The Xbox One X is an extremely powerful system, and a far more accomplished piece of hardware than any other console currently on the market.
Damn straight it's s good move
It would be pretty stupid on the devs part to make games exclusive to either the PS4 Pro or XB1X. Not just because it would alienate base model owners, but also because the sales would be terrible. Neither one of these consoles will have the install base to justify releasing exclusive games.
Eventually sony and ms will have to alianate the base ps4 and xb1 consoles when the next gen arrives. I figured ms would have been the first to hit the reset button but i was mistaken. The 360 faired much better where the xb1 seems to be losing steam much faster.
Exclusives could help build the install base for the upgraded consoles tho.
Microsoft have said all along they want the Xbox to be an upgrade console from now on so no new genes so to speak. What will be interesting is when the next Xbox is released in 3 ish years time will the Xbox One still be supported or will this drop off and the Xbox x is the new Xbox one. Interesting times in the gaming world for sure
Yep, can't really fault them for this move, especially when there's a big price difference and barrier to entry between vanilla Xbox and premium experience Xbox. Doing the opposite would have been the worst possible move for them.
It's probably one of those things that wouldn't have happened for a while anyways. Outside of some indie dev, or some really high end game, no publisher is going to ignore the larger install bases. If the mid-gens gain a sizable portion of the market in the future, then maybe exclusives would be more viable, but more likely, a new gen will be here by then. A dev may very well want to make something exclusive, but they have to make a profit, and publishers will insist on it.
Extremely powerful and far more accomplished. Get a room, gamingbolt
I will wager the model that iphone and ipad started will be the path for xbox. X1x will become base when x2x is made in 4 years as price drops
In other words "Microsoft Not Allowing An Actual Good Reason To Own An Xbox One X Is A Good Move, Says Aaero Dev"
That's so ignorant it's scary. *scratches head* You're wrong, btw. Exclusives. Are. Bad. For. Every. Single. Consumer. Thank god some people are smart enough to see that. Cudos to M$ for dropping the ridiculous/manipulative child scam that is the kids toy walled garden. Thank. Me.
SO are you saying you would be one f the first to congratulate MS if they released Halo 6 or Forza on either Nintendo, Sony or Steam? If there are no exclusives for a console the only reason people would consider buying it is because of a power gap for maybe 2 years. That isn't enough for most people. I bought PS4 be a use of the exclusive library that Sony offers. Yea I happen to play 3rd party multi platforms. But if I had an Xbox I couldn't play Hellblade, Paragon, worlds of final fantasy, I wouldn't have VR and I wouldn't have been able to play awesome games like journey in 60fps or Last of Us remastered.
Sorry, but. that's. stupid. So. no. thanks. from. me! and Exclusives. Are. Not. Bad. For. The. Consumer. Unlike. People. Like. You. That. Says. They. Are. Which you are only the minority group think so. Majority don't give 2 ***** about you thinking that exclusives are bad!
Exclusives aren't always bad, but it's highly situational to the game and user base of the consoles. In this case, while it probably wouldn't be bad for the game itself if it was exclusive to the X1X(or PS4P if we want to include it), chances are, the sales of the game may not overcome the cost incurred to make it. When the devs start making games exclusively that would require that much more power, there is more cost involved due to the detail that typically gets put into them. Assuming we're talking AAA games of course....in which case, exclusives aren't that common anyways outside some cases.
Microsoft needs to do something to differentiate it from the rest of the pack. Just simply being "beastly" aint going to cut it. Where are the must have games only found on nintendo and sony consoles? Are you xbox fans mainly getting the xbox1x so you can play most 3rd partys slightly better than the ps4pro? Because, lets not act like the xb1x is that much stronger than the pro when the fact still remains... Both consoles are still tethered to their vanilla versions and for that reason.... No mp games will run at 60 fps because of parity factors. Soo its 1400-4k on the pro and what 1800-4k on the xb1x... Where only single player games and indies will have the possibility** to be 4k 60 on the x. Which is your halos, gears, and forzas... Ohh not to mention luckys tale and minecraft... The xb1x would have been better off in my opinion if it had exclusives found only on the x... Id love to debate that.
