why do you think they skipped the xbox one? did you pull that statement out of your ass? How do you know most people play single player games on ps4? Did you ask every single ps4 owner in the world what they play? Last time I checked, multiplayer games like call of duty, destiny and battlefield were the highest selling games on ps4. Xbox fanboys lie just like microsoft do.
@Bigboss, I was just looking at NPD from December and it shows Xbox leading PS4 in game sales across the board. Where are you getting your information?
Whoa, dont get triggered guys. Just look at the UPCOMING LINEUP OF EXCLUSIVES: X1: Forza 7 - MP Sea of Thieves - MP ONLY Halo 6 - MP Crackdown 3 - MP State of Decay 2 - MP Path of Exile - MP PUBG - MP ONLY Conan Exiles - MP ONLY PS4: GOD of War - SP ONLY GT SPORT - MP Spiderman - SP ONLY Death Stranding - SP ONLY Days Gone - SP ONLY Detroit: Become Human - SP ONLY KNACK 2 BABYYYYY - MP Ni No Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom - SP ONLY The Last of Us 2 - MP So tell me again about that PS4 MP juggernauts please.
@LP Most games across all platforms are SP games. That being said, PS has plenty of MP offerings to choose from. More than MS does really. MS just has a few higher profile ones on lock.
@Death gotta go all the way back to December to find the last time Xbox was selling more games than ps4 huh? You say he's making stuff up, you're doing the same...
@stogs, December was a more relevant month to the games he listed. It was also one of the biggest months for sales. If you want to find a month where PlayStation is dominating in sales and surpasses December NPD, by all means post it.
@Death so the fanboys have gone so low to now use monthly wins for some kind of hollow victory? Here's real facts: Destiny - 6.5 million on ps4, 3.5 on x1 Battlefield 1 - 7 million on ps4, 4.5 on x1 Cod - 7 million on ps4, 4.5 on x1. Care to reach some more?
@stogz, I'm not sure where your numbers are coming from, but the console with half as many sold sells more than half as many games from what you are showing. According to your numbers, Xbox owners buy more games per console than PlayStation owners. BF and COD sell 2/3 the amount of games on Xbox with 1/2 as many consoles? Damn, that's a pretty powerful statement. Thanks for the information. If you want to reach more, go for it.
@Death yes, the biggest games of the year that last gen would be sold way more on the 360 sold barely half as many as ps4. Cod, associated with Xbox sold less on it, but hey gotta take a victory when you can right? Now let's look at damn near every other game and see sales are way, way more on ps4. And because of those 3 games now all Xbox owners buy more games? Attach rates are extremely similar between the 2. But hey, you gotta grab a victory any way you fanboys can right?
I hope the xbox fanbase show him that same love back when he decides to launch it on the system. I know i won't support his game or anything else he puts out. I feel for the team. But cliffy is a douche bag
Xbox sales wouldn't have done much for the bottom line when the bigger user base has given it trouble, already. That said, I played the Beta on PC and it was incredibly fun, so I hope in the end it lives on!
PlayStation fans don't have any reason to support cliffy beyond buying his game if it is good. Xbox fans on the other hand had some loyalty to cliffy thanks to his efforts at epic and his work on gears... There would have been many that would have tried it based off of his name alone, he has burned that bridge. I don't try to hold unnecessary grudges, but he has pissed me off with his arrogant comments regarding many things. However, had he kept his potty mouth shut and released on Xbox, I might have given it a try.
@2cents I dunno if Xbox fans owe him any loyalty. But at the same time, since his name is probably more connected with Xbox than PS, and many xbox fans are familiar with his work, he probably would have gotten more attention from the Xbox user than he did from the PS user. Because of that, he probably could have shown a higher percentage of sales on the system relative to the install base, instead of just relying on raw numbers of PS owners when making his decision. I don't personally really begrudge the man, although I dislike the way he expresses his opinions at times in a condescending manner. But I do know that a lot of his opinions end up being true, or feel the core of what he's saying is more often than not true. I don't think that's a reason to ignore his game though. I ignore it, or at least won't buy it because it's not my kind of game. But I wouldn't actively try to bring the man, or the game down over my personal feelings for him, or the decisions he made on it's release. I can understand why some would be upset with how he addressed those fans on the xbox side though, and that holds some weight in the amount of support one would give him or the game.
I don't think he owes anyone anything. He made the game where he wanted to make it. Disgruntled fans can either buy one of the systems it's available in, or go without it.
Nobody's building a pc or buying a ps4 for lawbreakers.
@ native: Well, if they don't, they won't have access to the game. It shouldn't take Rocket Science for one to know what to to do if they really want a game. Sitting around moaning about it won't change anything. If the interest isn't really there, why would come in here in the first place?
@ LP-Elenen "Disgruntled fans can either buy one of the systems it's available in, or go without it" What funny about you're comment is. Steam and ps4 owner aren't buying or playing it. Which is why their player count is so low. PS4 gamers aren't interested in buying this game since 1) uncharted dlc comes out this month and 2) destiny launch next month. Why would they buy this game when they got better games coming for one. PC/ steam gamers aren't interested in buying this game since they have overwatch, counterstrike and Pubg that's eating up their time. Xbox one gamers would have bought the game but because cliffy insulted and turned his back on the fanbase. That bridge is burnt.
