The battle fought by Microsoft and Sony to control the “high-end” market of consoles increasingly resembles a huge waste of time and resources
The writer is wrong about 4K. It is not as nitche as many may think. He doesn't understand trends as it pertains to gaming. The TV industry is all about 4K. No one is building 1080p TV's anymore, and have not in a while. 4K is growing fast and will grow even faster because of these new consoles and the games that support them. Gamers will buy 4K TV's when they see the leap it provides over 1080p. Its a BIG leap.
Commercializing such powerful consoles just to add 4k texture, increase resolution and improve framerate is equivalent to camping with a Ferrari. We need new types of video games with better IA, next-gen physics, environmental destruction and animation, not video games that differ from those for X360 or PS3 only for 4k graphics
The industry has proven that console gamers don't really care much for response times and instead favor graphical enhancements. Insomniac has shown reviews do not favor high frame rates which is why they sadly went to 30fps gameplay over the earlier days of 60fps. The XB1 and PS4 Pro are also just midecycle upgrades, not new generation leaps. Nintendo ironically is the only one who takes frame rates seriously.
If you have a 4k tv (of which I have 2) you want 4k content period. A better analogy would be having a 4x4 truck ready for anything and having to waste it by not having any mountains. HD has been around for a looooong time and once you have 4k, it makes seeing a 1080p screen look like you're watching VHS tapes.
@moldybread Have you played Breath of the wild?
I couldn't agree more. Display resolution is changing the narrative and controlling everything. It's eating up GPU resources, and imo, it's a waste. Let's see some true advances in gaming, like the ones you listed.
"Commercializing such powerful consoles just to add 4k texture, increase resolution and improve framerate is equivalent to camping with a Ferrari. We need new types of video games with better IA, next-gen physics, environmental destruction and animation, not video games that differ from those for X360 or PS3 only for 4k graphics." This a thousand time over. I severely despise this focus on superficial 4k when that power should be used to improve gameplay.
So...you're just gonna pretend like input lag isn't a factor on current 4k TVs? I can tell you from experience that it's noticeable, whether it be a TV or monitor. It's great for single player games where you're not needing to be lightning quick in your reflexes as you need in multiplayer. But I'm sure people will just pretend like it's nonexistent. And a 4k tv without HDR is a huge waste of money. That's where the leap is at.
Rtings has budget TVs like the TCLP607 with a great PQ, peak brightness for HDR, and low input lag. Do your research.
the samsung ks range has input lag of low 20's. :P http://www.rtings.com/tv/re...
@Guilty TCL? Do my research? Youll definitely get what you're paying for with it. Don't know why Samsung and Sony TVs even exist. @chrisoadamson I have a Samsung KS series 4k w/ HDR. The imput lag is noticeable when I play siege or games similar unless you set it to "Game Mode" on its picture settings. But it lowers resolution.
No one is building 1080p TV's anymore? Sony just released new 1080p TV's with HDR this year.
Nice! I did not know that.
The majority of TVs are now 4K - like 90+% of them. Sure, you can still find some TVs with 1080p res, but most of them are lower-end TV's without the bells and whistles.
So HDR is coming to 1080p sets???? That's surprising.
The "tv industry" can care less for 4k due to bandwidth limitations. Proof, 1080p with a reputable bandwidth is still not a standard on all cable and satellite providers. If, big if, you get any 4k, it is at an extra cost and nowhere near a decent choice to compliment tvs. The market is also not supporting 4k hd blurays or bluray players. The mid gen consoles are also only pushing this gens games. The mid gens are overkill by reaching for better image quality on these games. Either is fine... they are options... but to say that the tv industry is all about it is not correct by a long shot. The tv manufactures can be making said tvs... but they are not getting supported by anyone right now outside of Netflix and Amazon unless you want to jump through hoops getting them off of a computer.
huh? This makes no sense - at least in terms of physical 4k media. 4K UHD blu-rays are selling much better than anyone anticipated. http://4k.com/news/4k-uhd-b... True, cable providers are slow to adapt due to technological limitations, but im sure by 2020 such limitations will be overcome by many cable/satellite providers. As far as TV hardware is concerned - major manufacturers like Sony, Samsung and LG have thrown all their eggs in the 4K basket. Mark my words - and I know this sounds crazy - but, in about 5 or so years, talk of 8K sets will begin.
