Believe it or not, free mods will likely co-exist with Creation Club content.
The only reason free mods still exist is because they existed before. This is a move toward fully controlled fully paid mods. Make no mistake about it. There are always people who defend nickel and dime and abuse of the system by these companies and as long as people accept it it always gets worse and more obtrusive.
The next Elder Scrolls and Fallout will not have the same free mods atmosphere, as soon as Creation Club was announced free mods died. It may be a slow death but it's dead.
Creation Club is mostly for those creators who put a lot of hard work and time into the mods.
& they are in for a rude awakening if they think anyone will pay for them even Bethesda
Paid mods is simply gonna bring about the end of modding as we know it
Creation Club is not for modders it's for Bethesda.
Not really. PC gamers fought back against paid mods. They will fight against the Creation Club. PC gamers are not easily seduce as console gamers.
They aren't, in any way, paid mods. They are hiring modders to create official content. Completely different. You don't own the output of modders.
Paid mods = the end of mods & this is what Bethesda wants
Bethesda will fail again.
Sometimes these games company's get so large they forget what gave them there leg up...Gamers buying there games .... Greed seems to breed more greed.
Am going to get a lot of disagrees here. But I welcome the creation club. If a modder creates something amazing and it does not break the game in anyway and bethesda give it a check over and gives it the green light. Then am fine throwing some money at the person who created the mod.
Am not a massive modder. I don't mod my games all that much to be honest. But I do appreciate free mods. If these modders want to create mods for free then that is fine they can do that. If they put time and effort into a mod and feel like they should make some money from it. Then why not?
Nexus wanted to allow a (no profit for nexus) donation system but Bethesda stopped them. All this is, is a way for Bethesda to make a profit off something that was free. It's just nickel and dime scheme. And you wait and see, I guarantee you the next Elder Scrolls or Fallout games will come with cease and desist letter to the mod sites and free mods will be removed, the writing is on the wall.
Thing is in my view if Bethesda simply just said right we are bringing out the creation club. If you want to make money from your mods put it on the creation club but we take a bit of the profit and that's all that happened. Then I can agree what would be a scummy move.
But from my understanding. Mod creator decides to sell his/her mod instead of giving it away for free. He/she submits it to creation club. Bethesda then checks the mod to make sure it won't break anything ingame. Code it so it does not disable trophies/achievements ect. Then am fine with that. As bethesda is doing some quality control for it and sure they want to be paid for it. But as long as the modder get's most of the money from the sale then I am fine with it.
Absolutely. Some entitled gamers forget people put a lot of hours and sometimes years on these mods. Some use original voice work, music, textures, add new code to some of these mods. Bethesda and mod makers who want to get paid are bad guys but Steam doing it is fine. Entitled gamers with a free mentality on other peoples work.
Wait, so mods have been free since the dawn of pc gaming yet users are the greedy ones not Bethesda who is the one actually changing things to make money...
Mods haven't always been free. Many are turned into games. Funny how you also ignored the fact that Steam has been doing this for a while now.
Why would somebody dislike that, unless of course they were personally offended XD
Mods for Bethesda games have always been free and the crap that they do on steam is BS too.
Just because Steam does it doesn't make it O.K.
I could see this going in several directions. I could see it being used just to get people to hold onto their games and allow Bethesda to sell more. I can see it providing low cost horse armor and giving the developers the ability to move on to something new while still supporting the old games. But what I'd hope to see is this being a training ground for new developers. Whether beginners or vets it could allow people to publish content and build a portfolio. And it could bring in people who aren't the normal gamers. People from areas like fashion offering unique one of a kind horse armor.
If Bethesda provides tools simple enough tools or progressively more focused tools this could provide a lot of opportunities. And yeah, they'll highjack some ideas.
