As Sony continues to prevent cross play between all platforms, Gaz from Gameondaily argues that this is NOT "for the players".
Sky misstep in regards to their comments comments from Sony for me but it seems people forgot to put up a link to the article they wrote about Microsoft saying no to the concept last gen. Always interesting. Maybe there's bad blood between the 2
Ms are now in a weaker position so they have to adopt a more gamer friendly ethos to gain points and repair the damage. Total turnaround from gen start but that's what happens when you're the chaser, you have to do more.
I hope Sony soften their stance and resolve their issues with Microsoft but I feel this is being blown out of proportion as always when one has and the other doesn't. I also never remembered a groundswell of comments wanting this before it happened BUT I'd welcome it . . C'mon Sony, be a part of a new beginning.
Well Sony need to reconcile their "For the Players" motto here with the reality of their policy on cross play. This is the situation NOW and it will only benefit gamers.
PSN has also improved drastically from last gen, where it really didn't cut it imo. Now everyone is ready to play ball except Sony and it's sad to see that rocket league devs practically begging for it to get the green light from it.
Jim Ryan did say that their policy isn't set in stone so I hope they change their stance like Microsoft did (for whatever reason).
Cross play IS for the players and it is a big deal. It would have a massive impact for me and my mates and I imagine for the rest of the gaming community. If it becomes industry standard, we would no longer be divided.
The Titanfall 2 example in the article is just one of the benefits of this. No one should reject this. Everyone should support it.
PSN is stronger that ever , why in hell Sony undermine its own service and agree for bowed deals to MS ? just for some vocal players in US only that serve MSs agenda , ....
MS is suspiciously eager to connect the millions PSN players with their lame service ....in Minecraft they even oblige players to make Xbox LIVe account to crossplay!....obviously there are HUGE benefits for MS there while there is none to Sony (even X LIVE service will dramatclly undermine the PSN ...Why the FCK a company would agree to this while they have the hugely superior in numbers install base that is supporting them by default ?? only some retards in busness would made such a moves ...or companies like Nintendo which have a non existant online service ....
As i said before nobody from PS side cares about crossplay....in my european country Xbox owners are nearly 0 (and the same goes for many other european countries ) People except US dont fing care...now lets go over Japan to see if they care hehe.
"PSN is stronger that ever , why in hell Sony undermine its own service and agree for bowed deals to MS ? just for some vocal players in US only that serve MSs agenda , .... "
Now from the article,
"Sony has now adopted a stance that only the most diehard of its followers can defend."
Right on cue.
"MS is suspiciously eager to connect the millions PSN players with their lame service ....in Minecraft they even oblige players to make Xbox LIVe account to crossplay!....obviously there are HUGE benefits for MS there while there is none to Sony (even X LIVE service will dramatclly undermine the PSN ...Why the FCK a company would agree to this while they have the hugely superior in numbers install base that is supporting them by default ?? only some retards in busness would made such a moves ...or companies like Nintendo which have a non existant online service ...."
Spoken like the diehard fans this article mentioned earlier, all while ignoring the article and the desire from developers point of view. You know, the developers who make money for those consoles and those same developers you already support!
"As i said before nobody from PS side cares about crossplay....in my european country Xbox owners are nearly 0 (and the same goes for many other european countries ) People except US dont fing care...now lets go over Japan to see if they care hehe."
Sure buddy, like you know.
Seems like you guys thought it was a pretty good idea last gen and a bullet point, what changed?
"As i said before nobody from PS side cares about crossplay....in my european country Xbox owners are nearly 0"
Your situation isn't the same for everyone. Saying "nobody from PS side cares about crossplay" seems pretty disingenuous. Dunno which country you're living in but people here game on all different platforms.
".in Minecraft they even oblige players to make Xbox LIVe account to crossplay!.."
Minecraft is OWNED by Microsoft. This shouldn't come as a massive shock to you.
What about rocket league?
Does it matter what the reason Sony has for preventing it?
I'm sure we can use our imagination and conjure reasons for why Nintendo, Xbox, PC and Valve should not, but we don't. We only do it for Sony. Well at least some of you fanboys are.
The pressure ain't stop. Just enjoy the ride ;)
Sounds like all ya friends have Ps4s septic. Maybe you should stop being the odd 1 out amongst your friends
They don't need to do anything. Their network policies are fine, they have tens of millions playing online happily. They don't need to play nice with anyone except the developers/publishers on their platform that made games specifically for their network.