You had my agree till the exclusives for x part, honestly ms needs exclusives (and good ones, quantum break......:( sad face) what they need to do is make the exs as good as it can get on both the base and on x. Then raise up the x ver as nice as possible but not enough to alienate the base........ wait, this sounds familiar 🤔...hmm. Sony is way to head of the game this gen lol
Dont you think though, once the xb1s reaches 149-199 pricerange (which is almost there already) it will be possibly phased out and replaced by the x as the lead console? Ms have a history of phasing things out once a more viable solution arises (esp if when in 2 years the xb1x is 249-299 and is the console gamers prefer). Then, the x will in fact, no longer be tethered to the xb1s and finally be able to reach its full potential. Look at how fast the og xb1 and xb1s dropped in price? I dont see the x being any different. All i was getting at above with my last statement is that the xb1s is holding the xb1x back. If we want to see what the xb1x can do now... I say we rip the bandaid off and ms cut their losses. Either ms should have waited and started next gen in a few years or pressed the reset button now and got a jump on next gen. This mid gen upgrade was a science project for sony where it didnt matter if they did this or not. In 2013 this gen was basically decided and with every passing year the majority ruler only became more and more obvious... On ms part the xb1x was needed to not become even less relevant in the gaming community and to me seemed like a mee too console as it was announced directly after sonys pro. This mid gen nonsense seems ridiculous either way as the majority rules and thats on the base consoles. By the time the majority of gamers are moving on to the x and pro as the consoles mainly in demand... The ps5 and nextbox will be announced. All this mid gen crap did was fan the console wars even harder. It wasnt needed at all. Im ok with it just as long as it doesnt prolong gen 8 even longer. 2019 is 6 years. I want the ps5 to be announced that fall with a 2020 release date with the nextbox either launching the same time or a year later like with the pro and x.
PS4 base and PS4 pro games are SO similar Sony runs the the risk of alienating Pro customers not base base customers. Lots of ppl out there with pro like why did I buy this it's almost a Unperceptible difference. Probably why pro sales are low.
"Microsoft needs to do something to differentiate it from the rest of the pack. Just simply being "beastly" aint going to cut it." Lol
Getting the X to play 3rd party games that look and perform significantly better than the Pro. I guess 1800p checkerboard vs native 2160p with more stable framerates is slightly nowadays.
Ok, come nov we will see what games run at 60 fps... I will agree you will get better resolutions on the x, im not debating that... But not 1800-native 4k at 60 fps on an overclocked jaguar cpu. That aint gonna happen buddy. Let me clarify here, NO AAA 3rd partys will run at 1400-4k 60 on the x, hell prob not even 1080 60 on the x.
Never said anything about 60 fps. Speaking purely on resolution, the difference between native 4k and 1800p is larger than the difference between 1080p and 900p.
"Speaking purely on resolution, the difference between native 4k and 1800p is larger than the difference between 1080p and 900p" Actually No. Checkerboard 4K rendering to native 4K is of diminishing returns. Let's look at a beach it's boulders versus rocks for an (extreme) illustration, that was org XB1 to PS4, now we move to XB1X vs PS4 Pro. To illustrate we start looking at sand in Hawaii compared to sand in CapeCod, USA. From the same distance that we were looking at the boulders and rocks. While the sand in Hawaii is much more fine than the course sand at the Cape we can't tell the difference really from that same distance as we were from the boulders and rocks. Sure if you get on your hands and knees ya it's a big difference from 6 inches away! Most sit at least 6 feet away from their sand errrr TV. What Scorpio will hopefully offer is more detail, more stuff/clutter in worlds, better npc, weather effects, physics, AI. That should be the promise of XB1X, not 4K over Checkerboard (XB1X looks to have Checkerboard offerings anyway) , but will we see these details in 3rd party games not so sure due to parity with XB1+s and to some extent PS4+Pro. For MS first party games for sure we will, except for 30/60fps gotta keep parity withXb1 for MP. It's going to be a real hard road for XB1X/MS
Define significantly. In any case, if it's resolution, maybe wait until we see more of those 3rd party multi-plats that actually are significantly better since it seems right now, all the one's announced are using checkerboarding. Maybe you're out of date on what to hype up, but right now, "native" 4K isn't it.
