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Will Microsoft's Claims of "Uncompromised 4K" Hurt the Xbox One X?

At E3 2016, Microsoft announced its flagship console, Project Scorpio, to much fanfare and possibly just as much skepticism. Here was a console that was big on power and big on promises. Perhaps most notable was the promise of Project Scorpio being able to deliver uncompromised 4K gaming.

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chrisx11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

We all know ms loves misleading people with these kind of false statements. Thing is the hardcores(who this console is for)will get this no matter what ms says whether its true or not.

Septic11d ago

The hardcore are a more discerning bunch so any flase statements like playing like playing the Witcher 2 on PS3 will obviously make them ridicule and critique those that make them.

I think the 1X's so called uncompromised 4K is already compromised so people, especially the hard-core are aware of that.

BUT regardless, some naysayers appear to be forgetting/ignoring the fact that 1X will be the most powerful console on the planet come fall and will certainly be making less compromises than anyone else in the market. Therefore, I think any 'hurt that Xbox feels will be minimal.

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niko0411d ago (Edited 11d ago )

What? Who cares about Witcher 2 on PS3? What does that have to do with the topic?

"BUT regardless, some naysayers appear to be forgetting/ignoring the fact that 1X will be the most powerful console on the planet come fall and will certainly be making less compromises than anyone else in the market. Therefore, I think any 'hurt that Xbox feels will be minimal."

That's great if all you want to do is have a penis measuring contest. Personally I want to play new games and that's what PS4 offers. You can buy your X and then play last gen games meanwhile PS4 owners will be playing a steady stream of brand new exclusive games all year long. Unlike Xbox which has had literally only one retail exclusive in ten months. Halo Wars 2 which couldn't even crack 80 on metacritic.

And the reality is all the multiplatform games will be on PC where they will continue to have better graphics than any console.

Death11d ago

@niko,

When you claim your console is better because it has more games, you are still participating in the penis measuring contest, you're just using a different ruler to make yours feel bigger.

If you are one of the people that ignores all third party games and buys every exclusive that comes out, the PS4 is absolutely the console to get. If you are part of the much larger community of gamers that buys significantly more third party games, you have choices. If you are a fan of some of the Playstation exclusives, the PS4 is the better choice since it will play all the third party games as well and that is ok. If you are looking for the most powerful console and are content playing the highest fidelity third party games and the occasional Xbox exclusive, then Xbox One X is a great choice.

From what I am seeing, the Xbox One X will have features and benefits everyone can use. Obviously 4K HDTV owners will get more out of it. PS4 will have more games, but that is only relevant if they are games you want. It seems like some Playstation fans feel having more games to choose from is more important than features and benefits everyone can use. If Playstation fans bought more games it might be a valid argument. Realistically Xbox owners aren't having a problem buying games so I'm not sure why having more games you are not buying is so important. It seems that is the only thing Playstation has over Xbox which is why it has become so important.

darthv7210d ago

If I remember correctly... MS can only speak about "their" games and not speak for the 3rd parties. So the uncompromised 4k is focused on games like gears, halo, forza, recore, killer instinct... the ones their studios developed.

Many confuse MS message as speaking for everyone who released a game on the xbo and that isn't true.

Eonjay10d ago

It won't hurt but it won't help. More importantly, we need Microsoft to stop the false PR. No one else would get away with their strong of lies.

mocaak10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Newest console will be the most powerful? Just like PS4 has been for 3 years, and PS4 Pro has been for the past year? What's so impressive about that? All newer consoles, besides Nintendos, become most powerful in the world. Technology goes forward, not backwards.

They lied about it being a pure 4K console, and that's a fact, there is no spinning that around. Stop defending them.

As it stands right now, it's just a low-mid range gaming Windows Store PC in a console form, without any exclusives.

Godmars29010d ago

@Septic, Death:
"BUT regardless, some naysayers appear to be forgetting/ignoring the fact that 1X will be the most powerful console on the planet come fall and will certainly be making less compromises than anyone else in the market. Therefore, I think any 'hurt that Xbox feels will be minimal."