Your not bothered by this cross play thing, Sony are doing something slightly not to everyone's pleasing and your desperate to jump on it and use it as ammunition. You and Moldy are part of the Phil Spencer brigade and have been dying to get into articles that show Sony in a bad light. Whatever the article it's a negative comment from you two against Sony except every now and then when you throw a curveball comment in to try and convince noobs your neutral.
I want to believe your passionate about this issue but both of you have a comments history which show it's more of a destraction from any bad press Ms may be getting.
Why don't you worry about Ms poor platform support before worrying about playing against other players from other formats.
Wow I swear Septic and Moldybread are on Microsofts payroll as shills.
You have both commented on every single article about this subject.
Now you two are starting to forget Ps4 allowed cross play with Pc and PS3.
Then you are attacking them saying its not "for the players?"
Wow. Guerilla Fanboy Marketing at its finest. Hey heres a concept, if friends want to play online together get the same console! Been that way for what 10 years?
I feel like you two will start attacking Sony next week for not releasing Uncharted on Xbox...
excuse: but, but, minecraft is on ps4! They are not for the players!
"in my european country Xbox owners are nearly 0 "
Must be cool living in the Vatican City
Sony has policiesabout its network. It is not yours, it is not Microsoft. As a third party developer, they need to be compliant like everyone else. They don't get special private and this is a fabricated story. Microsoft is a software giant. Make it work.
@Septic - I love how every issue to you seems to be bigger than Microsoft going multi-platform.
Remember when you thought Microsoft was never going to put all of their major games on PC?
Funny, but no by all means millions of Gamers not noticing another portion of millions of Gamers playing with each other is a bigger deal /s
I'm not even sure it's even feasible for anyone to even notice such a thing playing a multiplayer game.
I wonder if Septic and Moldy commented in the article about Phil Spencer and the uncertainty of single player games, being as they were so quick to comment on another one of these articles. It would seem a lack of single player games would have a much larger impact than the lack of cross play between a few games.
I find it funny people try to use this to denounce the "for the players" mantra when Sony secures a bunch of games, all different types, "for the players". Sony has an obligation to THEIR player base, where they are doing a damn good job (obviuosly cant please them all). Cross play would be nice, but lets be real, having it would not grant any mass benefits just like not having it would have any mass disadvantages. Especially since there most likely wouldnt be partying up across platforms. There is no shortage of players so its moot. Its also obvious it would be more advantageous to Xbox and Nintendo gamers to have access to a much larger pool of players that have PS4s. But thats not Sonys concern, and shouldnt be. They are not obligated to Xbox and Nintendo.
Why does everyone forget 360 had cross play with pc?
FF11, shadowrun (game was trash imo )
Funny how this new breed of Xbox fanboys cares more about Sony's crossplay than they do about their lack of exclusives. Sony does in one year more for the players than Microsoft did in the past 5 years.
Nobody cares what happened last gen. Because Sony sold an overpriced console and told you to get a second job, and belittled their competitors doesn't mean they do it now (well they actually still do a little of that).
The fact that Sony is not doing it now, and Xbox/Nintendo is shows they are here #4thegamers. Sony isn't, but then you got all these corporate apologists coming out of the woodwork defending Sony. That is when you know who the fanboy is. Quite simply #not4xcrossplayisfanboy.
one of the earliest and best bluray players was not overpriced. I dont see why this is an issue, i couldnt care less if im playing against xbox live members or not. The majority of my xbox live experience was full of racist idiots,whining, children screaming, ridiculously loud unintelligible music, etc. Maybe i just have poor luck and found matchmaking through various genres of games with the hopefully bottom of the barrel, but thats just my experience. Psn is good enough for me.
What is the real benefit here? Psn has a giant install base, they dont really need to give in to this cross play business now. People are still buying their console where the best version of games are, where the largest install base is, and where they get the best and most varied 1st party games.
Its a smart business move to try to get crossplay with the biggest and baddest on the block. Most ps3 and ps4 owners dont care if we cant play with everyone else. Just buy a ps4 you'll be doing yourself a favor.
You can tell a fanboy by how hard they misquote.
The ps3 had more games and futures Microsoft charged you for on top of a console with a failure rate higher than 50 percent. I mean you even made excuses for their final 3rd falloff.
They tried to dictate what gamers wanted this gen and will probably finish last this gen. Where are your games. .
