Microsoft's Mike Ybarra said that the Xbox One X could have been priced lower with some compromises, but then it wouldn't have been able to usher in true 4K gaming in the living room.
They aren't even ushering true 4k at 500$ so what's the point??
Right? I'll just leave this Albert Penello quote from last year :)
“I think there are a lot of caveats they’re giving customers right now around 4K. They’re talking about checkerboard rendering and up-scaling and things like that. There are just a lot of asterisks in their marketing around 4K, which is interesting because when we thought about what spec we wanted for Scorpio, we were very clear we wanted developers to take their Xbox One engines and render them in native, true 4K. That was why we picked the number, that’s why we have the memory bandwidth we have, that’s why we have the teraflops we have, because it’s what we heard from game developers was required to achieve native 4K.”
Doesn't matter. their fanboys will defend them no matter what. Flat out lied to and they still see MS as doing no wrong.
Developers can choose to do native 4K, the box Is completely CAPABLE of that. They never said they were going to ENFORCE 4K on every game. Developers can still choose to target 1080p like the ARK devs.
I'm with you Zeref, the 1X is True 4K, because any dev who CHOOSES to make their game Native 4K can. The power to take any 900 to 1080p XB1 game up to Native 4K is there, it is therefore Native 4K Capable on real games, not just sports and last gen remasters. And Destiny 2, with it's 💩 graphics and parity.
The morons who represent the popular vote on this site are a bunch of pretentious babies who have to put others down for not liking what they do. It's sad, really.
"the 1X is True 4K, because any dev who CHOOSES to make their game Native 4K can"
So...that makes the Pro a true 4K console too, right? or is it still not one like you guys were saying from the beginning? last time I check, there are native 4K games on the Pro too because the devs chose to make them 4K
@Zeref Using that logic, the same applies to the Pro. Any dev could make any amount of concessions in any game to guarantee it ran at native 4k. It might not look as good, or run as smooth, but at least it would be 4k, and that WOULD be the developers discretion. The problem is, that's already how it works now with all consoles. Developers make their game with the resolution, frame rate, and imagine quality that they (or their publishers) want. And no, Scorpio is not capable of native 4k on every game, at least not without aforementioned concessions. That's why you see them already talking about games using checkerboard rendering. Notice how Penello was explicitly using the word "native" in that quote? And taking shots as sony for not being able to get "native" on the Pro. Compare that to now where the word is rarely ever used by MS, but has been substituted with "True 4k". Why do you think that is? It could be, and the evidence seems to support this, that many of the games are not able to achieve 4k without checkerboard rendering.
@Commentator I don't care what you like. I hope you buy and enjoy whatever your heart desires. My problem comes with lies and misinformation. It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine. Sure, my time could be much better spent doing things other than correcting deceptions and fabrications, but I can't help it.
MS doesn't need the asterix for their marketing. It's pretty safe to assume that anything that comes out of their mouth is already astreixed by MS being included in the same sentence.
@zeref & Commentator
So the AC Origins devs just DECIDED THAT DYNAMIC 4K IS BETTER THAN NATIVE? No, they chose dynamic 4K bc the xboneX isn't powerful enough to render their game in native 4K without making comprises. Microsoft is mandating 1st party games run at native 4K which means that some games will make comprises in order to achieve that. It's actually a detriment that they mandate native 4K, they should just let devs decide what woukld be the best option.
Thank you for the laugh!
septic what do you think about this?
you will never be taken seriously with poop emojis.
find something else.
Brother dearest, apparently I beat you and your dead with your girl Mavis btw. Why are you annoying the forums? Off topic and questioning somebody.
Considering not everyone has a 4K TV...what's the point on Sony or Microsoft focusing on 4K
I'd rather see them focus on the 1080/60fps so it's the standard for next gen regardless of the game or genre.
Not everyone has a Lamborghini so I suppose they should stop making those too and focus on a 4 cylinder car..
Stop trying to hold back the ppl that are full on ready for 4K...
@Xb1PS4, Well he did say "focus". I don't think he was calling for an end to anything 4K in console gaming.
But I'm guessing the context of your reply was E3. in which case I agree with you. E3 is a showcase for the enthusiasts, not the casuals. When you look at how the Pro (no examples of scorpio yet) is being marketed, it's like an after thought as the focus is on the base PS4. the enthusiasts already know about the Pro, and that's the Pro's audience. So yeah conferences and conventions are the places where we should be hearing about things like the X1X and the Pro with their 4K this and that.
@xb1 Dude, delete your account. That was the most retarded analogy ever made in life.