"When you claim your console is better because it has more games, you are still participating in the penis measuring contest, you're just using a different ruler to make yours feel bigger."

We might as well be arguing PS2 vs OG Xbox. One had power, the other game library. The only real difference from then to now: both Sony and MS made games where only one largely gives lip service.

JaguarEvolved10d ago

Microsoft claims of exclusive titles will hurt because they haven't any exclusive games

MrFisher2110d ago (Edited 10d ago )

MS lost this Gen. And this will not help. I'm all for a powerful console. But I want console exclusives to harness that power. This will not have that. MS can not flash new IPs around so they must go down the power route. Which is fine. But it's going to play 3rd party games a little better? If I was that concerned I would build a PC for that. And make them all much better. I guess some enjoy less for the cost of more.

corroios10d ago

But microsoft lied yet again. Another one after all the secret sauce. They didnt deliver. Thats the fact. A 499 price tag for something that doesnt do 4k in all games? In late 2017? Called the beast?

showtimefolks10d ago

septic

True 4k checkerboarding power

the beast in last place

4Sh0w10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

chrisx, ehat galse statements this has been repeatedly printed on every gaming site since Project Scorpio eas announced at E3 June 2016:

June 2016
Xbox head Phil Spencer has said that he won't mandate games to be 4K on Scorpio.
https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

June 2016
"If developers want to use those 6 teraflops in other ways they’re free to do that.” -Phil Spencer
https://www.vg247.com/2016/...

-Why is it so hard to understand that they emphasize a strength with "true 4K" marketing because it will have higher res and more native 4K games than it's competitor?

rainslacker10d ago

If I'm understanding your point, you're saying that since the hardcore are more discerning, it doesn't matter that MS is using misleading marketing to sell their console?

Not really sure since you were all over the place, and then ended with something unrelated about it being the most powerful console, which isn't the topic here, so it wasn't a matter of forgetting, it's just someone not bringing it up because it wasn't relevant to MS marketing plan.

Basically, if there are compromises, it's not uncompromised. And when every big game they showed at E3 was compromised, it kind of comes across that MS wanted the narratve to start that it would be uncompromised so the fan boys could go on about it for a year, while leaving themselves an out where the fan boys could come back and say that MS never promised it.

Playing both sides of the fence as it were.

Bigpappy10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

All 1st party games are Native 4K. People shouting "Liar" should look in the mirror sometimes. Often you guy make statements like: "the X has no games", The "PS pro can do every thing the X1 can"; X1X can not run AAA games at native 4K"; "MS said every game on X1 will run 4K60" ... Those are the real lies.

OffRoadKing9d ago

No one is forgetting or ignoring that, but smart people know all the power in the world doesn't make a system great. So your consoles the most powerful, ok now what?

SCW19829d ago (Edited 9d ago )

@Lex

Curious to know how the PS4 Pro is considered misleading.

DoubleM709d ago

Nah they not forgetting they just trying to throw shade on the 1X. It's the most powerful now they need to just get over it and play games.

FATHASUN9d ago

I guess moving forward that tagline will be used by any manufacturer of the newest console which logically becomes "the worlds most powerful console". Until the next most powerful console in the world comes along.

A constant game of leapfrog... One-upmanship etc...

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DevilOgreFish11d ago

It's up to the developers to decide how to use the Xb1 X. 3rd party developers can take advantage of the 4k feature but are not "required" to. Microsoft also isn't responsible for negligence made by 3rd party developers. that being said Microsoft does claim that there will be many existing games in native 4k.

CyberThug1080i10d ago

Assassin's Creed upscale native 4K
My list is the best,
It goes way back.
😀

All these games run on Xbox One X at Native @4K 60fps
and that's just the ones
I can think of, off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more check the internet.
Halo 5,
Resident Evil Vll,
Gears of War 4 (HDR),
Star Wars Battlefront 2,
Call of Duty WWII,
Dragon Ball Fighterz,
Super lucky's tale,
Titanfall 2,
Forza MotorSports 7,
Madden NFL 18,
 Sine More EX,
Black Desert,
Mantis Burn Racing,
F1 2017,
SMITE,
Fable Fortune,
Paladins,
Doom,
FIFA 18, (Dolby Atmos)
Path of Exile,
Killer Instinct,. . . .