Just saying in response to the madness I'm reading.
"Because Sony sold an overpriced console..."
How hypocritical of you, considering MS is about to launch a 500.00 mid-gen refresh (PS3 had a 500.00 sku too at launch).
Lets use the cheaper models: https://o.aolcdn.com/images...
And that is only comparing one year of Live.
Not having one feature that people feel they are entitled to does not make them not for the players. Sony is making some of the best game this gen. They are supporting their console. They are bringing games.
The key part of "players" is that they have to play something. There is no lack of things to play on PS, quite a bit of it from Sony themselves.
I see the same old ppl harping on about this, dont you have games to play or something lol?
The same haters of all things Sony liking like they know what's best for a company lol. Why don't you go complain to M$ about the lack of 1st party exclusives generation in, generation out.
.....but but but but Minecrafffttt is on ps4, why can't Uncharted come to xbox!?!?
Sony is not for the players!?
^ this will be the attack on Sony next week.
You are 100% spot on lol. I've been gaming from late 70s, early. 80s and to me gaming has gotten much worst year after year after year.
It feels like some of these Sony haters must have started gaming when xbox was created, or its some american patriotic thing because ive nvr seen so much defending of a company who has shafted us gamers time after time.
Man i miss the OG xbox good times.
Youre only making yourself look much worse man. Youre better off not sayi g anything. You ddfending sony with your life and hating on ms about stuff thats irrelevant. I dont care that much about crossplay nor am i a minrcraft fan but i know many are and its a gamer friendly thing to do. Instead of you understanding this and saying nothing or saying something like "ya sony is wrong but i can understand why they wont allow it" you trash gamers and ms about stuff that happen a while gen ago under different management lol. You say gaming has gotten worst, than stick to your snes while the rest of us joy new experiences and never before ways of gaming. All this defense over gamers and friends wanting to play with eachother?
You diehard sony fanboys are seriously exposing yourself here.
Ok buddy whatever you say, we all want new experiences but why can't PS gamers log into a independent servers to play with "other players"?
If I wanted to have an live acct (which i do) i would rebuy an X1 back.
It's funny that Xbox gamers think that Xbox division has control over minecraft. MS didn't spend billions of dollars to allow that division control over it. Plus, the deal required the game stay multi-plat, and given the nature of the game, it makes sense to keep it multi-plat, because MS wants a return on their investment as soon as possible.
As soon as people dont have to create an xbox live account..but they probably still wont because xbox could just change there mind and be like "you know need to create an xbox live account tied to your psn" then sony is scrwed because of a microsoft dirty move. Yea I wouldnt risk it.
Eughhh Gameondaily... I promised myself I would never go to that site again after the complete crap i read last time good job i noticed before i clicked
LOL. The same people always crying wolf why in the world would Sony give MS access to their player base and data. MS wants PS players to create a live account in order for cross play, MS always has an angle yet some of you seem to think Sony should just allow MS to do what they want because it benefits MS. Nintendo has also agreed to cross play because they need all the support they can muster. Sony has no need for it and it's not like the Sony's fanbase is clamoring for it either just a vocal minority making a lot of noise and like always the usual fanboys run with it because it fits their narrative.
Stop with this BS. CrossPlataform is good for everyone but Sony will never allow PS login on XB Live. MS is not being friendly with gamers, they are being attractive to their investors too. Maybe XB users should be asking MS to let them login on PSN instead.
Yep, I'm sure Sony will agree to Xbox users creating a PSN account and needing you to login to use cross-play.
But am also sure MS would not like that idea...
You keep saying this and everyone keeps drawing your attention to rocket league not requiring signing into Xbox Live.
I have to say that it is absolutely a great feeling to watch so many XBox fans beg Sony for features that the PlayStation community itself haven't been asking Sony for. Keep the begging going, guys, and hopefully, it will never occur to any of that if you want to play with PS4 players that you'll need to get a PS4 (outside of the few crossplay titles with PC).
Features on PlayStation platforms that XBox fans on here have mocked:
BC on the PS3
BluRay player on the PS3
Free online on the PS3
Dedicated servers on PS3
PlayStation Move on PS3
SharePlay on PS4 (hoping it would fail, even had articles counting the number companies opting out and celebrated that)
Remote Play with PS3/PS4 and PSVita
Exclusives on PS Platforms
Remasters and Remakes on PS platforms
You can't spend all of this time bashing/downplaying so many different features for 2 generations and then pretend that you're more "For the Players" than anybody else suddenly.