Developers will be held back more which means people who are ready are held back regardless
Cars aren't like that... 🙄
How is it retarded dumb ass.... what the price differences?! If you can't afford it you simply can't afford it, just because you can't afford it does not mean that a lot of ppl can't. if we kept that mentality then we probably wouldnt be chatting online or have internet access cause we'd be waiting for the rest of the world to catch up..
I understand he said focus... and imo this 60fps fiasco needs to stop... when a game truly needs 60fps it happens, I don't care for 60fps in a single player games.. I want focus on 4K this why I have a pro and this is why I will own xbx I want graphics because imo Sony and ms dropped the ball this gen in that dept. we had an extremely long gen last gen, pro and Xbx is what we should have got this gen o start with.. regardless of how many 4K tv are in homes simply because 1080p benefits as well, so yea I'm a enthusiast it's just sad how ppl spend so much time here like if they love video games yet cry so damn much when it's time to move on... video games have never been a cheap entertainment.. but we aren't at the least informed well enough with a long enough time frame to start saving up..
It's for the hardcore fans. They said it repeatedly. Hardcore fans probably already have a 4K TV or will get one just for the XBO.X, just look at r/XboxOne.
Oh please... the "omg devs will be held back argument" Plenty devs have stated they will use the power to the fullest... the only ppl that do the holding back is ppl like you, the ones that feel like everyone should wait because you are not ready..
I'm talking about cars in the sense of affordability... not technology holding other cars back or anything like that..
We all knew ms and Sony was working on a 4K console for quite some time and 4K tv's have had some major deals since then... if you couldn't get one I'm sorry and I'm not trying to belittle you on that fact, I just don't want ms and Sony to not focus on 4K just because you and others are not ready and are happy with 1080
The x1x is not a Lamborghini. It's more like a muscle car. Pcs are the fast cars. You people keep playing this console up to be something it isn't.
That's why the pc player base is laughing at it. Because of fanboys like you.
The PS4 atleast has a reason to be picked up. Same with the switch. They have exclusive games.
Meanwhile any MS game I can play on my pc with BETTER performance and BETTER graphics. So what's the point? The controller? I have one already and I use it on my pc while using my tv.
"Considering not everyone has a 4K TV...what's the point on Sony or Microsoft focusing on 4K"
What's the point of Sony investing in PSVR if they are only able to so far sell to 2% of its users. 20% of all PS4 sales are attributed to the PS4 Pro, so there is a lot more demand for that then there is for PSVR. Microsoft took a gamble years ago with Xbox Live and most people didn't have broadband internet, now look. Electronic retailes have way more 4K sets on display than 1080p. 4K is fast approaching whether you like it or not.
"I'd rather see them focus on the 1080/60fps so it's the standard for next gen regardless of the game or genre."
I would too but it looks like Nintendo of all companies with its least powerful hardware are the only ones who seem to take gameplay over graphics more seriously. They have more 60fps games because they know how much better gaming is at 60fps. But the console industry pushes graphics, thats why companies like Insomniac went away from 60fps and back to 30fps. Console gamers want pretty graphics over controller response.
Sony sells 4k tv's
So sony has a reason :)
But Sony didn't oversell it like MS
More to your point, i think devs need to start focusing on the evolution of games in all facets, not just resolution. Tbh, a mass majority of current gen games are identical to last gen games in terms of gameplay and innovation. Most major AAAs still use the same conventions and gameplay tropes that they did in the PS2 era. When loot boxes become the biggest gaming innovation of the generation we have a problem.
I do like pretty things, don't get me wrong, i like high resolution, it's crispy, but perhaps developers can do more. Advancements in storytelling like in TLoU and the creative courage to release a game that is basically a super accessible engine to create (Dreams) is a good start. Obviously a game like Journey was a big creative leap, but i'd also like to see new and intuitive ways to interact with a game, innovations on combat, control schemes, boss design, and level design. Many of these old gameplay formulas were designed out of necessity due to the limited hardware, and now we are just getting prettier versions of the games we used to. There is a definite place for conventional shooters, racers, platformers, and by the numbers sanbox/open world games but it shouldn't 99:1 old school design:innovative design. I think games like Dreams, Absolver, and A Way Out do make a righteous attempt at innovation all in different ways, but we need more.
"a lot of the big games won't be "true" native 4K"
Please name one that isn't Anthem(a game that is still in development)
And don't say AC: Origins, because while it is Dynamic 4K, It will run at Native 4K most if not all the time. Because Ubisoft chose to not take advantage of the hardware.
"I spoke to a developer from Ubisoft working on that game and inquired about the version parity between PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. He told me that Assassin's Creed Origins will be 4K at 30 FPS on both the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, which I found a little confusing. If the PS4 Pro can handle 4K 30, how is Assassin's Creed Origins utilizing the Xbox One X's additional overhead? It isn't, apparently.