Why would they want to alienate their fan base?
What do you call ms fans that bought the 2013 xb1 for 499 that came with a kinnect only to release a slimmer, more powerful, 4k bluray drive (xb1s) version 3 years later? My point is microsoft already alienated their fanbase... The og xbox1 and kinnect were basically obsolete the day the xb1s launched. Just like the og xbox1 was phased out of existence like a figment of our imagination, i see the xb1s following the same trend once the x is a 249-349 pricerange...
Well they could just make exclusives for the xbox system.... but maybe that is crazy talk.
I'll say it again... In two years PS5 and the new Xbox will possibly come out, Xbox One support is dropped and the X becomes the "basic" next-gen compatible system for $249-$299. The X has enough under the hood to run next-gen @ 1080p or checkboard, with some being true 4k. The next gen systems will have maybe 30-40% more power and run more games at true 4k.
I agree, and basically said the same thing above... The xb1s will prob have 1-2 more years on the shelf before the x replaces it. Once theres a 149-199 xb1s the x will prob be 249-349 and take the lead as the main selling console nixing the xb1s all together so the x will no longer be held back by the s parity rules. Which is a good thing imo. I honestly would have rather ms started the next gen (9th gen) with nintendo so it would at least have exclusives that can only be found on that system like with the switch but better...
In two to three years 8K (they are out now but expensive) will become the mainstay of screen resolutions especially on screens over 55" although like today's screen resolutions you will still be able to view older content through upscaling techniques in the TV/monitor although different aspect ratios will be viewed with letterboxing which is black bars top and bottom and/or left and right. Of course, screen software (depends on the display) will allow for stretching (everyone looks fat) as well as zooming and clipping (loss of content). Great feature but a pain to use especially if you are viewing different content it usually is better to put up with letterboxing. Of course, a console which outputs content at a screen resolution to match the display is preferable but if the human eye from a comfortable viewing distance can't pick the difference or the difference is marginal between a native and a re-rendered image then I guess there is no problem except for the so called "bragging rights" and you are always going to have that nonsense. BTW. When I say comfortable viewing distance I mean the distance you eyes are from the screen to be able to take in the whole screen without having your head and eyes moving excessively. Of course, this will vary person to person but a good rule of thumb is if you can see the individual pixels you are either too close or you need a higher resolution screen.
It would be nice to see some AAA exclusives for the Xbox (regular and X) something, anything besides Forza... I remember people complaining about Quantum Leap or Force or whatever the name was, and maybe the game sucks IDK, but at least they were trying
Exactly, you meant quantum break. But after the poor sales on some 1st party games as of recent (quantum break, recore, halowars 2, sunset overdrive) ms have made it obvious that their main desire is in 3rd party developments. Which is depressing... They had much more promise for the future during the og xbox and 360 days. If they could only get a few AAA 3rd party devs to make games only for the xb1s/x that would really put them in a better spot. But that would mean losing sales on a sony console that would prob rake in much more profits mainly because of the instal base differences between the 2. Like the deal ms made with crystal dynamics with rise of the tomb raider... If the game had released day and date on xb1 and ps4 it would have easilly sold 2-3 times more than it did.
Allow? Pfffft They don't have any
Lmfao now that i think about it, the author should change the title to "if ms had exclusives"
Hey guys don't forget Super Lucky Takes is exclusive... I think 🤔.
Like it would happen anyway
Of course its a good move but don't expect fanboys to be logical here. Unified fanbase is the future not just for MS but Sony as well. What really cracks me up about some of the hate is all the developers have praised the Xbox1x, but somehow these fanboys know better...............
They risk backlash
I don't understand how it will stack up against ps5. If sony launch a new "gen" then how does the one x hold up when its still hampered by the vanilla one? When a multiplat gets the ps5 treatment does it still have to cater for a one s?
Interesting point. But I think this gen will run long anyway with mid gen refreshes. Sony won't be in a hurry. They're enjoying selling more consoles and more games. Power deficit be damned. When you start a new gen you're back at zero.