"Well if you told me you were drowning, I would not lend a hand
I've seen your face before my friend,
Well I was there and I saw what you did,
So you can wipe off that grin, I know where you've been
It's all been a pack of lies" --Phil Collins
Outside of PC, PlayStation has the biggest pool of players to play with, and the most diverse games set of games (exclusives and otherwise) and take the most risks. You want in on that, you know what to do.
"You keep saying this and everyone keeps drawing your attention to rocket league not requiring signing into Xbox Live."
The amount of disagrees you get over common sense shows part of the fanbase is hellbent on not caring about anyones opinion regardless of facts presented in fron of them.
Things people think aren't facts, they are just opinions or theories. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes and am sure it's not so black and white as many of you MS fans seem to believe...
I would like to ask Septic and Moldy, or any other supporter of cross play a question. Since PSN and XBL are different platforms, its safe to assume party chat and the like will not be possible, meaning you wont be able to manually link up and communicate with people friends other platforms. So, with that said, whats the point of cross play? Legit question. If matchmaking randomly puts tou with a bunch of players, what difference does it make what platform they are on? Whats the benefits? More people to play with? Is that really an issue you run into?
Right because MS doesn't always have an angle that it wouldn't benefit from we don't know all the details of why Sony choose not to allow cross play but I know MS history and IMO it was wise of Sony to just say no and just keep their player base separate it's not like PS fans are the ones pushing for this feature.
"I would like to ask Septic and Moldy, or any other supporter of cross play a question. Since PSN and XBL are different platforms, its safe to assume party chat and the like will not be possible, meaning you wont be able to manually link up and communicate with people friends other platforms. So, with that said, whats the point of cross play? Legit question. If matchmaking randomly puts tou with a bunch of players, what difference does it make what platform they are on? Whats the benefits? More people to play with? Is that really an issue you run into?"
How does it work with PC and PS4 players? It would be the same thing.
It's amazing how all of the sudden you guys think this is a bad direction, where was this attitude when PC/PS4 crossplay happened? It's one thing for a company to come up with excuses and lean on it's all about stakeholders but why are you guys acting that way, it really is pathetic.
You guys thought it was a bullet point years ago, what happened?
No such thing is needed for Rocket League so what are you on about?
You sure about that? What I mean is, it could be that somehow on Xbox there's more data needed from the other players to make it work, data which Sony might not like to share with Xbox. If the implementation is different, no matter if it needs XBL or not, in such a way that Sony doesn't like it, why is it so bad they say "no" to it?
If MS really, really wants this to happen they will then change their terms and conditions to make Sony happy.
It's nice to speculate and all, but where two fight, two are at fault, same goes here, the truth is probably somewhere in between.
I'm really sure about it
"You sure about that? What I mean is, it could be that somehow on Xbox there's more data needed from the other players to make it work, data which Sony might not like to share with Xbox. If the implementation is different, no matter if it needs XBL or not, in such a way that Sony doesn't like it, why is it so bad they say "no" to it?"
The onus is on YOU to provide where you are getting this from. The makers of Rocket League already countered that silly argument you guys keep going with. They already said data is not shared, but you guys ignore that too and come up with other excuses. It is about Sony, NOBODY ELSE. Its absurd the amount of mental gymnastics you guys will go through to deflect the situation. Sony refuses to even answer why they won't allow it when the makers of Rocket League have asked repeatedly. The only thing we know for why is this from Jim Ryan,
"Unfortunately it's a commercial discussion between ourselves and other stakeholders, and I'm not going to get into the detail of that on this particular instance."
So why are you so unwilling to just admit Sony is at fault here?
"It's nice to speculate and all, but where two fight, two are at fault, same goes here, the truth is probably somewhere in between."
Sure, keep going with that while common sense continues to leave you behind. Lets just ignore the developers and keep the focus on Microsoft, its what you guys do best.
You ignored that the RL dev also said he had no idea what concerns Sony may have, or what details would have to be worked out, even when I spelled them out in more detail as potential problems.
Not really right to sit around acting like you are right and others are wrong when you are just as bad at considering other sides.
I'd say the Onus is on you to prove that MS terms are completely reasonable and they have no hand in why Sony is not on board with making this a thing.
