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Man, I'd be fine with 720/900p if it meant a solid 55-60fps
Even then it wouldn't be an option. Current-gen console CPU's can only do so much.
Both Sony and Microsoft cheaped out with those Jaguar processors.
On top of that, I'd pass on sub 1080p resolutions on a 4k display.
Dang with the XBOX doing Forza 7 4K60 the PS4 Pro must be severely under powered to not pull off 1080p60.
There is no reason to buy a Pro
Those Jag cores mean 30fps for the majority of games on all consoles. I don't see that changing next gen either, frame rate is far less marketable than resolution.
@skull521 There are games on Pro that also run 4k/60, surely you see how dumb it makes you look comparing 2 vastly different games?
What resolution is the XBOX running Spider-Man? Oh wait...
On a more serious note, Forza is a closed circuit racer which is why the XBOX can run fit at 4K60. This is evident by the other AAA games shown running 4K checkerboard at 30 frames. Seems the XBOX is just as underpowered as the PS4 Pro by your standards.
4K 30fps it is !
It's great for this kind of games..
Just look at ratchet or infamous.
@Skull: Yeah, there's no reason to be impressed by a pretty racing game. Racing games are showpieces because there's not much to them. I think it's sad that you only have Forza to look forward to every year.
I think 30fps are fine in most games, remember when people said you can't play racing games in 30fps? Since then Driveclub and Forza Horizon managed it perfectly and with a 4k TV, I'll certainly prefer the better graphics.
It's just that having the option for 60fps wouldn't be bad in some cases.
I think the article maybe misleading.
Someone asked if that would be an option and Insomniac replied they will optimise for the best experience. No option
In other words they are not saying they can't for some reason people blame the CPU for. They are just saying they won't. Maybe they want the game 30fps
If its not the CPU then what other reason could there be as i'm sure Insomniac know more about what they can do on the hardware that they have to work with far more than internet experts do
Probably the same reason they made R&C 30fps.
I'm no expert but I know there's always a choice/compromise to be made.
The news here is they will optimise for the experience they think the best and don't give the option for gamers to chose a different compromise.
No-one wants the game to run at 30fps. Gamer or developer.
Wasn't it Insomniac that said that all of their games would be 30FPS?
*checks the internet*
So it's not at 60fps because Insomniac is following through with their promise to not have a 60fps game again after the previous R&C game.
The PS4 Pro is heavily bottlenecked all over the place, not just the CPU. The machine was built to fit a price of $399, and even dropped UHD blu-ray drive.
If it wasn't so bottlenecked, other areas of the system could pick up the slack and give the CPU more time. That just isn't the case with PS4 Pro. It was always intended to be a modest upgrade over PS4 Slim, and use checkerboard rendering to fill the gap.
Insomniac don't bother with 60fps anymore.
Um, maybe they feel like 30 FPS makes for a more cinematic experience. Maybe, just maybe, it's the way they want to make their game. Just a thought.
Then just get a TV that makes the game a bit smoother although it won't fix it looking like a jaggie mess at 720p unless you love gaming on a 28" screen on your PS4 in 2018.
I game on a 28" asus monitor ... that's hooked up to my ps4pro. I don't have time for all that tv delay.
Tv's that interpolate frames introduce a lot of lag, i keep mine in game mode, or else it's a laggy mess. Lcd tv's are typically slower than plasma or crt to begin with, but it might be bearable in a single player game.
Well you see it's not actually running it at 4k which is why it can't do that. It's 1080p upscaled
They just love to call it 4k
Are you sure about that?
I actually agree with you and I also think it will happen to the XOX because of the weak laptop cpu in both consoles. True Native 4K 60fps is only in PC
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Well, to be fair, if they didn't "cheap out" on the cpu, most gamers would be complaining about how much the systems cost, and they wouldn't have a chance to sell units to many gamers. They compromised to make a profit....hard to blame them for that. If the xbox one x decided to go the ryzen route for the cpu, imagine what that system would cost....people are already moaning and wailing it's overpriced at 499.
Correct but then they decided to keep hyping people like the xb1x was a 700 dollar machine with true 4K, uncompressed pixesl and higher framerates....when they knew all they got was checkeredbaord 4K and 30 fps on 1st party games...