The games will scale down across the entire Xbox consoles just like it does with PC games.
your not gonna see a PS5 till at least 2020
MS, and possibly even Sony, will phase out the legacy compliance after a while. MS, and maybe Sony depending on if they want to make a full new gen, may make the X1X the new base model like the OGX1 is now. Personally, I'd wait and see with MS, they have a very long history, and bad habit, of dropping support as soon as possible, often to force something new. OGXbox I could understand due to the NVidia disupute, but the 360 there was no reason to, and in their general software they are really bad about it.
FITgamer thats 100% true and thats exactly what i wanted to say.👍
Whats the point of having advanced hardware, if only a fraction of the target audience buys it ? Its like the Wii U thing. People will think its just an upgrade to their existing console, not really groundbreaking.Especially since the One S is 4k, too, in the advertisements.
I'm getting more and more skeptical about these mid gen upgrades. The pro is a flop already. And what is the point of buying an XB1 X? The game industry has dug itself into a hole. No reason to upgrade.
I agree, but options are always nice to have. For consumers like myself, i purchased a 60' QLED samsung 4k hdr tv so the pro looks quite amazing and especially with psvr. But i wouldnt say flop... If it flopped we would have already seen a pricedrop. Its almost a year gone by and the pro is still 399... I wonder how long it will be before the x sees a pricedrop? Hmm
Disagree. Wii u flopped and never really had price drops. Prices will drop. It doesn't indicate success or flop
@Bronx I wouldn't call a 20% attachrate a flop. And remember. With more overall consoles being sold, more PS4Pros are needed for that 20% attach rate.
How is the pro a flop exactly? Selling 1 out of 5. Awesome choice for 4K HDR TV owners. My Plasma died got a Samsung K8000 4K HDR and was very unhappy with how the org PS4 looked, got the Pro and it looks frigging awesome again.
I dunno if the PS4P is a flop. Sony said it was selling fairly well. I personally was a bit disappointed in what it had to offer in terms of improvements as a whole. Pro support is rather eratic, although some games do utilize it more and that's where I at least don't feel so remorseful about having brought it on impulse. But as it is, I could have finished this gen with the stock system, and wouldn't have been upset about it at all. As it is, I'm just kind of indifferent. I have one, it's good sometimes, no real difference the other times. If a casual gamer asked my recommendation, I probably would just say go with the base console and buy more games instead.
Exactly... I was hoping the pro would at least be able to do 1080 60 but its not possible. The ps5 better be able to do native 4k 60... Id pay 499 for that
so all the x can do now is what the pro has been doing for a year already, giving you better resolution and maybe framerate it cant hit native 4k so again like the pro it will be upscaling, so im not sure why you would buy the X other than being a major MS fan because if you wanted better resolution and fps as the pro you would get a pc now ms share there exclusives
There are more confined native 4k games on the X than the Pro
No its not but nice attempt at spinning it.
How and even why should this even be a thing the 1X is just a Xbox 1 with a bit extra power it should not have its own exclusives as its not a new next gen machine its still a X1 just like the PS PRO is still just a PS4.
I think Sony&MS were able to give it a try since org PS4 and XB1 kinda missed the start of the 4K TV adoption. Is this process gonna work for them next gen with no TV tech moving forward, who knows?
It would have been real stupid, way to piss off 25m people instantly. Same goes for the Pro.
Of course. While powerful, It's a mid gen console and the right business approach is to piggyback it onto the already existent base.
They're already struggling having Xb1 exclusives, why would they make X exclusives ?
yea it is you really don't wanna do a sega.
sure it is a good move if you want to give people very little reason to buy it.
... so taking this into account, what's the point of the XBOX One-X again?
It's a great move for the Xbox one owners, who might eventually get a 1x. Not the best move for those who want top end exclusive new games. But maybe Microsoft will start releasing exclusives when the ps5 drops, giving themselves a bit of a head start adoption rate wise. Plus, the cost will have dropped. Then we can all enjoy a true next-gen experience from the big 2.
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