Every statement from Sony states they are open to the idea. So, how come when MS says it they are praise, but when Sony says it they are condemned, despite the fact Sony has had cross play since the PS2 days, and has many more cross play games than MS does.
So, why are you so unwilling to admit that it is likely an issue between the two console makers, and potentially not just Sony being dickheads?
Believe I've asked you this a few times before.
You don't have to reply. I already know your answer. You know your right, the rest of us know your wrong.
yea log on with PSN. WHy you know 4 the players xbox?!?! Btw I still probably wouldnt do it because xbox could just change their mind or do something sneaky like tie it to an xbox account. Sony does NOT want that and I think I wouldnt want that as a gamer. My psn account is my psn account, not xbox!
Also what if on pc games they wouldnt allow psn tied accounts to play on pc so you had to make another one. I dont trust Microsoft like that
@Shadowlee Reaching...pfttt you obviously have not observed what Microsoft as a company has been doing for years...it is HIGHLY possible they would do something like that. Dont shill on me bro
Many people saw stake holders and immediately assumed it meant share holders.
Shows a complete lack of understanding of the business side of things.
Stake holders would be those who are responsible for the feature, as well as the those who would use the feature. Or in simpler terms, the console makers and developers/publishers.
Sony wouldn't need to talk to share holders about this, nor would they release this information to them. Sony is the sole share holder of Sony Interactive Entertainment. SIE has no reason to keep this info between them and Sony itself. Sony as a company doesn't make decisions about what features to have or prevent on this kind of level outside of whatever corporate direction may be in place....such as BluRay to help it's adoption.
Having cross play or not would be such a minimal impact, if any on overall revenues and profits, so it's dumb to act like this is Sony answering to investors, or that they are trying to make more money by preventing it. It defies logic, and I doubt anyone here can really state how Sony is losing or making money either way in relation to this feature. Sure, maybe some minor anecdotal assumptions, but nothing major they'd have to answer to share holders for.
The actual quote was ".... OTHER stakeholders...." not other shareholders!
There is a difference! Because MS is one of the other stakeholders in this whole picture for instance............
People love to blame Sony for things while misinterpreting stuff..
"The actual quote was ".... OTHER stakeholders...." not other shareholders! "
Who mentioned shareholders?
That's some massive spin right there. The decision is Sony's alone. Of course Sony should be blamed here. What are you on about?
This article clearly misinterpreted it since they are mentioning investors.
We don't know to what Sony said 'no', we really don't. When MS came out and said "we found a way to make cross-play possible" it was pretty darn clear they created something that made it possible. That something probably involves other parties to log into XBL so all consoles see one big network instead of different ones. This sounds like a great idea but it also means Sony would need to give up their customer's info and worse, their usage data since that will then be shared with XBL as well.
Sony is not opposed to cross-play, it's silly to keep saying that, they do not want to apparently with Xbox, but is that because of their own reasons or because MS has certain terms and conditions like every user has to log in to XBL? We don't know.
So when Sony is still in talks with the OTHER STAKEHOLDERS they can absolutely mean MS and are trying to find a way which is also workable for Sony, not just MS.
I don't think it's correct to just blame Sony for this.
Let's say I'm right, that it comes with terms and conditions from MS, is it then okay to put all the blame on Sony for not agreeing to it?
Of course when it turns out I'm totally wrong and MS never wanted PS4 users to log in to XBL, only Nintendo users have to do such things, then yes, Sony is keeping things from their users for one simple reason: that they don't want people to have free choice of which console they buy since they can play with their friends anyways.
Honestly I think it's both....
"We don't know to what Sony said 'no', we really don't"
Eh? Yes they have. Quite clearly.
"That something probably involves other parties to log into XBL so all consoles see one big network instead of different ones. "
Thsts false. Read the article. Read what Rocket Leagues dev said:
"We run our own matchmaking. None of the platforms are aware of what’s going on in the other’s ecosystem. We control all that"
So hopefully brings an end to you thinking that. So yes you're wrong .
"Of course when it turns out I'm totally wrong and MS never wanted PS4 users to log in to XBL, only Nintendo users have to do such things, then yes, Sony is keeping things from their users for one simple reason: that they don't want people to have free choice of which console they buy since they can play with their friends anyways. "
Thsts ridiculous. So if it's Sony's fault it's not their fault because people should all play on the same console anyway. I'm sorry but your defence is just completely weak and out of touch with reality.