The developer told me that both versions use dynamic resolution scaling to maintain frame rate stability, so more intense scenes might see the 4K resolution drop below momentarily to keep the game running smoothly. He said that the Xbox One X version's resolution would most likely drop below True 4K far less often, and perhaps not at all when compared to the PS4 Pro, but also that the differences would be "imperceptible to the human eye.""
In reality, most AAA games will run at Native 4K and none for the PS4 Pro Only exception is Anthem for obvious reasons and that's not even set in stone yet, game is still a year out, (PS4 Pro version will probably be 1080p otherwise it wouldn't be able to handle tbese graphics). And Destiny 2 because Bungie is apparently not going take advantage of the XBO.X
Microsoft is the most pretentious, lying company. It isn't a true 4K console. It's a more powerful PS4 Pro.
You win the Internet today.
Microsoft needs to stop with this "true 4K" bs. Honestly, it holds no water after E3. AC Origins running dynamic resolution, multiple games already running/targeting checkerboard 4K and their own definition of 4K Ultra HD aka "true 4K" includes Dynamic resolution and checkerboard resolution. They literally label their games 4K Ultra HD instead of native 4K bc their definition of 4K Ultra HD is an umbrella that includes checkerboard and dynamic so they can make ppl think every game is running native when in fact many are not. It's appalling considering how much garbage they talked about Pro not being "true 4K" bc it uses checkerboard and dynamic.
Before e3 ppl like Crap Gamer were going around telling ppl Scorpio would basically run every game at native 4K 60fps, but after e3 the sentiment is "at least xboneX will hit native 4K 30 more often than Pro". Goal posts..
It was somewhat classless how Microsoft bragged and put down Sony/Pro before e3, but if they really had a console that could run everything native 4K (despite Cerny claiming u need 8tf, not 6, to do so) then u could at least understand the bravado. But man, now it just sounds so cringe and like such bs when they say it.
What's the point of 1440p at $400? (PS4 Pro)
You get what you pay for. If you want true 4K, you need to buy a $1000+ PC.
It is definitely the best 4K console for sure by looking at Forza 7 on Digital Foundry`s rundown it definitely is a techncial masterpiece.
I was reading more stuff about versions of games in comparison it definitely looks like Xbox One X is gonna be having vastly superior details in multiplatform games on console.
Currently the checkerboarding stuff for third party as of course been underwhelming but any one taking shots early saying games will look the same on ps4 pro.
Its best to stop now before being embarrassed.
'it definitely is a techncial masterpiece' lol did you see the comparison between 3 year old Driveclub and Forza 7? Oh wait, yeah you definitely were there at that article a few days ago and defending Forza's embarrassment at almost getting shown up by Driveclub especially when weather was involved.
Lol. Got em.
I never commented in the article about Driveclub vs Forza 7 article.
Driveclub is a game that has 12 cars only on track and runs at 30 fps.
There focus on weather effects is the only shot against Forza 7. Forza 7 though has improved its weather system greatly.
"The Nurburgring is the host circuit for demonstrating both technologies in the E3 demo, where a grey, overcast day turns into a fierce thunderstorm, before subsiding into a clear skies sunset, the track illuminated by floodlights. Everything we'd want from dynamic weather is here in terms of effects, but also with water accumulation and some beautiful reflections in the puddles - check out the end of the gameplay footage to see this in full effect."
Forza 7 has 24 cars on the track,Dynamic weather (not resolution), Dynamic lighting Day and night transitions during the race at native 4K 60 FPS.
Its not really a comparison at this point.
Driveclub doesnt even come close.
HAhahahahahhaha you ps4 fanboys really are f**king delusional. Thinking Driveclub looks better than forza 7. Yoooo yall are messed up in the head. Man forza 6 looks better than Driveclub lmao.
@Zeref Now you are just a Xbox fanboy if you keep saying like that. That's not good, buddy.
when are they making drive club 2?
"Its best to stop now before being embarrassed"
You should actually listen to your own words.
Nah Kionic is more like lower mid card, not world heavyweight championship level like Rookie (who I thought was awesome btw and an inspiration at how relentless he was).
And for comparison purposes, Septic and Moldybread are at Upper Card fighting for number 1 contender status, Death is at Upper midcard, Belking and Mariahelfutura are at legendary status, and the majority like wonderfulmonkeyman, kalebninja and rashid sayed and the random trolls like rlow1 etc are jobbers.
Im not foolish enough to concede that there will be no difference with Xbox One X versions.