"Selling much better than anticipated" They can sell all the players they want and better than anticipated can mean anything... But the actual content is sparse and not transferring well with movies or tv viewing. Yes, it will grow... but physical sales have declined massively overall for content. Yes, they will continue to push tvs... but the growth rates also are declining as far as consumers adapting to newer tvs because they just are not nearly as supported as when hd programming originally got introduced. Sports was the number one reason for growth as far tvs go and as long as sports on cable and satellite only support 1080i with low hz... consumers are not in a hurry to upgrade like they were in the past. 8k will be welcomed because that means 4k tv will be standard and 4k tvs will be cheaper. 8k will be a luxury tv only for many years. Going full circle... it is nice that consoles are adding the extra umph to gaming to maybe give a push to sales.. but it is still considered overkill to majority of consumers until 4k broadcasting becomes the norm thus making the upgrade worth while. In 2020, we will be talking about next gen gaming and consoles that will still only be 4k. 8k gaming on consoles will be a long way away.
True. Cable companies broadcast in 1080i max, and are nowhere near supporting 4K. 4K isn't big enough yet because there aren't enough mediums that actually support it.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. I love all the downvotes, even though I provide you with clear evidence that 4K blu rays are selling really well...Perhaps you need more evidence? According to another reputable source, 4K blu rays are selling 4x better than blu rays did when they were introduced in 2006. Again, 4X BETTER. To sit there and say the "content is sparse or not translating" is completely untrue. http://variety.com/2016/dig... Moreover, 4K tv sets are being adopted FASTER than 1080p sets were... https://venturebeat.com/201... Not to mention Samsung, Oppo, Sony, LG, Philips etc. all currently offer 4K players on the market - and at reasonable prices I might add. Also, your assertion that broadcast companies are uninterested or not supporting 4K broadcasting is flat out wrong. Broadcasting networks have plans in the works RIGHT NOW to prepare and release ATSC 3.0. ATSC would replace ATSC 1.0 and allow networks to broadcast their content in both 4K and HDR. https://www.theverge.com/20... Not only that, but we cant discount the growing amount of 4K content on streaming services as well, like Netflix and Amazon Prime. The production and consumption of 4k content is accelerating quickly - and the Xbox One X and PS5 will only amplify such trends. You make the argument that sports being broadcast in 1080i was a big motivator for people to upgrade their sets back in the day. Yes, this was true back in 2006-2007. But the story is different today. Any time someone looks to buy a new TV today - for whatever reason - 90% of the time they'll be getting a 4k set because that's all that major manufacturers like Samsung, Sony, LG, and Vizio offer. Good luck finding a 1080p TV at Best Buy or even Walmart. You MIGHT be able to find a 1080p set, but chances are it will be 37" or less in size, and it wont offer HDR. Your argument just doesn't hold water. And even if people are totally satisfied with their 1080p sets and refuse to upgrade them, I assure those people, their sets will die sooner or later. Much more likely than not, their replacement set will be a 4K TV.
No one is building 1080p TVs anymore? They're still making 720p tvs you dolt.
720 and 1080p sets are relegated to the back seat at this point - they are increasingly hard to find, and generally lack higher end features. Dont be dense, you know this to be true. To quote Rtings.com: "Nowadays though, it is difficult to find anything other than a 4k TV. 1080p is usually reserved for cheap budget options and all the better TVs will have a UHD resolution. Premium features named earlier are not found on lower resolutions anymore." -Rtings
higher framerates and graphics over resolution anyday.
Childish side of the console war? That's a beyond redundant statement
There is no "Childish side." The console war as a whole is childish.
Not necessarily: the infantile struggles between the fanatics of one or the other platform are just a superficial manifestation of the console war. If we look at it from a broader perspective we realize that competition between Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo has produced many benefits for everyone, as I've tried to illustrate in this article
The "childish side" was and is intended. It drives a market. It creates separation and a fanbase that becomes blind and drives consumer pools that drive business support. It is the number one goal of marketing. It is 101. You want the negatives as much as you want the positives. It creates core bases that will always support a company.