"Eh? Yes they have. Quite clearly."
No, we really do not. Were you there when MS asked Sony to be a part of this and if there were any terms and conditions? No? Then you don't know what they said "no" to... Pretty darn simple!
I don't know if I'm 100% right, neither do you, that's the thing, we do not know! Rocket League on Xbox can still have terms and conditions attached, maybe not logging into XBL but something else. Remove the blinders, the world isn't just black and white!
If you think MS says "we've made something so we can do cross-play!" doesn't come with terms and conditions then you're pretty naive...
I also find it utterly fascinating that, as always is the case, that fanboys from the other console are always way more vocal about anything than can be explained as a negative! They are also always the ones that can't come up with alternate reasons for why things happen.
"Who mentioned shareholders?"
um... you have "4 the shareholders" right in the thumbnail picture for your article... just sayin'...
edit: you also have this quote in your article: "you can’t claim to be “for the players” and then shaft them because of concerns for your investors."
Why are you so adamant that Sony should allow cross play? Specially when their own fans aren't the one's asking for it, much like BC I feel some of you are just using it as an excuse to talk smack get over it many PS fans just don't care about it.
"Were you there when MS asked Sony to be a part of this and if there were any terms and conditions? No? Then you don't know what they said "no" to... Pretty darn simple! "
Are you actually being serious now? Really? I have to be there despite what the devs are saying? Despite what Jim Ryan has said? Despite the fact that other platforms will support x play?
"I also find it utterly fascinating that, as always is the case, that fanboys from the other console are always way more vocal about anything than can be explained as a negative! "
Absolutely ridiculous. Chuck the fanboy label at me but you need to look in the mirror and take a good long hard look at yourself. Anyway, it's clear that there is no hope in drumming sense into you. Carry on as you were. That picture of the person with their head in the sand; just how perfectly that applies here...
Sony offered it last generation, MS declined because they had comfortable sales. It didn't ruin anyone's gaming experience.
MS wants it this generation, Sony declined because they don't need it with the more than 2:1 sales lead. It won't ruin anyone's gaming experience.
How exactly do sales relate to cross play? It makes no sense that sales have anything to do with this. Minecraft is already being played on all systems. Each platform already has access for online. Microsoft is offering to tie all of these players together to create and share. There might be a valid reason Sony is saying no. Sales arent it though. My guess is they don't want to take any risk after what happened a few years back when PSN was compromised. They are allowed to say no. Fans saying it's sales and Sony saying they don't want their customers exposed to other players are both really bad excuses and sound ridiculous.
I don't know why you bother arguing with them. It's pointless. As a matter a fact I would say Xbox and Nintendo fans should just stop replying to Sony fans on this website and leave them alone. We should find an alternative less toxic site. If the Sony fans are just angry about what happened last gen they need to let it go and stop being petty. Sony is clearly wrong and you're not going to convince their diehard fans otherwise.
What devs have said? I've read those things, and I saw what was said. Those blaming Sony seem to not be able to actually see what was said.
Chess guy: small time dev with no clue about how to get it going between two platforms.
Rocket League dev, to paraphrase, "I have no clue what would be required to make this happen, or what concerns Sony would have to address to make it a reality" In addition, "I made a solution which has not gone through compliance testing, and I have no way of knowing if it's secure and suitable for both networks because the cross play between PS and PC was made possible with a PlayStation API provided by Sony". Ok, he didn't say this, but thought I'd throw it in there.
Tekken 7 Dev: To paraphrase, "It's a secuity issue and likely won't be solved any time soon"
Minecraft: No dev I'm aware of, but the XBL thing is a thing that no one would expect Sony to support.
Jim Ryan: To paraphrase and reframe to show what he's actually saying(once again): We can not control the moderation of people on other networks. Used a silly example, but that's what the example was alluding to.
We chuck the fan boy label at you because you fail to even consider anything but what you want to believe. No other possibility is even acceptable to you.
"This article clearly misinterpreted it since they are mentioning investors."
This is what Jim Ryan said while they refuse to actually tell developers why,,
"Unfortunately it's a commercial discussion between ourselves and other stakeholders, and I'm not going to get into the detail of that on this particular instance."
But yet you want to carry on passing the blame around.
"We don't know to what Sony said 'no', we really don't. When MS came out and said "we found a way to make cross-play possible" it was pretty darn clear they created something that made it possible."
The makers of Rocket League found a way, which you purposely keep ignoring.