@ The 10th Rider: I disagree, especially when Sony has just as many properties with proper multiplayer elements and they have balanced it out well.
The problem isnt Lawbreakers itself, its a solid game. The problems are Overwatch, CSGO and PUBG which are the games most PC Gamers are at right now when it comes to shooters. Coming out right now was a bad move to be honest.
It's like when the MOBA market exploded and there were dozens coming out. Most crashed and burned and Dota and League still dominate the market. Lawbreakers simply came too late in the game for the genre it is, other titles already ave large playerbases and lots of interest and it's going to be incredibly difficult for a new one to carve out its own space.
I think it's really hard for any game these days to really make a mark, the gaming industry is incredibly competitive. Despite the amount of great games that came out past 5 years, only a handful became memorable to most
Over saturation in a market with a limited number of potential customers is the reason a lot of great games fail to meet expectations. Some rather high profile MP shooter games also failed at market for the same reason, despite rather large marketing campaigns, and high levels of anticipation. Lawbreakers, saw pretty limited marketing compared to others, and even if it was the best game ever made, probably would have struggled to achieve high sales initially. With it's luke warn reception, and in the face of other games getting a lot more attention, it's hard to say if it'll grow considerably over time. Potential is there though, so if he keeps up the support, and continues to improve on it and keep it in the news, he could make it into a success.
It's a game that would have benefitted with a multi console release as well as crossplay to increase player count. You really only have one chance to release a game right. Waiting a little longer to release on both PS4 and Xbox would have probably been smarter than insulting the Xbox player base. We've already seen devs port from PC to Xbox in a matter of days so it's kind of hard to say it's a budget thing. If you are going to rely on a small marketing budget and word of mouth, an attempt to make those words good seems like a much better plan. I like Cliff and hope things go well with the game and his studio. I've been a fan for along time and value his contributions to gaming. Maybe some day he will feel the same for all of his fans.
Can't deny that it would have benefitted from a cross platform release, cross play or otherwise. That's pretty much a given that it would likely have higher sales because of it. I can understand why it wouldn't have given the size of the studio, and I can see the reasoning behind releasing it on a console with a higher install base, so I don't really fault CliffyB for his decision, but at the same time, knowing that more people are likely directly aware of his past work could have overcome that difference in user base. If I was in his shoes to make that decision, I'd probably be in a tough spot to really decide, but in the end, I feel he took the safer route, instead of relying on assumption that his name would bolster sales to a great degree. As far as waiting, while that may be true, it's different when it comes to a smaller dev with more limited financial resources to produce their game. Without knowing all the details involved in the investment in the game, or the support he receieved otherwise, or the make up of his actual studio, I feel it's just assumption to think that he could have gone that route even if he wanted to. As far as porting, yeah, a matter of days, except when it comes to making sure it runs right. I could literally write a single set of code in Unity or Unreal and have it build to The X1, the PC, and the PS4 all in one day. That doesn't mean that the porting process is done, or ends up with a desireable result. I make tools specifically for porting games, and if it was as easy as some devs claim it to be, or the even easier notion that many people here use to insinuate that it's such a quick process, there wouldn't be such a demand for the tools I create, and quite a lot of the tools I create are for porting on the mid-gen models right now. That implies to me, that there is much more work involved than just pressing a build button in the engine. Porting requires resources, and while the architecture itself may indeed make it more fluid, there are too many differences between the PC and the X1 to make it so simple. The ESRAM, the structure of the memory, the actual differences in DX API's between PC and X1, etc, all make it more than just making a build in a day. I do agree about him having good words though. I feel that's a place that CliffyB has always had trouble with, as he tends to have a rather abbrasive way of saying things. The top article when logging in today seems to be about that, and while i haven't read it yet, it's what I've been saying for a long time.....what he says isn't often wrong, he is just terrible at addressing the community when expressing his opinions.
Sure cliffy you're not. But I'm sure the other "65" employees are.
He must know something we don't if he can open a brand new studio, launch a game with poor inital sales figures in an already overly saturated field of FPS to not be worried.
It's even worse than that, because it's a hero-based FPS, a sub genre that is being completely dominated by Overwatch
I'm picking it up next week, I just have prior engagements that's stopping me from prioritizing getting it now
its nothing special at all.
Based on Cliffy B's history that kind of arrogant statement doesn't really surprise me at all. I played the beta and it was fun for a while but got old real quick.
obviously some of u guys never played his older games in the past like UNREAL TOURNAMENT so I'm wondering wtf are u talking about copying overwatch LMAO noobs all over these post.
Hope it does fail miserably..Cliff thinks that he's better than other developers!
Put on that cheesy smile Cliffy cause your game is garbage.
This is a good game, and for $30 it's even better. I was skeptical when I noticed those Framerate drops during the beta, then saw that it was fixed. If you're anti-multiplayer then you don't need to buy this game. But if you enjoy the arena stuff and don't mind dishing out half the cost of a Triple-A, then what's stopping you? Check out those Steam reviews. Steam gamers are not idiots
Pr speak. Isn't that what he said about what other devs had said the other day.
lol because CliffyB is an arrogant prick lol. I hope the game does well, competition is always good but man does CliffyB irritate me.
@Death ''I was just looking at NPD from December and it shows Xbox leading PS4 in game sales across the board. Where are you getting your information?'' Can you please provide a link of your NPD source?