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-...

2pacalypsenow10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That's a cop out both Sony And MS use. If the hardware was capable, all devs would make it native 4k that's why you dont see checkerboard rendering on PC.

andrewsquall10d ago

@CyberThug1080i Most of the games you just listed have not been confirmed as "NATIVE 4K" that you just said. They are "TRUE 4K" games in "TRUE" Microsoft use of the words where nobody knows if it is actually native 4K. Try again.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

rainslacker10d ago

MS is responsible for obfuscating "true 4K" and what it would mean though.

trainsgofast10d ago

Good job and what most don't get is that all MS games are N4k/30-60fps, dynamic resolution is in fact if it's 2160p or higher is native 4k+.

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Genkins11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I wonder though about the accuracy of the claims. when has MS ever mentioned that "ALL" games on scorpio will be native 4k. ??? this was never mentioned. the only thing mentioned in Scorpio's propaganda was "enable" true 4k gaming". https://i1.wp.com/cdn.uploa... sneaky SOBs.

Khalnaayak11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

If x1x had enough power, all games would have been true 4k but the joke jaguar 'evolved' ain't strong enough. Wait for PS5 for the real 'true' 4k, not compromised 4K that x1X provides.

Eonjay10d ago

I don't think Sony or Microsoft should be catering to 4k or at least they should make sure both provide solid 1080p. That is what is gonna benifit most people and we could really push fidelity. Then next gen give us solid 4k . I am not chasing a new TV for them. If we wait we can get some of those better TVs for cheap.

2pacalypsenow10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

If someone says Uncompromised 4k gaming, it means games will be 4k without compromises, checkerboard rendering is a compromise.

Now if he had said, "most" games will be uncompromised, that would different.

The way he said it, made it sound like all games will be native 4k which a lot of people over the last year claimed, and made fun of the Pro's checkerboard rendering, and how the Pro is not a 4k console because of this.

To me I don't care, checkerboard and native look the same on my C7, just like most people don't even know majority of the 4k Blu Rays are not even mastered in 4k, and they cant tell the difference.

Christopher10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

They called it a true/uncompromising 4k machine. The only inference one can gain from that is it would play all content in 4k. Otherwise that wouldn't be true.

They misstepped on that line and used it too often to make it a one off mistake.

That's been my only contention with their promotion of the X.

rainslacker10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

They always ascerted that it was up to the developer on how to use the power.

But Spencer said at the reveal that they were giving devs the power now to deliver uncompromised 4K. The assertion was that it would be readily capable of doing such a thing, and MS never bothered to curb people's expectations that it would be fairly ubiquitous. After this E3, it's become more apparent that the power isn't there to offer uncompromised 4K on a large scale across a lot of games. Some games will achieve it, but most probably won't.

It's not that they outright lied, it's that they were disingenuous in their marketing by propagating the idea that it would be commonly available.

Most of the problem came that the fan boy expeectations became a thing that it would be common, and it was either directly stated or heavily implied that it would offer up native 4K much more frequently than we're seeing so far. If they hadn't of done that, or MS actually was more assertive that it would probably not live up to those expectations(like Phil did with DX12 long ago), then it wouldn't be quite the issue it is now.

As it is now though, Xbox fan boys are flip flopping on their prior assertions that it would be more ubiquitous, and saying "Well, MS never said it'd be for all games". All the while, those of us who have been saying it wouldn't be ubiquitous since MS first said "uncompromised 4K" are called haters, all while avoiding the fact they weren't of that mindset before this past E3.

DJStotty9d ago

Exactly, its just fanboys spinning microsofts words. They stated the console can do uncrompromised 4K, which it can.

I watched the reveal and even i knew off the bat that not all games will be 4K native, Its not a case of the power isnt there, its a case of developer compromise.

DJStotty9d ago

@khalnaayak So if the xbox one x is "compromised 4K" what does that make the PS4 Pro? "Even more compromised 4K"?