"That something probably involves other parties to log into XBL so all consoles see one big network instead of different ones. This sounds like a great idea but it also means Sony would need to give up their customer's info and worse, their usage data since that will then be shared with XBL as well."
The makers of Rocket League already clarified that isn't the case but again you want to ignore that and carry on blaming everyone.
"Sony is not opposed to cross-play, it's silly to keep saying that, they do not want to apparently with Xbox, but is that because of their own reasons or because MS has certain terms and conditions like every user has to log in to XBL? We don't know."
Yes they are, with consoles. They say they don't have a stance against it but actions speak louder than words. Pure Ches is another example, something not even about the Xbox. Another game you guys want to ignore.
"So when Sony is still in talks with the OTHER STAKEHOLDERS they can absolutely mean MS and are trying to find a way which is also workable for Sony, not just MS."
Like I said, actions speak louder than words. The people from Rocket League have been asking for over a year ans they still wont explain themselves, thats poor communication and you going on in their defense is just absurd.
"I don't think it's correct to just blame Sony for this."
Well when the facts are out there and Sony refuses to give any more details then that is what everyone but diehard Sony fans will do. It's called common sense.
"Let's say I'm right, that it comes with terms and conditions from MS, is it then okay to put all the blame on Sony for not agreeing to it? "
But you're not right. The burden was on Sony and when pressed they gave crappy reasonings and you guys want even more leeway? Get lost.
"Honestly I think it's both...."
Of course, it's what you want to beleive because you are so embedded with protecting a faceless company, not sure why.
stakeholders. . .singular or plural. . . .
Guess time will tell all. . Until then. . Continue
"ourselves" = Sony
"other stakeholders" = not Sony
Seems pretty clear to me...
But hey, go on hating on Sony for absolutely no reason at all, you don't even have a stake in this, you don't own a current gen console, you just like to stir the pot...
"Seems pretty clear to me..."
That's because you want to believe they aren't the problem even though it's not clear to the makers of Rocket League as they are still not sure why Sony is not allowing crossplay with their game. Why is it clear to you and not to them?
"But hey, go on hating on Sony for absolutely no reason at all, you don't even have a stake in this, you don't own a current gen console, you just like to stir the pot..."
We ALL have a stake in it, what you should be asking yourself is why you keep trying to defend their actions. Maybe you should sit back and think as a consumer and how allowing crossplay hurts you in any way instead of going to the forums trying to put out flames for them. All you have shown thus far is you don't like the negative attention its getting, that's it.
Hey, I can't help it that I can see more sides to any story and others can't.
I agree tho that it would be nice for consumers to have cross play, I just believe it's not as simple as you Xbox defenders think. Stuff usually is not just black and white.
And you should ask yourself why you keep praising anything Xbox and hating Sony. Everyone here knows what you are. No clue why you even keep trying.
No one cares....
You guys are basically spending a lot of time trying your damnedest to demonize this company for them not allowing this when you guys have never wasted much time equally praising them for doing it for many other games.
You guys don't care about this feature you just care about pretending it's the biggest deal in the world.
I don't see multiple post from you guys essentially talking about missing games from Microsoft.
I don't see all these long post talking about Microsoft going multi-platform.
I don't even see many post regarding this company cancelling games
I don't even see any post from you guys about Microsoft essentially not even creating any new Triple-A IP's near Halo or Gears of War but you're telling me the biggest deal this generation is Sony for a a few games is not allowing cross-play despite allowing it for multiple other games?
So cross-play is a bigger deal then actual missing games in multiple Studios close down?
GTFO with that load of BS.
Trust me I'd rather have an absolute laundry list of actual real exclusives that could only be found on the one applied form then worry about playing with another Community it is something that rarely happens mind you it is something that I've barely even cared about the games that have supported it like Street Fighter 5.
When I play Battlefield do you think that I'm playing with 100,000 people at a time? No one is going to be able to discern the difference between playing with 100,000 or even a million in regards to a community it is something that might be immeasurable to the actual player.
But dear God this is the thing that you're saying is the biggest deal ever? Yet the majority of you guys are absolutely silent on actual games being gone? You guys built up entire list years ago of games that we're going to rock yet the vast majority of that list is gone because those games were cancelled and then the other half went multi-platform.
But... Cross-play being gone from two or three games is the biggest deal ever vs less games being exclusive? 😂😂😂