I don't disagree with you at all, but once the final specs for Scorpio were revealed, the writing was on the wall. This "true 4k" nonsense Microsoft keeps yammering on about is rubbish, it's just a shame many gamers cannot, or will not, see it for what it is.
Microsoft has a willingness to deceive their customers that is becoming legendary....from Milo, Kinect, clouds and "the power of multiple xbox one's in the cloud", dx12 improvements to console gaming, Titanfall could only be made with the cloud, drivatars, etc. etc. etc....they just can't seem to just speak plainly. They embellish everything to such a ridiculous degree, it gets tiresome. Some people fall for it and continue to believe. For these people, I guess they keep hoping that one of these times Microsoft will actually be telling the truth to them. They shouldn't hold their breath.
60fps should have been the standard this gen
I never understand that statement. Each gen games become more demanding. If games looked like ps1 games I could agree with you. But a PS4 game does not look like a ps1 and an ps6 game won't look like a PS4. Therefore, with each gen games become more demanding and will need gpu/cpu to match that demand. It has nothing to do with the particular gen.
frame rate is relative to the game. Personally I have no issue with 30 FPS. yes some games are great largely in part due to running in 60 FPS but so are plenty of games running 30 FPS. Some games it's imperative they run in 60 FPS while others, well, it doesn't matter because 30 FPS is absolutely great. Personally I can care less as long as the game looks great, runs smooth, plays fine and isn't riddled with bugs. Granted if the FPS dip too low we have an issue but 30, 60 really don't care I just want great experiences and games and both work great in their own right.
oof - 720p on a 4k tv would be brutal considering even 1080p is only half rez.
those who say they cheaped out on cpu choice what cpu should they have popped in then? they have to manufacture a mass market product and not just for a few. if the ps4 and x1 launched at £600 each sure they could have had better cpu in there but who will buy it?
this isn't some twitch competitive game, the only time 60fps is nice if you are doing some sorta pvp, otherwise i'd much rather have a cinematic 30fps and 4k or better graphics.
if you really must have 60fps on all games you might as well sell your consoles and spend 2-3x as much on a PC that you need to keep upgrading every year.
When it comes to SP games I really don't NEED 60 FPS but of course I would pick that over any resolution. Uncharted 4 felt super smooth for being 30fps in SP. I do trust the developer in this case so we will see.
I don't care at this point 1800p at 60fps would be great.
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1080p 60 fps minimum on $400 hardware,.. lol. PC's at twice that price can't assure that performance on ultra settings in all games.
When the Pro isn't doing much for 'exlusives' titles on PS4Pro. The standard PS4 is more attractive than ever.
'4K' using trickery and still only 30fps. No Incentive to get a Pro.
still, the game_play looked good at E3 2017. You won't care about the numbers once you start playing ;)
Pro will never have exclusives. Where have you been since the reveal?
don't play dumb lol
Exclusive games should be showing what Pro can do... Instead it just reminds you why you're better off with the base model.
let me spell it out for you.... 'Pro enhanced' exclusives games should justify a Pro purchase....
Spidey is pro enhanced.... but it shares 30fps with the base model.. It's a single_player game so it's not like you can blame a multi_player portion for parity.
@ Woolly: he isn't playing dumb, you are making no sense. Why did you put 'exclusive' between quotation marks?
You understand Spidey was playing on PS4-Pro at E3 this year, right? It's already upgraded. At minimum it's going to be 1440p CB on the Pro which is an update. Possibly 1800p if we're lucky. Not to mention HDR.
You're one to talk about 4K exclusive trickery wooly.
Microsoft was using exclusive trickery all over their E3 press conference. Now that's **trickery**
As for Spiderman, my guess is that Insomniac is going for detail and looks as some developers choices have been over 60fps. It's no different here. 30fps is fine when playing a game.
@Woolly_ How locked to 60fps would the game be at the most intense moments though? THAT is what a "60fps" game is. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Sound like a real ignorant, stealth trolling poster lol Horizon is an exclusive that shows what pro is capable of. So much so its out now and looks better than anything shown on Xbox X graphical wise during the whole conference.