I hope we do see this system actually bring in quality modders and allow those who do put in good time and effort to reap the benefit and conversely those just looking to sell horse armor hopefully will not see any meaningful gain. Those who think this will kill mods are in for a shock. If the mods are good enough I think you will see them bought and recommended in the community. Certainly Bethesda will hijack a few ideas but hopefully with some success a few modders may get a chance at a career and possibly get picked up by a studio. I mean those making compelling mods that people want to purchase are going to be modders a developer will take note of.
I hope and believe it will help people start a career. It is an opportunity for Bethesda to also pick up new people. The structure definitely comes off as a long interview process. They approve an idea and give you a timeline but work with you. They get to see if you can make deadlines and by handling quality control they get to make sure you really know what you're doing.
And I don't think the whole horse armor thing is bad. Unique items for MMOs would be a good thing. Actually having individual coders act as an armory owner in Tamriel online would be great. You come in look at some things and ask for custom armor. They get to work on a mod. Or they make and auction pieces if they're really good. Brings a whole new element to the sneak skill set when you rob a house for that particular armor.
There have been quality modders since modding began at the dawn of pc gaming. You insult the people who created the whole idea on modding in the first place.
Bethesda didn't create the idea of modding. Fans of games created mods for games and as time when on certain companies decided to embrace the idea.
@tyasia0 "You insult the people who created the whole idea on modding in the first place." Hardly... I would venture most modders have been creating free content that solely benefits gamers and the companies that made the game they modded for with the hope that their mod would serve as a portfolio to spark a career and propel them in the industry more often than not. The work they do is forced to be a labor of love because there isn't a good system in place to reward them for their efforts. Is this that system? I don't know to be honest...but if Bethesda handles this correctly and puts the modders first then modders get a chance to really win for once. Entitled gamers crying "but they have always been free and should be free" are rarely if ever the people actually doing the work to make the mods. I would love to see an article that interviews all the top modders and get their candid view on this topic. Guessing that would be pretty interesting.
Dlacy your flat out wrong go read the nexus forums and see many modders who absolutely hate the idea, and yes I am one of them, so uh hey FU.
They/we wanted to be able to ask for donations on nexus and still offer things for free, but Bethesda said no because their ultimate goal was to sell paid mods and take the lion share of the profit.
And charging money doesn't improve anyone's chances of getting a job over anyone doing it for free. And I don't get the sense that "most" people where hoping for a career. Most people were just fans of the game and created something for themselves and the community in their spare time for fun.
Tyasia I'm curious as to why you guys don't get together and start your own studio if you are looking to make money from it. It would seem that if there is already somewhat of a community you just need to organize groups that can work together.
Bethesda has been incredibly anti-consumer lately. Don't think I'll be buying their games anytime soon.
That's ok, the next Elder Scrolls won't come out for a long time anyway, bet you by then you will buy it...
Well, it was nice while it lasted...on my way to go pre order some non-Bethesda games!
This article is wrong in several places, chief among them being that bethesda would support extremely large mods (it would take too many resources to ensure compatibility with all other DLC). Anyone complaining about this system either hasn't thought it through or is incredibly cheap/selfish. Modders capable of producing DLC quality content deserve to be paid for their work. Bethesda is simply hiring them to produce DLC. They aren't willy nilly creating mods and selling them. Significantly more effort must go into these creations because compatibility with other DLC is a bethesda requirement. Bethesda must also approve their creation in the first place, most likely meaning that they can't break lore. Every modder won't/can't get into this program being as it is a close collaboration with bethesda, and they are only working with top tier creators, along with others they have worked with in the past, such as the company that produced fallout new vegas, not to mention bethesda will produce much of the DLC itself. Do point where something is "greedy" here. Bethesda is doing this to provide these games with more content while still focusing on other games. How could this destroy the modding scene, which outputs at a significantly greater volume, mods of a much greater size (and most likely variety) much of the time. Thumb me down, as you are unwilling to spend any money on content that you believe these creators should be putting out for free, when that really isn't up to you. They work hard, and can be paid if they are lucky enough to make it into the program. More creators may be attracted, and may create even better content, due to being paid. -end of rant that the stubborn children will be sternly against.
Paid mods huh? Sorry but no.
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