Look theres no doubt the X Box One X has more to offer than the PS4 Pro but the PS4 just has WAY too many great games and the PS4 Pro is $100 cheaper.
"Look, theres no doubt the X Box One X has more power than the PS4 Pro..." I fixed it for you.
So the part about Ps4 having more and better games is true then?;)
"So the part about Ps4 having more and better games is true then?" No....that would be called subjective. Sony or Microsoft could have 50 new games exclusive or otherwise. If not a single one appealed to me then effectively they would have zero. Truth is absolute where as opinion is not......most on this site conveniently forget that. This stupid ass console war is nothing more than a battle of Egos that the corporate vultures feed upon to push more product. Unfortunately most are not bright enough to realize that.....or choose to ignore it.
@BigBoss Yes, of course. There is no doubt about that. @ArmrdChaos As for the subjectivity of the quality of the games, if most likes something and you are the only one not to like the problem lies in you.
What does it have to offer? The level of the games are not innovative or graphically astonishing now... putting a 4k shine on those games, that are available everywhere, is not putting a dent in the market. Crackdown 3 still looks like a 360 game... even with a 4k shine waxed on, it will put no dent in the market. Horizon still looks better than anything that has been shown off on the x. That is due to game engine development... not "power". The number of games only available on PlayStation that are getting complimented by these engines far outweighs what the x will be offering.
Art style and animation trump fidelity every time.
I am mostly in agreement with the story. 4K is a ridiculous target for the current state of console technology. 1080p was already a major challenge, with most games having to settle for half the ideal frame rate. Now they have to fill 4 times as many pixels every frame. Adding horsepower to the GPU helps, but that only ups the cost of consoles without adding anything to how good the games themselves can become.
Was 720p a ridiculous target back in 2005? They should have pushed for VGA 120fps
Damn, you read a Halo article and Xbox fans say 60 fps is a must, but now it doesn't matter? Now 30 fps is okay?
720p is a hard target for Xbox to even reach now. They barely skimmed by with it even in games as big as Metal Gear Solid. 4k gaming is a bonus, but it comes and comes again as a target that it gone for with side blinders on.
"720p is a hard target for Xbox to even reach now. " Completely clueless 😂
Oh look septic is talking about himself again.
Its not ridiculous. Why not shoot for maximum visual fidelity? Face it, whether hardcore gamers like it or not, graphics sell. The casual gamer often sees "that new AAA game" and his/her jaw drops at the graphical fidelity - and boom, a new sale is generated. I agree advances in physics and AI are a must for new games, but in all honesty, the layman gamer is drawn to graphics. That which generates mass appeal will almost always be the focus of any company, hence 4K.
This console war is going as scheduled with the BEAST on the attack.
Agreed. All these killer exclusives from PS4 are just beasting and dominating.
Going as scheduled for who ? I hope your are talking about Sony
It's a pussy cat on a leash. That leash being the CPU. How many devs are going to have to say it before you get it through your head?
The new consoles were made to take advantage of the newer chips that AMD forced on them, because AMD have moved away from manufacturing the chips that the OG ps4 & xbone use, meaning it would cost them more to get the old chips. MS just chose to wait longer & risk more of a loss on their OG xbone so they could get newer parts, while Sony wanted to get it out fast so that they don't run into financial problems again.
This makes very little sense. Sony basically put 2 of the ps4 GPU chips in the pro, and overclocked everything. They doubled down on the old chips. And how is Sony in danger financially?
Sony as a whole is doing terribly financially. The games division is booming however. Tvs are starting to catch back up too.
It's refreshing to see this type of piece rather than the usual flamebait. It is a childish and narrow minded view to just say one is better for a certain person not yourself. I do disagree with 4k, it's next, but we all do want the bigger next step as well. This gen is not much better than last even with mid gen upgrades. Kudos for taking a broader perspective but using the term M$ sort of damages the point at the end.
People that want 4k on consoles now have options which is great. Then there are those people that are happy with 1080P on consoles and they too have options so that's great too. Why not allow people to choose? At the end of the day it's personal choice that matters most.