Stop the nonsense your not fooling us :)
Why do you think its 1800 or even 1440? Do you guys care to read? They aren't using a (standard) CB either. Insomniac developed their own "temporal injection" on a 2160 frame buffer. Something like using motion data to extrapolate the missing pixels. They claim it looks better than CB at 4K and so far I don't doubt it.
And @Wolly. Go play a Pro and then go play the same game on the Slim. If you can't see the difference I recommend a visit at the eye doctor (or in your case, really get a slim, because it is really a waste for anything above).
He's not talking about games released exclusively for the Pro
It's actually native 4k using Temporal injection as it's rendering technique. So it's a 4k/30fps with 4k textures to boot!
I'll take that along with HDR and I'm fine! After playing Horizon at 4k w/HDR I'll never go back to standard PS4. The difference is truly transformative
@woolly let me spell it out for you pro was made for psvr and psvr only it's not a 4k box.
Yes it will have, sooner or later, when the new gen comes and will provide support for all ps4 games, but they won't provide support for too old console, 6 year console life is more than enough, i don't see a reason they would change the ps5 architecture, they will just put there better cpu and gpu, same software architecture, so it will be as writing a ps4 game, but ps5 will have much more power.
But to use that power fully you can't be restrained to supporting 6 years old console, so i see this in a way that they will be lifting the rule that any game needs to run on both consoles, yeah both, but in a 6 years cycle, so if we see a new ps5 6 years after og ps4, then the og ps4 as the weakest must not force game technical choices any more.
Of course it would be not forced, any company could still make og ps4 games, but there shouldn't be at that point any rule that will be forcing to release game on it if it is on ps4pro and ps5, cuz it will stop the progress on the latest most powerful model and prevent to use it fully, we all see that even now with ps4 and pro.
And in another 3 years we get ps5pro, so we shifting again, ps5 and ps5pro must get the same games, but og ps4 and ps4pro is optional, cuz again at that time ps4pro will be a 6 years old console.
Ignore Woolly, he is a Xboxfanboy in the flesh, and a stealthtroller.
We won't care about numbers once we start playing, he said. But still mentioned numbers...
For one to believe the Pro would take a 30fps title and somehow magically achieve 60fps with the exact same, albeit an overclocked CPU, must truly be among the dumb.
We were promised consistent framerates and much higher resolution, and that's exactly what we've got with the Pro.
The same type of people who think a game that runs [email protected][email protected]
Some people have no idea how all this tech works and therefor get some really weird expectations....
Boost mode really did fix a lot of problems. I've played many to test. Patched games have been hit or miss but generally adds details I appreciate. Not to mention Pro is faster and the 1tb feels never ending compared to the stock 500gb PS4. I was against the idea of a mid cycle upgrade at first but I've come to see it's worth it.
The Pro isn't doing much for games (or exclusives)? What's that for nonsensical stuff?
And how on earth would the standard PS4 be more attractive?
It's hilarious that someone who is all over the One X articles being all happy about the same darn trickery at 30fps is now spouting this nonsense here!
For some people the Slim will be more attractive because of the price. Others will opt for the Pro. I don't see the problem.
Yes, but that's not what Woolly means, he's clearly trying to downplay the performance gains of the Pro over the regular model...
"When the Pro isn't doing much for 'exlusives' titles on PS4Pro..."
there are no exclusive titles for the Pro...
He is saying The PS4 Pro's upgrades aren't worth it because first party titles aren't showing full benefits! That's what I understood from his statement. Now do I agree with it? Nope because HDR, with higher resolutions and unlocked frame rates or more stable performances ARE tangible upgrades and incentives for purchasing any console. And Spider-Man looks incredible!
Secondly to what you are stating, that's incorrect! The PS4 Pro, is a PS4. Therefor all software from first party is exclusive. The PS4 Pro has Exclusives
lol....this isn't some racing game.
But your lovely XboneX also use 4k trickery in some games, especially games with whom MS has marketing deals.
Yup, both the PS4 base and Xbox one base are much more attractive than ever. After all, both consoles don't really achieve 4k on most of their games right?
You mean, like AC Worldpremier...which releases in October on PS4? (oops, wrong comment, eh...doesn't really matter anyhow).
No, but you'd need to try and see wipeout omega on ps4 pro, it's pretty incredible.