Because that would draw red flag immediately with checker boarded games and why they dont show differences on a system that should definitely show differences.
For a console that's $100 more, I would certainly hope so. You kids are so desperate to win a non-existent argument. It's truly pathetic.. I hope someone that has a 1080ti is outperforming my 1070 in 4k games in terms of graphical detail, considering my card is much cheaper.
yes it's 100 more because it has more memory a 4k drive and its more powerful than any console before it.
A technical masterpiece who's requirement is a 1050ti?
Is your head working?
It's a RACING GAME.
Forza 7 will not run at 4k 60 fps on a 1050 ti.
Recommended doesn't mean 4K.
This comment section is a cesspool of corporate cheerleaders trolling one another's favorite electronic toy of choice. Keep up the great work, N4G users!
This site is a joke
It's pretty sad because all these dudes ever talk about exclusive this and power that but I find it hard to figure out when they actually play them? Spend way more time fanboying than actually playing the games they're fanboying over.
Maybe trolling is their mode of gaming. They see the agree/disagrees and use them to score their points 😏😉😏
True 4K only in certain games and also using the weak checkerboard rendering that the weak not true 4k PS4 pro uses.
First of all those games that aren't yet true 4K aren't close to finish yet. So when those games release then we can talk about them but for now is just not worth it.
Lmao, and since when has a game especially 3rd party ever actually improve at launch compared to their first showing? Anthem was a vertical slice meant to look better than what the actual game will be like. Downgrades will be the norm.
Yeah, devs implement a not so easy to implement checkerboard rendering solution because it might not be needed. Makes total sense!
Dude origins is one of them and releases in oct that's pretty much done and isn't going to change
only in certain games? You mean all the 50+ games they showed - 1?
AC:origins is Dynamic 4K, only because Ubisoft chose not to take advantage of the hardware. It will run native 4K most if not all the time.
"He told me that Assassin's Creed Origins will be 4K at 30 FPS on both the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, which I found a little confusing. If the PS4 Pro can handle 4K 30, how is Assassin's Creed Origins utilizing the Xbox One X's additional overhead? It isn't, apparently.
The developer told me that both versions use dynamic resolution scaling to maintain frame rate stability, so more intense scenes might see the 4K resolution drop below momentarily to keep the game running smoothly. He said that the Xbox One X version's resolution would most likely drop below True 4K far less often, and perhaps not at all when compared to the PS4 Pro""
So you can take that one off your list. And Anthem is a game with a year of development time left, but i'll give you that one.
Please name more than 3 games that are not True 4K.
But I remember MS didn't want to use Checkboarding back in 2016. Now, Xbox One X and PS4 Pro are both using it.
Dude origins isn't the only one there's been quite a few articles right here on n4g talking about them so go have a look
And that is why I am buying an X. I want to play the best looking multi plats on the best console. It was PS4, now it will be the X.
If you can afford all this console flip flopping you can surely afford a PC that obliterates the " best looking console multi plats."
I got one. It's an absolute beast.
It's for my 3D work and Oculus :)
My living room is set up for console gaming.
Got the PS4, X1day one and switch connected up.
I'm picking up a 4K TV at Christmas so obviously I want the best box connected to it and that is going to be the X. I'll keep the PS4 for all those tasty exclusives!
Got all based covered.
Can't argue with ya 2 cents. . All bases covered.
what if he doesn't want a PC? Ever thought of that?
Console has beaten PC in most multiplat games this past year. Modern Warfare Remaster has No One on steam. Or it takes 10+ minutes to get in a game. Where as on X1/ps4 it takes seconds to get into a game. PC is only good now for RTS, Moba, mmo, and Blizzard games. FPS is now home on consoles. Heck I bet Destiny 2 will be big on PC for about 3-4 months then die off unlike console versions
I respect your opinion I own both pro and og x1 but seeing how little used my og x1 became and most my friends being on ps4 in not upgrading to x1x especially since I don't care about games looking a little to moderately better. I play games to have fun not worry about what resolution it runs at which most gamers go by
If I had a Pro and my main circle of multiplayer mates were also on PS, that is exactly what I would do to.
It's all good!
Strange. I though you guys preached for over 3 years that gameplay was way more important than resolution.
Hypocrisy doesn't change.
Show me please.
I can wait as long as it takes, because you won't ever find me saying that.
Stop generalising people to fit your agenda. I'm not you guys.
Yep same here. Xbox One X day one.
$100 dollars more than PS4P for 50% more power. Giddy-up !!
50% more power? In what world are you living in?
Yeh that's the world we live in remember all the ps4 is 50 % is more powerful the the xbox posts bullshit bet you didn't say anything about that?