Ug. a waste of time article
Frames were important this gen at least in the beginning on this site. It has slowly drifted away from that, personally I'm just all about the overall experience.
Come Nov 7 Rip to 720p. I'm ready for the backwards compatible next gen system. This article failed to mentioned the X has next Gen enhancements. I wouldn't be surprised if Most Ms games ship with a mix 900p - 720p after 2 years of X1X on market.
If you're ready for the next gen system you'll be waiting a while.
Childish? Oh please everything about the "console war" is childish, that doesnt mean its not fun to get under some of the gamer's skin.
What's childish is pretending that nobody has 4k tvs and that nobody wants them or pretending that the launch gen8s were good enough. I wish Xbox and ps would have supported 4k from initial launch... or been ready for it. The gen 8 launches were already the lowest power jumps of any console generation. The pro and one x were corrections. From cnet: 4K for all Non-4K TVs won't go away entirely in 2017, but at CES in particular they'll be rarer than $5-blackjack tables. Basically every TV on display, announced or talked about will have 4K resolution, from the massive-screened booth magnets to the 40-inch demo units used to show off another technology entirely. All those extra pixels (four times as many as standard 1080p TVs) don't really cost much extra to manufacture anymore, and all but the cheapest TVs sold in 2017 will have 4K resolution. From 4k.com: Now, as 4K resolution becomes dominant among all major new TVs released by each major brand and is further enhanced by the introduction of increasingly common HDR display technology, the market for 4K TVs in 2017 is growing without signs of slowdown. This is backed up by numbers and educated guesses as well. According to the most recent findings from the research firm Futuresource consulting, sales of 4K ultra HD TVs will expand a further 38% by the end of 2017 and will make up over a third of all TV sales for this year. I'm sure I'll get disagrees but just know you're disagreeing with facts not opinion.
Yea 38% of sales. You're forgetting everyone who doesn't need a TV for a while. Over 75% of tvs in homes are 1080p or lower.
You assume that everyone is actually buying those TV's, which isn't the case. While 4K TV's are selling well enough, the actual percentage of people that own them is pretty small, and it's not going to be significantly larger by the end of this console generation. Even if it doubles in size in the next 3 years, which is the expectation, that still puts total 4K TV's in people's homes at less than 20%. That 38% expansion is in overall year over year sales. The 4K install base is less than 10% now, and you expect it to jump another 28% by the end of the year? It also means that people will still be buying 1080 TV's as well, because they are on sale still, and what's left is pretty cheap, and some of the are really nice TV's.
PS vs. Xbox?! Lol...no. Those two aren't competing anymore. Sony ALREADY won that battle. Now it's more like Nintendo vs. Xbox. They're fighting it out for second place.
LOL, what a load of rubbish.
It pretty much equates to "mines bigger than yours". One group is ignoring what really important (in most people's opinions) just to say we have the most powerful console. It's a d measuring contest, nothing more nothing less. ,
Most sides of the console war are childish. It's all a big ruse by all of the big players to get us to "pick a side" and effectively spend more on the products of our chosen champion. I'm sure both Sony and MS are loving it. And yet, even knowing what I do, I get just as drawn into it as everyone else here, so ruse or not, it works.
I'm on my second 4k TV, 1080p is pretty much dead now, trick is to get a real 4k TV and not the '4k' tvs, difference is like the old 'HD Ready' 720p/1080i sets from years ago and 1080p. But on topic, make games not war.
Uhm, you need a 1080p option on a TV, you don't just jump straight to 4k an ignore 1080p? Oh wait.
Still waiting for 4K monitor with HDR.
Dell has one right now...though its 1500 bucks. Ouch
Childish side? The gaming community as a whole, is childish.
As others have said...there's no childish side to it because that implies there's an adult side to console wars. There isn't.
I do think 4k is a big and welcomed jump, if not a little premature for a console price point. I would have happily settled for upscaled on a cheaper console (the pro), but I'm up to my eyes in digital content on the xbox that I can't bring myself to cut loose. I'll definitely pick up an XBX if a couple of XBX exclusives drop. Then I'll really get a feel for what it can do.